I’d say at the time £95 million for Pogba was mind blowing and Klopp wasn’t wrong to say what he did, but since last summer and the Neymar deal, what Klopp said has to be viewed in a different light as the figures for players have doubled. £75 million is now the what would have been £35 million when Klopp made his comment. It’s not that hypocritical, the market has changed drastically.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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How do Southampton go from reporting Liverpool for tapping up to eventually selling the player to them?
I don't like Klopp anymore. Every manager that goes there drinks the Koolaid and starts coming out with delusional rubbish. I do like the fact he has a mini me though.
You do know Pogba was 89m right?
Very good post
Awesome
It is always a case of next season with them.
I'm flabbergasted at the disregard for 2 cups. Agreed that they are low priorities but insane for a club starved of success to ignore them.
Next year is their year
An absolute dwarf of a man doing a full u turn on something he got so self righteous about. Doesn't surprise me in the least, serial loser
You are including two players that haven't even trained for us let alone played, yet now, just 24 hours after the VVD announcement, it's OK to use that figure to berate Klopp/LFC with ? Oh dear.
All the top clubs use to the LC and even early rounds of the FAC, to blood youngsters or even full shadow squad teams. So it's no surprise if one or two get knocked out, it happens every season now. What has the difficulty of a draw got to do with anything ? Besides which we are at home to a struggling and clearly inferior Everton and it'd be a major upset if we failed to clear that hurdle. CL outsiders ? So what ? Though I think we probably are middling at worst on the bookies lists. A lot of people are giving us that Dark Horse chance.
Stagnation !?! Beyond comment .... it's that far from the truth and you'd struggle to find anyone to agree with you because no-one thinks we are stagnating. And I'd say (as more than a few United fans here seem to agree) that we will as likely finish above United as not. With half a season to go the battle is currently for 2nd to 6th not 4th alone.
You're right. It's currently 4th if scoring goals is the only criteria over 2017.
Can would be a squad player at best by next season so not sure why you think he'll be any loss at all - I've already stated on these boards I'm quite happy to see him go as I don't rate him. You've also conveniently forgotten to consider what recruitments could/will be made to account for Can and Coutinho's departure (assuming he leaves - 95% certain). The Echo thought we had £200m net to spend last Summer, even allowing for VVDs purchase we'll have plenty in the bank for this Summer which could be an awful lot more should Coutinho leave. How much his departure would affect us is worthy of a thread by itself - however we would still have a superb attack with Salah, Mane, Firmino, Lallana, whoever Sturridge's replacement is, and the ever improving Ox (and no, there isn't a chance in hell any of the other attackers would be let go no matter who came in for them).
Not sure the games he's played is in the slightest bit relevant. In fact it makes him as fresh as a daisy for the remaining half a season and CL campaign. We didn't refuse to break the bank, as you obviously know. We had to stall due to the 'leak' and Southampton's threat, not at all sure how that constitutes 'refusing'.
There is always a degree of 'might' with any signing. Look at Pogba to date, nowhere near his potential or even Juve form. On the other hand they could be even better, apropos Salah. Clearly LFC have a long term strategy in place, far better that than splashing out on players that don't meet the criteria set. In the meantime I'd hardly say we are doing badly.
Clearly under Klopp there was always a long-term plan in place - no matter how you like to try and spin it. If you are trying to implement a long term strategy then obviously short term will suffer to a degree as can be seen with our impotent attack. The defence is slowly coming together, as is the midfield with the Keita signing. Work remains to be done though to replace Hendo as a first team player, by next season.
Actually I don't think he said he'd deliver the title within 3 years at all though I know it's a popular myth on RC.
I said the FAC and LC aren't of any value in promoting a club's image any more, not that we wouldn't win them and give the fans a great day out. Do you actually believe anything bar the CL and PL have any true value to the top PL teams now ? FAC wins have done nothing for Arsenal, for example. As I said they are nice days out and the fans love it, but they have nothing but cosmetic value to the top clubs.
It comes as no surprise Alex that you have such a jaundiced and twisted view of past events and are trying to pour water on current optimism. It's the usual United/anti-LFC bias we can expect from you. I've no doubt that very few, even here on RC, would agree with your outlook and assessment. In the meantime the fear is palpable.
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Sssh. No common sense logic should be applied when Klopp is the subject of derision.
Southampton are the Jedi to Liverpool's storm trooper, "you will take this player for three times their worth".
You can't spin what he said as anything other than blatant hypocrisy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...a-signing-day-football-m-not-job-anymore.html
End of discussion for me
You're right, it was 4 years.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-years-and-describes-himself-as-a6687446.html
Then he should have kept his mouth shut really instead of pontificating and going back on what he said. Man is a moron
His whole post lost credibility though when he got the Pogba fee wrong.
Goodbye.
Religion lost again. You are mixing me up because I haven't mentioned Pogba's fee once in this thread. Apology accepted.
rafateria is on form. It's well documented what Klopp said but no he'll spin it like he wants to.
It's as if they get hurt if they don't praise and defend him at every opportunity.
Standard reply for somebody explicitly contradicted by serial loser Jurgen and his petty quotes. Here is 155m on two players later
I don't think ' I am pretty confident (he could deliver a title)' constitutes a promise. Obviously that interpretation is different on RC though. I'm sure Mourinho was confident too .. however for both of them that was pre-Pep and City blowing open the bank vault.
Keita cost £48m, not 70.
It's amazing the mental gymnastics some will employ to suggest that LFC aren't improving under Klopp. To the point where debating becomes pointless in the face of such staunch agenda. Trumpian stuff.
It's amazing the mental gymnastics some will employ to suggest that LFC aren't improving under Klopp. To the point where debating becomes pointless in the face of such staunch agenda. Trumpian stuff.
And 18 months later and an explosion in transfer fees which obviously can not be taken into account. In other news the earth is flat.
I don't need to spin it. It's how you interpret ' pretty confident'. I doubt in any court, bar the RC court of opinion, that that constitutes a 'promise' as it's usually depicted here.
rafateria is on form. It's well documented what Klopp said but no he'll spin it like he wants to.
It's as if they get hurt if they don't praise and defend him at every opportunity.
I meant quitting football part, Pogba fee and so on.
Oh yeah fees have gone bonkers so he's excused.
God forbid saying anything against him you're a man on a mission today.
He's just broken the world record for a defender. High fees or not he's the one who has set the newest standard. Sad hypocrite. Broke the record by the guts of 25 million (the other one being set in the current market)
Accept it and go argue his corner elsewhere. You're just wrong., emotions aside.
What on earth you on about? The poster you praised got the fee wrong. I was pointing out he lost credibility the moment he did.
Sorry mate, but I call bollox. City spent £50m on Stones the day after the Pogba deal, the market was already inflated. Real Madrid had spent same money (£85m) on Bale two years before. Pogba's transfer at the time was only incrementally higher than what had preceded for precociously talented midfielders (literally by £4m). Also Neymar-effect or whatever, the clubs' finances haven't actually changed that much in 18 months. So £75m for a CB is still a helluva lot of money that clubs don't generate any easier than 18 months ago.
At the time, Mourinho could clearly see it with his comment "Next year, the transfer record will break again and the Pogba money won't seem so much". Yet, Klopp was either being thick and couldn't see it or he could see it and he was being a hypocrite smart-arse. I think being a hypocrite is better than being thick.
Correction. You improved last season under Klopp to finish 4th. You are stagnant this season.
Improvement is not judged by who he signs, but whether you win any trophies with the signings. That being said, VVD is a necessary signing and nobody should give a feck about the fee if the team needs such a player.
Mate, he gets battered here week in week out and I say virtually nothing, sometimes because he deserves it ! However it seems the VVD signing is of secondary importance here to firing broadsides at Klopp. Anyway nothing that shouldn't be expected I guess.
Apologies. I thought you were referring to me in the 3rd party.
Because he said he'd never spend that much on a player even if he had the money. Every manager has their hypocritical moments but that was monumentally stupid. It wasn't even a time where players were cheap either.
Strange, I can't remember him giving us the same leeway when it came to the Pogba price. And Pogba is a young and genuine WC talent, VVD is not.
Has this season finished? So how can you say we are stagnant?
Iirc €50m+€10/€20/€30 depending on league position. 10m=no europe, 30m=CL
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He did less than give us leeway, he said that even if he had the money he wouldn't do it and that you buy big and win trophies but that's not his way.
I now assume he meant his way is to buy big and not win trophies.
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That's some high level of hypocrisy I can't believe I'll see with any other manager.
Klopp has now said people should forget about the fee and just concentrate on the player, because he knows he's a stupid hypocrite.
£55M. Release clause was £48M but because you secured him early, Sky Sports reported you paid an additional premium of £7M.
If there were journalists with any balls, and journalists that's not to busy licking Klopp's balls, they should point out his Pogba comments in relation to the VVD price.
Forgot about the premium. Still a long way off £70m.
Yes, it has not finished, which is why you haven't improved either. You are still behind us and you are still trophyless.
Heck, top 4 is a minimum for Klopp. 2nd, 3rd, 4th are all the same this season as City will be miles ahead of us all. Win the FA Cup atleast before claiming improvement.