Good point. He probably had a good run of good form for a couple of months.Yeah, I noted that as well back back when he'd reached 11-12 goals or something which also fit that criterium - the fact that he's still "only" on 14 a couple of months later seems a probable indicator of a one-off six-month confidence run. Then again, that Granada side has seen some talented individuals - if never quite a team -, among others Brahimi, El-Arabi etc. Gotta hand it to those Pozzos and their scouting network.
No, you were not getting at that at allI never said he was the best in here. Mourinho did not have less resources than Simeone. That's bull. Look at the teams they faced also. Porto were hardly even underdogs against Lyon or Benfica. If they were then i don't think it was by much.
He might be busy scouting Borja Mayoral, 90 minutes in 1st division, 1 goal? Kid has better chances of going to the Euro than AdurizDel Bosque are you watching?
Definitely his best win imo.Gary's tenure so far has been really strange. Quite a few games where they probably deserved more but were unlucky to lose or drop pts; then a lot of the games they won where they didn't really deserve it and were lucky to win - case in point, Kameni's gift in this game ().
Beating Espanyol at home was a must, beating Granada away and destroying Rapid Wien over both legs were pleasant yet plausible surprises, but beating this Málaga side at La Rosaleda is no mean feat.
Sadly you're right.He might be busy scouting Borja Mayoral, 90 minutes in 1st division, 1 goal? Kid has better chances of going to the Euro than Aduriz
Who or what is he moaning about after the goal?
Can you point me to where i said that in this thread? You were the one to bring in Mourinho. For the record i much prefer Simeone to Mourinho.No, you were not getting at that at all
He hasn't scored though? Unless some sources are giving him the own-goal in tonight's game v Levante?He might be busy scouting Borja Mayoral, 90 minutes in 1st division, 1 goal? Kid has better chances of going to the Euro than Aduriz
No idea. It was almost as funny as the goal. No one even touched him.Who or what is he moaning about after the goal?
No, amol brought up Mourinho and said that Simeone had done the most out of all managers in the last 5 years. I disagreed and you took up amol's argument. What else were you arguing?Can you point me to where i said that in this thread? You were the one to bring in Mourinho. For the record i much prefer Simeone to Mourinho.
Just that you were questioning Simeone's credentials or rather doubting his success because of players he didn't buy, something along those lines and that Mourinho had proved himself over in multiple facets. Felt like you were undermining Simeone's achievements and 'bigging' up Mourinho at the same time.No, amol brought up Mourinho and said that Simeone had done the most out of all managers in the last 5 years. I disagreed and you took up amol's argument. What else were you arguing?
I feel he has yet to prove himself in the market. His backbone has been great throughout but the player turnover has been huge. Close to 10 players in and out every season and many players don't last long. Maybe he's just ruthless with player that don't cut it straight away or something or there's someone buying players he's not fond of.Just that you were questioning Simeone's credentials or rather doubting his success because of players he didn't buy, something along those lines and that Mourinho had proved himself over in multiple facets. Felt like you were undermining Simeone's achievements and 'bigging' up Mourinho at the same time.
I don't think cleverness in the market is nearly as important in judging a manager's credentials. Managers are never in full control of transfers these days and definitely not at Atletico. Simeone has the 'pull'. A lot of players have said they wanted to work with him so joined Atletico but apart from that he only plays a part in transfers. It seems clear from his interviews also, the only absolutes he has placed on the board is that they must not sell Godin and Koke. The most important thing i think is to get the players you have working as a unit and to their utmost potential.I feel he has yet to prove himself in the market. His backbone has been great throughout but the player turnover has been huge. Close to 10 players in and out every season and many players don't last long. Maybe he's just ruthless with player that don't cut it straight away or something or there's someone buying players he's not fond of.
I don't think I was undermining him by disagreeing with him being the most accomplished managers in the past 5 years.
That's really my point. The players that are still doing the business for him today are pretty much all the same players he started out with. HG talent like Torres and Saul have filled in the gaps nicely, Gimenez was a great buy, Oblak a solid replacement for Courtois and Carrasco has shown decent things this season. Griezmann is of course great but he's been great under several managers in La Liga. The other 20+ players Atlético have bought haven't faired as well. Godin, Miranda, Juanfran, Filipe, Gabi, Tiago, Koke are the players that have been the very important backbone in his tenure. Very little rotation in the back 4 and the 2 in front of them this whole time apart from that Luis-less season.I don't think cleverness in the market is nearly as important in judging a manager's credentials. Managers are never in full control of transfers these days and definitely not at Atletico. Simeone has the 'pull'. A lot of players have said they wanted to work with him so joined Atletico but apart from that he only plays a part in transfers. It seems clear from his interviews also, the only absolutes he has placed on the board is that they must not sell Godin and Koke. The most important thing i think is to get the players you have working as a unit and to their utmost potential.
They are second in the league and in the KO stages of CL. They are doing fine. Look at the average cost of transfers. Not like they buy world class players. Mourinho taking Chelsea to relegation zone and Moyes flopping at United shows how difficult it is just to maintain a certain level nevermind compete for trophies every year. I don't think there are many managers who can do what Simeone is doing at Atletico.That's really my point. The players that are still doing the business for him today are pretty much all the same players he started out with. HG talent like Torres and Saul have filled in the gaps nicely, Gimenez was a great buy, Oblak a solid replacement for Courtois and Carrasco has shown decent things this season. Griezmann is of course great but he's been great under several managers in La Liga. The other 20+ players Atlético have bought haven't faired as well. Godin, Miranda, Juanfran, Filipe, Gabi, Tiago, Koke are the players that have been the very important backbone in his tenure. Very little rotation in the back 4 and the 2 in front of them this whole time apart from that Luis-less season.
They're doing better than fine but that's down to their phenomenal defense. Their attacking football has been very poor this season.They are second in the league and in the KO stages of CL. They are doing fine. Look at the average cost of transfers. Not like they buy world class players. Mourinho taking Chelsea to relegation zone and Moyes flopping at United shows how difficult it is just to maintain a certain level nevermind compete for trophies every year. I don't think there are many managers who can do what Simione is doing at Atletico.
Exactly. Especially considering the average cost of transfers. Hence Simeone is doing a great job. Offensively they need improvement but overall he's doing great.They're doing better than fine but that's down to their phenomenal defense. Their attacking football has been very poor this season.
They're still competing for every trophy although most of us feel like Barca have the league wrapped up.
Yeah, it's just fair Lucho gives a hungry Sergi Roberto the minutes both Alves and Aleix waste every gameAlba is playing a weak season and Aleix doesn't look too convincing defensively. Very logical lineup.
Harsh.Plus with Arda taking minutes in midfield it gives Roberto a chance to contribute more, especially with Vidal failing to impress
For me Roberto's most impressive games came from wide positions (RB as well as RM/RW against Madrid). As a midfielder I think he failed to impress. He has a great burst of acceleration but his touches and passing let him down too often. He also looked fairly lost in Busquets' role before getting subbed off a few matchdays ago. I think he should stay at RB and Aleix was an unnecessary signing, although admittedly no one could have expected Roberto to play that role so well.Plus with Arda taking minutes in midfield it gives Roberto a chance to contribute more, especially with Vidal failing to impress
I realize it's early and certainly too soon to write a player off after 2 months but I've seen a player who does not possess great defensive attributes - he may ultimately provide good offensive ones but overall he's a backup, for meHarsh.
Nah, he looks like your average run-of-the-mill pace+run winger-converted-into-a-defender. He hasn't even faced elite teams yet and already looks shaky. Should play as a substitute winger while Roberto takes the RB spot after Alves.Harsh.
We don't have a player that could cover our entire left wing, rather hope the 3-4-3 doesn't become a thingAlso could be a chance to audition the 3-4-3 as well
He wasn't expected to be a starter anyway. He's been a bit shaky lately, but I remember solid performances all around in the first month.I realize it's early and certainly too soon to write a player off after 2 months but I've seen a player who does not possess great defensive attributes - he may ultimately provide good offensive ones but overall he's a backup, for me
With Rafinha out for most (if not all?) of the season his signing has become more important. He (Rafinha) was the one who was playing in the forward positions whilst Neymar was ill at the beginning of the season, though Enrique has clearly decided to give more chances to Munir over Sandro in the second half of the season.Aleix Vidal was a necessary depth-signing I reckon.
I think it was more the safe option as Alves was almost out of the team until the last minute turn of eventsAleix Vidal was a necessary depth-signing I reckon.