Hasn’t Arteta been at Arsenal for 3 years?So far so good, but Arteta's really raised the bar for him now. City's resources are no longer an excuse for us.
So are you willing to give ETH 3 yrs too?So far so good, but Arteta's really raised the bar for him now. City's resources are no longer an excuse for us.
Given his own coaching path included a stint with Bayern 2 and his time at Ajax where Jong is a fairly big concern, I think he puts a lot of stock of the internal development pathways.Erik ten Hag getting involved with the u21/reserves is exactly what you want your head coach to do. Because the u21s/reserves are just one step away from first team football, and having the first team head coach guiding the players and coaching staff at that level, can only benefit the young hopefuls who would be better prepared in their understanding of the principles of the head coach at first team level.
Top head..This guy truly is bald. What a coach. What a manager. What a head.
Almost like you are answering your own question. Murtough rallied behind the club getting Ragnick, a footballing hierarchical figure who had minimal first team management experience at the time, that is a poor business decision when the club needed top four. It was cited that Murtoughs previous relations with Ragnick is the reason why his hiring materialised. Nothing more needs to be explained on this basis as Ralf is undoubtedly and statistically the worst manager to have coached United in the clubs recent history. Murtough was said to be a keen supporter of Solskjaer when the momentum for his management criteria was heading south, his lack of discernment is cause for concern. The scatter gun approach United had this summer was also reflective of Murtough's dilligence. Would you see City or Madrid linked with Arnatouvic ? There was absolutely no defined strategy.Wait what's wrong with Murtough? These are the people who appointed ETH for god sake, ETH even insulted how the club has been run in his interview and they obviously agreed with him. The worse you can say about Murtough is that he delegates a lot of DoF responsibility to the manager, transfer targets etc, but also this is true before a lot of the shakeup in scouting etc which has come off his own back and it looks to be pretty well regarded.
Look at it this way as well, it wasn't Murtough who spent months chasing De Jong was it, once we moved on to realistic transfers they happened quickly, even if it meant overpaying they got exactly what ETH wanted.
Yeah I am praying the owners allow him to carry on this rebuild rather than feel the need to put their own stamp on that side of thingsI hope who ever takes over would let ETH continue to do his job and even back him more, he has the right ideas and also the tools to implement it. It would be a shame if a Tuchel situation occurs, good thing for ETH he is viewed with high esteem among the fan base, hopefully that would count for something.
Long way round the corner by looks of itOh please, it's arsenal. The 3-5 game winless streak is just around the corner.
ETHs statements above literally show murtough in a good lightHe's brilliant, the people that proceed him in Murtough and Arnold are where the issues are. If United get competent individuals across the board in the hierarchy it will be brilliant. There's optimism a sale will see the end of Murtough. ETH alongside a very dilligent DOF will be fantastic. City have shown that the structure of the club is more important than just the money. Arsenal are showing this aswell with Arteta / Edu, Pep / Tixi.
More investment around youth prospects relatively unknown will be brilliant. Not just flavour of the month signings similar to the strategy Chelsea are doing it doesn't build a cohesive team.
Love him and his shiny bald head. I refer to him as Crystal Maze in my house for anybody who gets the reference.This guy truly is bald. What a coach. What a manager. What a head.
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The best ever presenter and used to scare the contestants by telling them if they aren't out on time this bolt stays firmly in the doorLove him and his shiny bald head. I refer to him as Crystal Maze in my house for anybody who gets the reference.
That’s a lot of words just to say that you know feck allAlmost like you are answering your own question. Murtough rallied behind the club getting Rangnick, a footballing hierarchical figure who had minimal first team management experience at the time, that is a poor business decision when the club needed top four. It was cited that Murtoughs previous relations with Rangnick is the reason why his hiring materialised. Nothing more needs to be explained on this basis as Ralf is undoubtedly and statistically the worst manager to have coached United in the clubs recent history. Murtough was said to be a keen supporter of Solskjaer when the momentum for his management criteria was heading south, his lack of discernment is cause for concern. The scatter gun approach United had this summer was also reflective of Murtough's dilligence. Would you see City or Madrid linked with Arnatouvic ? There was absolutely no defined strategy.
The success of ETH is not reflective on Murtough, all things considered the most prominent choices United had for an appointment was Poch who had a dismal period at PSG or ETH who had renown from his time at Ajax. That's two choices of managers not like trying to predict the next breakthrough in the S&P500, stop making out like Murtough picked ETH with some significant wisdom that was not perceivable amongst public perception. ETH was the first choice among many which is well known.
One of the biggest elements that was a strong contributing factor in the failure of managers over the last decade, has been the structure of the club with the key problem being the manager having too much influence. Even if it works periodically as it did with Solskjaer this approach is not sustainable in the long run because the manager cannot guarantee his stay beyond the tide of results (see the issue of recouping the values of Maguire / AWB). The reason why there's been so much deadwood in the squad is a direct result of this very behaviour.
I've seen lots of posts about Murtough both throughout summer and within this season and none of them show any real substance behind anything he's involved with. The re-shaping of the scouting infrastructure cannot be used as a yard stick because United are yet to see the fruit of it.
Our game in hand is Palace away, right? Or Leeds at Old Trafford?Win our game in hand and we're 3rd, one point ahead of 4th and five points ahead of 5th.
At the start of the season I'd have snapped your hand off if you'd offered me that position by New Year's Day.
Great insightThat’s a lot of words just to say that you know feck all
You’ve not provided a single piece of evidence for your assertion of somebodies incompetence. The onus of evidence is very much on you (particularly given the successful academy overhaul under Murtough’s lead, the creation of a strong women’s team under Murtough’s lead, the start under this manager hired under Murtough’s lead)Great insight
I think it's Leeds because the Palace game was in the week that was cancelled for all teams.Our game in hand is Palace away, right? Or Leeds at Old Trafford?
Plus we’re still in all competitions. Don’t think anyone expected this to be fair.Win our game in hand and we're 3rd, one point ahead of 4th and five points ahead of 5th.
At the start of the season I'd have snapped your hand off if you'd offered me that position by New Year's Day.
You've not provided a single piece of evidence in your assertion to highlight that Murtough isn't incompetent. Successful academy overhaul, who have United signed and successfully implemented into the first team as a result of this development ? Please share articles and reputable sources who can support this claim. I've already covered the management selection the criteria is nothing to write home about.You’ve not provided a single piece of evidence for your assertion of somebodies incompetence. The onus of evidence is very much on you (particularly given the successful academy overhaul under Murtough’s lead, the creation of a strong women’s team under Murtough’s lead, the start under this manager hired under Murtough’s lead)
So again you have nothing? You’re really showing your arse on this point.You've not provided a single piece of evidence in your assertion to highlight that Murtough isn't incompetent. Successful academy overhaul, who have United signed and successfully implemented into the first team as a result of this development ? I've already covered the management selection the criteria is nothing to write home about.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/2979237/2021/11/26/rangnick-to-manchester-united-how-the-deal-emerged-from-first-phone-call-to-make-up-of-backroom-staff/?amp=1
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...n=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target
"He was our number one candidate for interim manager, reflecting the invaluable leadership and technical skills he will bring from almost four decades of experience in management and coaching.
“Everyone at the club is looking forward to working with him during the season ahead, and then for a further two years in his advisory role".
More critique in the media.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/61632964.amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/3485344/2022/08/08/manchester-united-erik-ten-hag-marko-arnautovic/?amp=1
Kind of feel the same. Everyone is waiting for them to start dropping points, but they really don’t seem like doing so any time soon!Long way round the corner by looks of it
Ffs, how many times do people need to be told we didn't go for him for more than just footballing reasons and even just for that, it should be a hell no.I would still go back for Arnautovich btw....I'm still pissed fans broke this deal.
There's plenty of context, you have made baseless opinions with nothing to substantiate your judgements something that is all to familiar when it comes to John Murtough. I have no agenda against the DOF, but how anyone who is capable of thinking critically cannot see the holes in many of his decisions is beyond ridiculous. When new owners transition after an acquisition there's typically a shake up in the hierarchy which is the norm. Can anyone say with reasonable evidence and a sound basis of logic that if Murtough leaves his role it's a 'loss' to United. I certainly don't believe that to the case.So again you have nothing? You’re really showing your arse on this point.
You’ve only got one thing that we can say is accurate here, that new owners would likely replace him. The rest is totally unsubstantiated based entirely on an agenda.There's plenty of context, you have made baseless opinions with nothing to substantiate your judgements something that is all to familiar when it comes to John Murtough. I have no agenda against the DOF, but how anyone who is capable of thinking critically cannot see the holes in many of his decisions is beyond ridiculous. When new owners transition after an acquisition there's typically a shake up in the hierarchy which is the norm. Can anyone say with reasonable evidence and a sound basis of logic that if Murtough leaves his role it's a 'loss' to United. I certainly don't believe that to the case.
Which isn't true I've provided context for Ragnick, the scattergun summer approach and Murtough's willingness to continue with Ole beyond his sell by date. All of which can be found online being covered through a multitude of sources.You’ve only got one thing that we can say is accurate here, that new owners would likely replace him. The rest is totally unsubstantiated based entirely on an agenda.
I’m more than happy to say I don’t know how competent he is, but I’m not the one casting aspersions. The burden is on you and you’ve completely failed to provide anything beyond “but Rangnick!” Which plenty of us thought was a shrewd move at the time, however badly it went and Ralf was as a direct result deservedly shown the door.
The summer was a scattergun approach? How so?Which isn't true I've provided context for Rangnick, the scattergun summer approach and Murtough's willingness to continue with Ole beyond his sell by date. All of which can be found online being covered through a multitude of sources.
When you consider who Murtough is the successor of United are not in a position to yield any results other than being positive when it comes to the executive level of leadership. A competent DOF does not exude such poor decisions in planning and execution. If Murtough turns it around in 3-5 years time than fair enough but as it stands he's shown himself incompetent.
Because he doesn’t like the man he’s never met or has any clue about the ability of, so he must be dreadful and incompetent. Despite all the evidence to the contrary which is just fake news.The summer was a scattergun approach? How so?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sk...ted-managers-intense-first-week-of-pre-seasonThe summer was a scattergun approach? How so?
This proves nothing. We were in for Casemiro for a very long time, it just came to light in the media late on, so to us it seemed random. I’m pretty sure Fred himself said he knew about it for a long time but was obviously not allowed to say anything.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sk...ted-managers-intense-first-week-of-pre-season
"Ten Hag ideally wants the bulk of United's transfer business completed before the squad flies out for their pre-season tour on July 8".
https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/11/ques...f-john-murtough-over-man-utd-window-17169090/
"United’s approach in the transfer market is looking increasingly more chaotic as the deadline approaches and, according to The Telegraph, that is prompting questions to be asked of Murtough".
Hindsight plays down how much of the summer business was in disarray with target selection, the times the signings materialised and when you consider the period of the Brighton / Brentford results within that space the club was linked to FDJ, Rabiot and Casemiro it exemplifies poor planning. So much of our success this season is on how astute ETH is as a manager. I don't think for a second that sheds any light on his superiors.
Hm, do you know anything about Arnold and Murtaugh than what is commonly known (known, not opined)?He's brilliant, the people that proceed him in Murtough and Arnold are where the issues are. If United get competent individuals across the board in the hierarchy it will be brilliant. There's optimism a sale will see the end of Murtough. ETH alongside a very dilligent DOF will be fantastic. City have shown that the structure of the club is more important than just the money. Arsenal are showing this aswell with Arteta / Edu, Pep / Tixi.
More investment around youth prospects relatively unknown will be brilliant. Not just flavour of the month signings similar to the strategy Chelsea are doing it doesn't build a cohesive team.
