The sad thing is I don't think he's even lost the dressing room. The players are trying out there, they are just being set up to fail.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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No, nor have I said that.
I'd be interested to know where you think this squad should be finishing if you don't think it's any good?
Ten Hag is just a hopeless manager. Not only did he waste our fortune to buy a bunch of non-United quality players at ridiculous price, his tactic and his in-game management has been a total disaster. There is no other word for it.
We are not going to win City with Ten Hag, might as well let him go now. I think there could be a better chance of us winning the cup with a transition manager rather than with Ten Hag whom nobody including players and fans trust nor respect
He plays 4-2-3-1 with Bayern. Tuchel will play whatever formation suits the squad
How is there a lack of options?
Mourinho started that shit. They both realised how stupidly easy the fanbase was to rule up and used it to their advantage. Fair play to them.
I'm getting tired of saying it, but we have no plan of attack. Our 'plan' is to win possession high up but our press is shambolic. The frontline go all the way forward to the box without the backline following, leaving the midfield completely open. And since we don't commit everyone to the press it gets broken every time.
Our build up is even more nonsense. When Onana has the ball we lump in forward to Hojlund who isn't good in the air, leading to possession loss. The few times we don't hoof it, our midfielders and FBs/wingers do not provide any movement to make space and break the press.
How has a manager not even tried to address this for an entire season is beyond me. I don't understand it. I'm a rando in front of a computer and even I see it. Why can't EtH?
Our build up is even more nonsense. When Onana has the ball we lump in forward to Hojlund who isn't good in the air, leading to possession loss. The few times we don't hoof it, our midfielders and FBs/wingers do not provide any movement to make space and break the press.
How has a manager not even tried to address this for an entire season is beyond me. I don't understand it. I'm a rando in front of a computer and even I see it. Why can't EtH?
I think in a one off game these players could beat anyone with a good manager. Worst case scenario just survive until penalties.
I think we should axe him now. I'm very unhappy with the idea of just throwing the FA Cup away because we want to save a bit of cash.
Yikes that’s terrifying
Sad thing about today it’s not even a surprising score. The bar is so low now its beyond sad
I've been of the opinion for months that it was pointless to change manager at this stage. So we might as well just wait until June to sack him.
But things are so bad I do wonder if an interim would give everyone a lift as team morale seems to be in the shitter.
But things are so bad I do wonder if an interim would give everyone a lift as team morale seems to be in the shitter.
I don't know how anyone can say he still has the dressing room with some of the behaviour of our players this season. They do not respect his authority.
Well this match is proof they can't force him. Also, there are always options. They need to just sack him and hire someone.
That would include all of Ten Hags signings.
Exactly he's nowhere near lost the dressing room yet this team performs like an outfit that has.
Tried Amad upfront instead of Hojlund for 30 minutes...which should keep the crowd happy that bash EtH for not playing Amad.
Not much a manager can do if the team gives away a penalty in the last 10 mins every match...braindead players doing braindead things.
Not much a manager can do if the team gives away a penalty in the last 10 mins every match...braindead players doing braindead things.
Three players, mate. One of those just liked tweets. The rest have been thoroughly professional doing what he asks whilst he throws them under the bus.
Neither of Fergie, Pep or Klopp could have beaten Burnley with all those injuries, horrible players and structure!Equally matched… with Burnley..
What have we become?
I remember the excuse being used here even back in the Moyes and LVG days, although probably not as much as during Mourinho vs Pogba/Shaw/Martial and then later in the Ole/Rangnick season
I don't understand the lack of quality options as a reason to keep him. There is no quality at all in Ten Hag any replacement is an improvement.
He is the last manager you could use as an argument that there are no better options out there
He hasn't lost the dressing room. The players are actually trying and fighting. He's just shit and the players are limited, and he's seemingly incapable of adapting/adjusting to make the most of the tools available to him - which, is a bare minimum requirement at this level.
I honestly wanted him to succeed, but he's so stubborn it's unreal. We produce the same performance week in, week out.
I'm honestly bored of talking about it at this point. His formation this season doesn't work for these players, and he won't change. So, there's only one outcome.
I'm honestly bored of talking about it at this point. His formation this season doesn't work for these players, and he won't change. So, there's only one outcome.
Why a disgrace?
He got booed for subbing Mainoo off and then got booed at full time. I hope INEOS were watching and listening.
Why always only Man Utd keep their manager until too late and too obvious that the manager need to get sacked? If we changed the manager earlier in the season we could still get Top 4. It was the same under Arnold and now no difference under SJR. Could we be more decisive? It was obvious that ETH need to get sacked months ago. It was the same with Ole case previously.
Manchester United boss Erik ten Hag speaking to Sky Sports:
"Strong start to the game. Loads of chances then we lost in control in second part of first half. Burnley came back in the game and had some chances. Second half was all ours and we are in a winning position and we give the game away at the end.
"Very frustrated, shouldn't happen. You put yourself in difficult positions. Over many phases of the game we did very good so at the end we have to take the three points and the clean sheet. We gave it away again at the end.
"We put ourselves in a winning position by playing some good football - creating loads of chances and then to give it away in the end in the final minutes it's so unnecessary."
Is that down to bad luck or mentality? "Both - bad luck and we are not lucky with the refereeing in recent weeks. We've conceded so many penalties, this one is justified but other ones. If you make [Aaron] Wan-Bissaka in the final a penalty then what is this [Alejandro Garnacho penalty claim]. Where is the consistency?
"We have to look in the mirror. We made a mistake, but you take responsibility and they should understand what it means for a team and for a manager."
"Strong start to the game. Loads of chances then we lost in control in second part of first half. Burnley came back in the game and had some chances. Second half was all ours and we are in a winning position and we give the game away at the end.
"Very frustrated, shouldn't happen. You put yourself in difficult positions. Over many phases of the game we did very good so at the end we have to take the three points and the clean sheet. We gave it away again at the end.
"We put ourselves in a winning position by playing some good football - creating loads of chances and then to give it away in the end in the final minutes it's so unnecessary."
Is that down to bad luck or mentality? "Both - bad luck and we are not lucky with the refereeing in recent weeks. We've conceded so many penalties, this one is justified but other ones. If you make [Aaron] Wan-Bissaka in the final a penalty then what is this [Alejandro Garnacho penalty claim]. Where is the consistency?
"We have to look in the mirror. We made a mistake, but you take responsibility and they should understand what it means for a team and for a manager."
Great post, that's exactly what I see too. It's so basic.
I just don't see why it's not worth a shot. We are basically handing City the FA Cup at this rate. At least with an interim there's hope that we'll put up a fight. We could actually end this abomination of a season on a high.
Yeah you may be right. But it really got worse under Rangnick imo.
So will this be a load more journos banned who dare to question what he is doing? His press conference will be held in a broom cupboard soon.
CL next year is gone (not mathematically, but whatever), so there's that.
As in: no point really.
But we are still in the FA Cup final - against City. Winning that one would be pretty sweet - for everyone involved, I'd imagine: fans, owners, sponsors.
And I personally believe the possibility of us beating City in the FA Cup final (they can't do the treble, thank feck, but they will probably do the double if we don't beat them) is non-existent under ETH.
So, yeah.
Sack him now (take the hit financially), gamble on an interim - but for the love of Satan, do not consider that interim as anything beyond an...interim.
Mourinho only targeted certain players, still bad. Unlike Ragnick he knew how to spin it, because there was a kernal of truth to them.
They are definitely still trying.
Not mad on an interim this late in the season. But feck it, what's to lose. At least there's some kind of chance of beating City in the final with one.
Quality control
The problem is the fanbase is just of a really, really low quality. They need to be fed a narrative to actually make sense of this sport. Without the narrative they're clueless.
I’d honestly take Jose for a few matches at this point. He would figure out a setup that doesn’t lead 49 yard spaces at least.
This season beginning from our pre-planning/pre-season has been absolutely horrific. This is a manager completely out of his depth in many facets of the game where the club is also weak at. The new off-the-pitch appointments should help dramatically I'm just not sure he should be staying. The only thing saving him is the seemingly lack of other candidates.
We need 4 points in our last 4 games to match the Ole/Rangnick season. With Palace away, Arsenal at home, Newcastle at home and Brighton away. There's quite a strong chance this ends up being our worst season in PL history (we also topped our CL group that season before going out against Atletico).
Pretty much. Might as well try beat City in the cup final. Once it's not fecking McClaren. This is just getting ridiculous.
The only players who could get a tune out of this system would be a prime Kante or Essien (maybe) as they I assume could just about cover enough ground.
I assume that’s why he brought in Amrabat but at a higher level technically than international football the guy is found wanting. Then gets played as a wing back regardless or not at all
It’s just an absolute disaster the space left in front of the defence. Then the players like Casemiro get the blame.
Like you said put peak Casemiro in the same situation and wish him luck he’d need it.
EtH is lucky the Glazers are so unpopular and the fanbase gave up ages ago because he should have been gone 6-months ago