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Played very well and scored a cracker but he did overplay a little at times. Sometimes he needs to give it rather than take an extra touch.
He'd be boring as feck if he changed it, I love that you don't know what Pogba is gonna do; that's part of what makes him great. Matic can be the guy to "do the right thing" every time.Played very well and scored a cracker but he did overplay a little at times. Sometimes he needs to give it rather than take an extra touch.
I doubt that he is a dud. He has remarkable skills and Mourinho needs to find out create a system that makes him shine. Else we have another Veron on our hands. I simply didn't think he was as good as he should have been last season.I think he's incredibly overrated by fans on this board due to a fear of letting opposition fans think we bought a dud.
He clearly has talent, but his decision making still isn't quite there. He produces moments of quality rather than minutes of sheer domination. Basically a winger in a midfield position. He produced 3 or 4 moments of quality today. Real quality. And that's often enough to sway the masses.
He was good, but not 9/10 good. Hart should have done better for his goal. Rashford robbed him of an assist or two.
Carrick ? Running ?I doubt that he is a dud. He has remarkable skills and Mourinho needs to find out create a system that makes him shine. Else we have another Veron on our hands. I simply didn't think he was as good as he should have been last season.
But with a full year under his belt, Matic and Carrick to do his running and genuine power and pace ahead of him, I'm hopeful he will justify his price tag and status.
Promising start to the season but as I said before Pogba's real job is to win us the big games so will reserve judgement until we've had a few of those.
I agree with this. There seems to be a pretty good understanding between the two of them already. I think Matic's intelligence and composure will really help him. He is a step ahead of Fellaini and Herrera in this respect. The fact Matic can actually move too (unlike Carrick, who may have better intelligence and composure) helps because Pogba doesn't have to cover for him all the time.Playing next to Matic will help him loads. I think you can see the mutual respect already. In a midfield two, we will still be suspect against better teams, as West Ham were really bad today so it will be interesting to see how he develops.
Imagine having Martial, Rashford, Miki and Lukaku on the pitch at the same time :/
I feel you, man. He has that Cantona's or Ibra's aura; that smugness where he knows that he's the shit. Where everyone has to bow to his greatness.He is a livewire isn't he?
the way he beats west ham's players, is like watching an adult bullying the school kids.
very, very quick feet, sees the opponent moves, bam! the ball is moved so quick, they have no chance.
more of that please pogba,
who cares if you're doing too much,
there are no other midfielder like him, one of a kind.
football is about entertainment! and oh boy you are the entertainment.
No he doesn't. He had that job against Madrid and was bloody awful. He played box to box against West Ham and was much better. Much as everyone loves this idea of him being a no 10, he's just not good at it.I feel you, man. He has that Cantona's or Ibra's aura; that smugness where he knows that he's the shit. Where everyone has to bow to his greatness.
The reason why i want us to play 3 in midfield, with Pogba released of defensive duty. So he can do whatever the feck he wants to do on the pitch. He's a very special player, and deserves that kind of treatment.
Agreed. I think that's when Jose will drop Mata/Mkhi and play Herrera next to Matic, and move Pogba further forward which should help us immensely, especially with players like Martial/Mkhi/Rashford/Lukaku on the counter.Playing next to Matic will help him loads. I think you can see the mutual respect already. In a midfield two, we will still be suspect against better teams, as West Ham were really bad today so it will be interesting to see how he develops.
Imagine having Martial, Rashford, Miki and Lukaku on the pitch at the same time :/
Agreed. He's actually much better when he has a more disciplined role. He can still do the showboaty stuff but he plays more like an actual midfielder instead of trying to do everything himself. I much prefer him in a 2 man midfield.No he doesn't. He had that job against Madrid and was bloody awful. He played box to box against West Ham and was much better. Much as everyone loves this idea of him being a no 10, he's just not good at it.
Matic is playing with a lot of freedom and looks like he's really enjoying playing for us. I seriously underestimated how good an all round game he has.He'd be boring as feck if he changed it, I love that you don't know what Pogba is gonna do; that's part of what makes him great. Matic can be the guy to "do the right thing" every time.
Yeh. That's a fair point. Although last season, he also had average games when playing in midfield two. The logic said that having less defensive duty would maximize his work on attack. But then the closer to the final third, the more crowded it is, thus less room and time for tricks. I still think his skillset and vision are suited for more advance midfield role.No he doesn't. He had that job against Madrid and was bloody awful. He played box to box against West Ham and was much better. Much as everyone loves this idea of him being a no 10, he's just not good at it.
Yh I thought he should have easily dealt with that goal tbf, not knocking Pog's game - he was class - but that wouldn't have got past Dave.At home against shoddy opposition he'll be fine in a midfield 2; it's when the top 6 arrive that the logical option is Herrera next to Matic, but then you sacrifice an attacking threat to accommodate him as an advanced player.
The simple solution is to bench him sometimes, but his price tag makes that difficult for Mourinho.
His goal was pretty central but fair play to him for capitalising on Hart's kryptonite low to his left side. Good 7/10 performance from him.
Then you are expecting every goal keeper to be world class like De Gea. Haha.Yh I thought he should have easily dealt with that goal tbf, not knocking Pog's game - he was class - but that wouldn't have got past Dave.
That and Joe Hart can't dive to his left any more.Then you are expecting every goal keeper to be world class like De Gea. Haha.
Credit to Pogba, normally a player would dribble closer into the goal, Joe hart must have to move towards pogba to prevent him coming closer, that opens up the left side of his goal, Pogba understood this, he opened his body, curl it to the left side of Joe Hart.
Accurate or not, it doesn't matter, because the keeper has no chance to dive as he moves to the other side. Any goal keeper will find it difficult to save that.
That's how much ability he got. Our pogba. Love him
You're giving him too much credit here. Every time he tries to place a long range curling shot off his right foot he goes to that side. It wasn't even one of his better efforts, many of which still get saved by any half decent keeper. It was just Joe Hart being Joe Hart.Then you are expecting every goal keeper to be world class like De Gea. Haha.
Credit to Pogba, normally a player would dribble closer into the goal, Joe hart must have to move towards pogba to prevent him coming closer, that opens up the left side of his goal, Pogba understood this, he opened his body, curl it to the left side of Joe Hart.
Accurate or not, it doesn't matter, because the keeper has no chance to dive as he moves to the other side. Any goal keeper will find it difficult to save that.
That's how much ability he got. Our pogba. Love him
Was more about the positioning of Hart. He had moved too far to his right, Pogba knew all he had to do was curl it round him, which he did.You're giving him too much credit here. Every time he tries to place a long range curling shot off his right foot he goes to that side. It wasn't even one of his better efforts, many of which still get saved by any half decent keeper. It was just Joe Hart being Joe Hart.
A number of our goals wouldn't have got past De Gea, he's much better in 1 on 1 situations than Hart. Hart's positioning is poor and he commits too early, while De Gea stands his ground, keeps both hands low and feet apart, and makes himself look big while forcing the attacker to commit first. Martial and Lukaku would both have had more trouble scoring on him. We aren't going to be facing keepers of De Gea's class in the PL so I wouldn't knock Pogba's goal on that basis.Yh I thought he should have easily dealt with that goal tbf, not knocking Pog's game - he was class - but that wouldn't have got past Dave.
well, statistically how many long range shots are scored apart from Ronaldo or Messi?You're giving him too much credit here. Every time he tries to place a long range curling shot off his right foot he goes to that side. It wasn't even one of his better efforts, many of which still get saved by any half decent keeper. It was just Joe Hart being Joe Hart.
Not knocking it, just saying a good GK (not just DDG) would have stopped it. I don't care how we score, whether pea rollers or 40 yard screamers tbh.A number of our goals wouldn't have got past De Gea, he's much better in 1 on 1 situations than Hart. Hart's positioning is poor and he commits too early, while De Gea stands his ground, keeps both hands low and feet apart, and makes himself look big while forcing the attacker to commit first. Martial and Lukaku would both have had more trouble scoring on him. We aren't going to be facing keepers of De Gea's class in the PL so I wouldn't knock Pogba's goal on that basis.
Aye, I just wanted to talk about how shit Hart is in comparison to De Gea actually . I'll never forget his first season here where every week the pundits would talk about Hart's latest 'uncharacteristic mistake' and explain how he was actually much better than our Dave.Not knocking it, just saying a good GK (not just DDG) would have stopped it. I don't care how we score, whether pea rollers or 40 yard screamers tbh.
Haha I know. What's weird is how highly rated he is purely because he's England's No1 - regardless of poor performances and regular errors. Pep was right to ship him out but just awful in replacing him.Aye, I just wanted to talk about how shit Hart is in comparison to De Gea actually . I'll never forget his first season here where every week the pundits would talk about Hart's latest 'uncharacteristic mistake' and explain how he was actually much better than our Dave.