It’s fecked up but I think if both sides are armed it make a shooting less likely. The assholes who use guns as penis extensions probably don’t have much appetite for taking on someone who can shoot back. Sort of like assured mutual destruction with nuclear bombs. You’d rather they didn’t exist but so long as both sides have them they’re less likely to be used.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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It’s fecked up but I think if both sides are armed it make a shooting less likely. The assholes who use guns as penis extensions probably don’t have much appetite for taking on someone who can shoot back. Sort of like assured mutual destruction with nuclear bombs. You’d rather they didn’t exist but so long as both sides have them they’re less likely to be used.
SPLC says they are a fringe anti-semitic hate group. Think they are trying to co-opt the movement. Those associated with the original black panthers have completely disowned and distanced from them.
I'm not sure what these guys cosplaying as a militia group says about the questions regarding machine-gun carrying rednecks en masse lining the streets and pulling up to government offices
Gotcha. And then you continue posting shit like below:
Spreading propaganda against cops and especially pretending to be a victim is so easy nowadays. Trim the video right from the moment cops have to use some force, share to social media and you got gullible people like you shouting "police brutality" crap nonstop. Cops don't use force and especially shoot people unless they fear for their own or their colleagues safety. Of course you will see some idiot cops who will just look for an excuse to lock you up but it's like 0.001%. You know feck all what happened in any of these stories you shared and looks like the journos are in similar boat like you with shite like "shot while holding a gun that he was probably “in the process of throwing” away.". Did you even read the shit that was written here or you are just "actively campaigning about this shit" reading the headlines and some random tweets?
I don't trust the average yahoo's weapons handling skills one bit. I received tons of training and did countless drills with automatic weapons but still managed to have a Negative Discharge on the range once. Imagine what these feckers are like considering all they do is shoot beer cans in their back yards when they are pissed up.
People pretending to be victims is the real killer, eh? You should start a hashtag about it. Think you'd find a lot of support on here. You could form a possee and hit the streets together. The optics would be great
I’ve been pulled over a dozen times or so over the years and have never seen this line of questioning. They’ve always been professional and friendly.
There are lots of people pretending to be victims of "police brutality". Believe it or not I couldn't care less.People pretending to be victims is the real killer, eh? You should start a hashtag about it. Think you'd find a lot of support on here
I guess it just says that it’s not just white people allowed to open carry automatic weapons during protests. To anyone outside America the whole thing is so mental that wasn’t beyond the realms of possibility that it might be policed differently depending on the ethnicity of the person carrying the gun. I’d half assumed that would be the case myself.
Sounds like you've discovered a massive problem here mate. Surely if it's such a big and blatant issue, it's incumbent upon good people like yourself to stand up and fight against this grave injustice? Or would you rather have Tommy and Nigel do it for you? Makes sense I guess. Let them do the dirty work while you casually snarl on a football forum about it.
What’s a Negative Discharge? Sounds like something you get after a vasectomy.
I've seen loads of those 1st amendment audit videos where those exact same questions are asked of the auditors. It's a great YT rabbit-hole if you can't sleep.
When you fire off a round that you weren't planning on firing. Usually when you clear your weapon after range practice. It's why when you clear the weapon you always point it at the ground.
In the old days an ND got you a kicking from an NCO, modern days up on a charge and a fine.
Are you white?
Oh right. Yeah. If both sides are armed to the teeth one of those could kick off a blood bath.
The propaganda against cops is quite somethingThere even are talks about defunding the police which is borderline retarded. How stupid you have to be to even suggest that? They are underfunded if anything. Jeezus. I mean I am sure all the criminals and looters would be excited but cmon people.
Read a book
Why have you been pulled over so many times? I've literally never been pulled over by the cops in the UK or France.
When I say over the years, it actually over the past quarter century.
They've all been random traffic violations - driving with a burned out tail light (Utah), driving between two 18 wheelers, while not allowing enough space between the two (Arizona), Speeding (Texas and California), driving in the left lane while not passing someone (Texas), Switching two lanes at once (Oklahoma), Car shaking and swerving a bit due to heavy winds (Kansas). All interstate pullovers. I don't think I've ever been pulled over by city cops.
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Nope
The protesters/the left are not doing themselves any favours by talking about defunding the police, in my opinion. It allows the opposition to create the strawman that the goal is abolishing the police altogether, which I think most people would agree would be crazy. Of course, a police force is required in a civilized society. Also, a huge part of the reason for the high number of horrible incidents involving police in the U.S. is poor training. How exactly is defunding going to improve training and screening of candidates?
Rather, the talking point should be demilitarization. Armored vehicles and the like should not be availabe to ordinary cops, and it would probably be a good idea to limit the amount of automatic weapons they have. I think that would go a long way towards deescalation and towards changing the mindset of the ordinary policeman.
Rather, the talking point should be demilitarization. Armored vehicles and the like should not be availabe to ordinary cops, and it would probably be a good idea to limit the amount of automatic weapons they have. I think that would go a long way towards deescalation and towards changing the mindset of the ordinary policeman.
¡Una, Grande y Libre! , huh?
Don't you guys have sort of alcohol-testing stops? I haven't been driving for that long, but I've been pulled over a few times in one of those. Where they just pull over basically everyone (as long as there's room) and test them.
Never seen anything like this in the US. Although I do know Canada (Ontario specifically) have something called the R.I.D.E. program where people cops set up checkpoints (usually on weekend nights) and check people for drinking.
Read the articles (from respected sources) and then demonstrate your own understanding first maybe?
eh? I thought they were quite common in California. There's a legal question as to the constitutionality of DWI traffic checkpoints that hasn't really been resolved.
Been driving for about 25 years and never even been pulled over for that either. Maybe I just have a trustworthy face.
Although now I've said that, I'll doubtless get pulled over every day for the next month..
Haven't seen any in Cali, where I live(d). LA, SF, Oakland, Walnut Creek
http://www.duiblock.com/dui_checkpoint_locations/california/
Many Americans are subjected to random stops for DUI Checkpoints every year. These Checkpoints are setup all across the nation, often without advance warning. There is a great controversy over the constitutionality of this use of checkpoints. Aside from the fact that they use a large amount of police resources and are not as effective as patrols, checkpoints also violate the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. Opponents of DUI Checkpoints have argued they constitute unreasonable search and seizure, and therefore are unconstitutional. The argument against checkpoints went all the way to the Supreme Court. In 1990, the Court ruled that Sobriety Checkpoints most probably were an infringement on Fourth Amendment rights, but that this detail was minor. The Supreme Court found that getting drunk drivers off the road and eliminating potential public safety risks was more important that the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable search and seizure. In order for these to be legal, the Court set forth some guidelines for law enforcement.
Despite the Supreme Court's surprising ruling and mention of guidelines, some states consider DUI Checkpoints Unconstitutional. Drivers are not stopped at sobriety checkpoints in Idaho, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin or Wyoming.
Oh there's more to those cases that those articles I can assure you. Respected or not. That's the point. I'm unsure why I need to demonstrate anything given I didn't post them in the first place.
Strange. I've partied all over LA and SF on weekends but have never encountered one of these.
I've looked through the thread a wee bit and picked out some posts to threadmark explanations of what some terms are or the thought processes behind them i.e The arguments about 'white privilege', 'black on black crime', 'systemic racism', 'the UK is a racist country' etc. Just because they are arguments which seem to be looping quite a bit in the thread and it's a bit easier going forward to just reference them sometiems than having to keep explaining it. If you know any other posts to be highlighted that explain things well or reference history or points that people can educate themselves with highlight them and we can add them.
Lucky you.
In my life, I've twice had to allow police to search my car without a warrant just to prove I wasn't "smuggling illegal aliens" just so I could go about my day without getting harassed further. Once I had to let them search my car because I allegedly "matched the description" of someone stealing car stereos and then another more severe case of false charges.
Oh and I've been in about a half dozen DUI stops although I haven't seen one in the last 8-9 years - they were much more common in the late 90s, early 2000s.
One of mine resulted in a search as well (in Texas). It was fairly cold and wet outside, so the guy asked if I wanted to sit in the front seat of his police SUV. He looked around a bit then came back and said I'm good to go, so I drove off. I left with the distinct impression he just wanted to check out the interior features of my then new car. 3 hours later I'm in Oklahoma City and got pulled over again for switching two lanes at once. The guy was again very friendly, ran my license and plates inside his cruiser, and I was off again.
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Not a Douglas Murray one though.
Just on that first paragraph you posted, it’s a good observation and something a lot of people do complain about, the lack of basic patrolling. It’s rare to randomly walk around patrolling and speak to people but when it happens you do tend to get people saying things like “it’s good to see you guys around for once” etc.In the UK police do serve as a deterrent just by being there. The more of them there are, the more visible they are and the more they build community links. I remember growing up we had local police who would always be walking a beat. Now you don't see any and if you do they are in a car, and consequently the public has lost the familiarity with them and now only ever see them in a negative setting. The police numbers are not vastly different to 20 years ago so i can only assume they're now all tied up with extra red tape and paperwork.
I'm not in a position to say there is a link and memes are usually misleading but this image is somewhat interesting as Snopes showed the figures are true. How does UK police training compare?
I find it particularly odd how there are increasing calls to defund the police, considering the same people have spent the last 10 years complaining that it is underfunded.
It again shows the difference in perception. I think someone earlier mentioned pro active patrolling should no longer happen. Yet you get a lot of people who live in troublesome areas saying they want to see more police around. And yep it’s just too busy, so much paperwork etc. I’d say more than half of what we do isn’t even crime related.
U.K. training isn’t long enough and should definitely be longer but officers not being given guns so early does help. If officers were given guns here as early as in the states you would see more police killings. Not to the level of America but you would but then it would never happen. And yeah that meme is spot on.
what was done by the protestors to maintain social distancing to ensure they're not now spreading 'the virus' to create a second spike? Cause the media spoke about the potential of a second spike like they're experts but who is bemoaning these people now who have comprimised social distancing..Because you can wear a mask but they've repeated 'social distancing' about 1,000,000 times since this happened. Are the people at these events immune? Or maybe covinds a blm supporter?? Are all these people now in quarantine? And what about if anyone was carrying the virus and didn't know, would the shops that got looted be 100% safe? ..
But with that many people, I would have thought, they are now a risk of spreading a virus in a time of a pandemic.....isn't that why people cannot all go back into stadiums? What if we all protest to go back into stadiums? And then go back into stadiums? It's pretty amusing really. I know viruses mutate, but viruses that let people vent isn't all so bad really. All it would take is one being infected for it to spread, so how exactly are they allowed to protest? Once can be done out of ignorance but when you have it happen a number of times and it spreading....then I call bs. Because if you want to stop it, you say you have a right to protest, but if you protest now there will be a spike in covid cases...right?...Isn't that a good enough reason for people to engage their brain? You don't hear it enough and it's because they're full of bleep.
But with that many people, I would have thought, they are now a risk of spreading a virus in a time of a pandemic.....isn't that why people cannot all go back into stadiums? What if we all protest to go back into stadiums? And then go back into stadiums? It's pretty amusing really. I know viruses mutate, but viruses that let people vent isn't all so bad really. All it would take is one being infected for it to spread, so how exactly are they allowed to protest? Once can be done out of ignorance but when you have it happen a number of times and it spreading....then I call bs. Because if you want to stop it, you say you have a right to protest, but if you protest now there will be a spike in covid cases...right?...Isn't that a good enough reason for people to engage their brain? You don't hear it enough and it's because they're full of bleep.
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This "reorganization" by police has been proposed for decades and it's never been implemented. The police simply will not police themselves. They still operate under the broken window theory and police unions have no incentive to reduce the amount of work/jobs for its members by reducing proactive policing. Again, much of the crimes they investigate (even violent crimes) happen due to the lack of social safety nets in these communities, which is correlated with welfare spending. Here is an economic study in 2008 about the inverse relationship between welfare payments and crimes. There are many more examples.
The military budget AND the police budget should be slashed. I posted this previously to a poster who was talking absolute nonsense:
https://www.gothamgazette.com/city/...-york-city-police-department-budget-de-blasio
The above is utterly shameful in a first-world democratic society that prides itself on human rights. And this is only in NYC. I'm sure you will find similar data across the US. If you still don't believe police departments don't need to be funded, I advise you to read Michelle Alexander's book The New Jim Crow. It will have anyone with a functioning moral compass seething and demanding widespread police defunding.
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Wow
It just goes to show how out of touch you and your comments are with what's going on.
I call you willfully ignorant b/c you making claims about "propaganda against cops" and claiming the movement to defund police is "retarded" and "stupid' without even bothering to give a shred of empirical evidence or cite any studies. So yes poster from Spain who likes to weigh in on US issues with a smug tone and no evidence, you are willfully ignorant.
When we hashed this out earlier, I came away with the view was it is very high risk but when you have lightning in a bottle you have to act on it when you have a chance to force change on something of this magnitude.
Another thing to consider is that most states are well into opening up, and in the grand scheme of things that will cause more opportunity for transmission than these protests if we have a ‘second wave’ (the first wave was never really over in many places in my opinion, but that’s a topic for the Covid thread).
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