LVG will be gone in the summer
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Would be stupidity if he gets you 4th. Unless Pep expresses a real interest. Mourinho you could have now so doubt he'll be considered if LvG does finish 4th.LVG will be gone in the summer
Poisoned chalice really
It always finishes around 6th. (Apart from 2013-14). Nothing added in the summer suggested it would do any better.
The likes of Mingolet, 4 CBs they have, Moreno,Milner,Lucas,Lallana etc don't exactly scream top 4.
He has a hell of a job.
11 games and 15 points for Klopp. They're shit.
Finding out how tough it is to beat teams who sit back in this league, how tough the mid table and bottom teams are.
Finding out how tough it is to beat teams who sit back in this league, how tough the mid table and bottom teams are.
Their transfer committee is a disaster. Benteke looks like another was of over £30m. Not because he's a bad player but because he simply doesn't fit their system. That's £70m on stickers that will not be at the club for long.
Sorry, this bit ruined the post.
The only reason Liverpool came 2nd was Suarez. No surprise he leaves and they're back to being shit.
Obviously quality coaching is hugely important, but super stars win leagues.
Obviously quality coaching is hugely important, but super stars win leagues.
Hope they're still shit in 3 weeks.
Silver lining and all.
Great to see them struggling. In the long term he will be a success. The gegenpress probably doesn't work in the PL where teams are a bit more direct. He will need to find another way of playing. He will manage that I expect.
It's impossibly to really judge him until he's had a few transfer windows. Part of what made him such a great manager at Dortmund was his ability to spot bargains. He built a wonderful team without spending much money at all. If he starts that shite again at Liverpool things might get a bit shit
It's impossibly to really judge him until he's had a few transfer windows. Part of what made him such a great manager at Dortmund was his ability to spot bargains. He built a wonderful team without spending much money at all. If he starts that shite again at Liverpool things might get a bit shit
Unfortunately, I think we've got the style Klopp likes to play against.
They'll give us the ball, let us have the ball and counter the shit out of us. I really hope Schneiderlin plays.
Remember last month when klopp could instil his philosophy in a matter of days and van gaal couldn't do it in 12 months?
Maybe now people will be more wary of easy media narratives
Maybe now people will be more wary of easy media narratives
Its funny isn't it, turn Dortmund from a struggling ex giant of German football just out of bankruptcy into a European superpower...yup he's a fraud..
Van Gaal is a fraud too, so at least there is consistency
Daft to write him off at this stage. Their squad is immensely average at the moment, and in serious need of numerous changes. Considering one of the strongest aspects of Klopp's management at Dortmund was his ability to make excellent signings for considerably small amounts of money, you'd assume that they're likely to improve. Of course, there's no guarantee he will do that, since Liverpool seem to have been afflicted with the curse of wasting large sums of money in recent years, but you'd expect him to be a more likely candidate to make some shrewd signings that their last few managers.
He's managed to do very well against the top teams in the league, with his victories against City and Leicester. Been a lot worse against the mid-table sides though, which would be a concern for Liverpool fans. He could potentially be someone who produces an inconsistent side; one that can look brilliant one week, but slips up with a poor result the next.
He's managed to do very well against the top teams in the league, with his victories against City and Leicester. Been a lot worse against the mid-table sides though, which would be a concern for Liverpool fans. He could potentially be someone who produces an inconsistent side; one that can look brilliant one week, but slips up with a poor result the next.
I still think that's a bit revisionist. Sturridge had an excellent season, and looked like an excellent striker. Managed to have a year where he mostly avoided injuries, which hasn't been the case since. Henderson had developed into a decent player, and Gerrard had his last good season with the club. With Sterling looking like a promising talent, they were actually quite an entertaining attacking side when on form. Granted, Suarez was the focal point by a considerable distance, and they wouldn't have been anywhere near as good without him, but it was still a very good side in an attacking sense, albeit one with some major defensive weaknesses.
The reason they've regressed since then, besides the loss of Suarez, has probably been down to Sturridge's inability to remain fit, Gerrard having a poor season (last year), the loss of Sterling, and some woeful signings like Balotelli who have failed to add anything to their side.
Liverpool usually feck up against crap sides. So we should in theory beat them comfortably.
Some of the excuses being made for them here are laughable.
I am genuinely surprised at how much flak Benteke has been getting on Rawk, with most complaints being about how he seems to be a limited target man kind of striker. I've not watched any Pool games but I did watch a few Villa games, and he always looked to be a bit more than a big lump for them.
Liverpool are shite. This is no shock.
Klopp's Dortmund team was levels above.
Klopp's Dortmund team was levels above.
Didn't want him before we signed him (you can visit the Benteke page) and even less reason to want to keep him. I thought we were always playing with 10 men when Lambert or Balotelli started for us but now it seems we have repeated the process by paying an extra 32m for the privilege. He is beyond God awful. Just two minutes watching Match of the Day showed why. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Maybe he felt more comfortable at Villa, surrounded by zero expectations and vanilla players and General Huffball. Was never a fit for us, but he's not even doing the basics right - like getting into the box and hoping for the ball to come in. By not doing that he makes our wide players take extra touches looking for him, then turning and passing back or losing possession.
Just judging by the final scores, hasn't he scored plenty of important goals for your team this season?
He's certainly put a few important ones away but this model is not sustainable. We need a goalscorer (or even occasional goalscorer) that can play football properly, not a postbox that will come into effect for 1 minute of every 90, often causing formational fk ups for the rest of the 89. Ings and Origi being injured together has probably caused more pain than even Sturridge being out.
I seriously hope Chelsea are still interested, doubt they will be if they have eyes.
Martial would have been perfect for you.
Spot on. The criticism Benteke has been entirely warranted so far, he's scored a few big goals but overall his influence over 90 minutes is useless at best, harmful at worst.
He can't control a ball, move for the ball and now he can't even win a header. What's the point?
Harsh to call him a fraud. He really shouldn't be judged until after the summer window and he has bought his own players. Their injury situation isn't helping either.
The criticism for Benteke is harsh IMO. He's been shit, but Firmino and Coutinho have been awful lately. Every time I see Coutinho play he just wants to shoot from 35 yards.
The criticism for Benteke is harsh IMO. He's been shit, but Firmino and Coutinho have been awful lately. Every time I see Coutinho play he just wants to shoot from 35 yards.
Stevie Me infection maybe.
Don't forget Woodward & the owners. And all the journalists. And Ryan Giggs.
Too early to judge obviously, but he is such a clown and easy to laugh at. Is he doing the 'take a bow' session after every match? Win, draw or lose?
His all round game was never going to be great. He's a strong centre forward who gets you goals, which is a good thing, but that's where it ends for him. The issue is for him getting grief is the fee. He's not a 32 million pound striker.
At the same time it's convenient to blame him. Why is Liverpool's defence not peforming under klopp? We were all told that sakho was a great defender and he was a laughing stock against Watford.
Yet it's fine to call one of the most successful managers of his generation a fraud.
I always remember that post when they struggle. People were so quick to crown him as a success.
Benteke is a lazy donkey. If I was a Liverpool supporter, I would be annoyed to see a physically strong player like him getting outmuscled by weaker defenders. Also he marks himself out of any threatening positions by making sure he is in extreme close proximity of the defender. Definitely doesn't suit liverpool's play. He will score some goals which is fine if you have ambition of a mid table side.
My, how the goalposts so conveniently shift.He was never going to work miracles with them, the squad is rubbish. I will only start to worry when he's had a couple of transfer windows and if he gets hold of another Lewandowski/Reus level player.
People who complain about van Gaal but label Klopp as some sort of genius
The man finished 7th in his last season
I hope you realise I'm being sarcastic about him being a fraud!
Yep. But given LVG is called one I suppose calling Klopp one isn't nuts either.
No time to judge. Let's see where he is in 18 months. I hope he doesn't do as well as I fear he might.