Protests following the killing of George Floyd

noodlehair said:
If it was about respect then it would be white people removing or changing monuments because they recognise that they are an afront to black people and so are also an afront to them.
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Aren't they removing the monuments of these slavers? Not sure what point you are trying to make.
noodlehair said:
It wouldn't be angry mobs scribbling "was a racist" on Winston Churchill or vandalising street signs that are part of people's homes/community, and that in some cases actually have no link to slavery at all, or people standing around literally guarding a statue for some reason.
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We were originally talking about monuments of slavers, not any of these other situations. Let's chill with the straw men.
noodlehair said:
My mind boggles as to how anyone thinks these kinds of actions will bring about anything positive. It'll bring about Boris and the authorities rallying people against it.
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They are taking them down. That's positive.
 
MackRobinson said:
"The cops don't just pull you out of your car man"
We literally have countless video evidence of cops murder non-threatening citizens for no crime. That's a sweeping generalization.

I watched from the point your link started to the end.
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Yes, non-threatening citizens are killed by cops in USA. What I don't think happens, and pretty sure what he was saying is, you don't randomly get picked on by cops. There will be a reason you are pulled over and potentially killed as a consequence, innocent or not. That may be a reason unknown to the innocent victim. There will be outlier cases, as with anything. Countless video evidence? That's a bit exaggerated, no? There's about 1000 people killed by cops in the US each year.

It wasn't supposed to start at minute 8, that happened unknowingly. You did however watch 50 minutes of the video, and from that compare these two to Candance Owens.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
I’ve no idea and was about to ask, seriously why are they attacking the police, wtf is going on?
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They'll say they're there to protect statues and history etc, but by attacking police (who are actually there to protect statues and history etc), they're proving the point that they just fancied a day out and a scrap.

There's been no football, no euros, sun was shining, they needed to let the aggression out some way.
 
I'm just surprised Brits are targeting Churchill. I thought he was one of your most beloved leaders?
 
Fingeredmouse said:
This has nothing to do with statues, no.

It's a culture war and the utter cnuts trashing the streets of the capital of the country they claim to love in their fecking piss soaked Ben Sherman polo shirts out of their tits on gak are the emboldened far right underbelly of the UK.

For a long time the far right in Britain struggled to properly organise and mobilise because the UK was unique in that the strong piss streak of nationalism that ran through the country was undermined by the fact that the Nazis were the enemy and that created a strange cultural barrier.

No more. Open Nazi salutes would have been the preserve of Chelsea fans and their ilk and seen as fringe. Now white supremacy in Britain has aligned under the Brexit banner and our government of Etonian feudal lords and nouveaux cultural conservatives have enabled this.

This is the face of post Brexit Britain.
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Out of interest what was your take on last weekend's protests and the attacks on the police.....is that the face of No Brexit?
 
starman said:
Same reason they attack police outside football grounds, they are all off their heads on a thuggery rampage
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Shitheads!

I feel sorry for uk police the last week, they’ve had it from blm the last week with rioting and battles, the shit this weekend with these thugs, (don’t know what else to call them) All the while being absolutely hammered online as being crap, pointless, racist, accused as being as bad as American police and tarred with same brush.

they’ve handled most things I’ve seen well in my opinion this last week, I think people should cut them some slack.

And I say all this as someone who has never been a great lover of the police.

One last thing while I’m mid rant, midweek I seen a poster say of the police When they handled something well they’re just doing their job,they don’t deserve praise, you don’t praise a fish for swimming or something along those lines. It’s a terrible attitude to have, if that poster had a new kitchen or garden I’d no doubt they’d praise the work if they were happy with it. Every profession deserves praise if they produce good work, aswell as the police.

There’s no respect at all and then people wonder why this shit happens
 
jimmyb2000 said:
Out of interest what was your take on last weekend's protests and the attacks on the police.....is that the face of No Brexit?
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For me that is the saddest thing about today’s world. There is no middle ground. It’s all about extremes of both left and right. Might as well expunge compromise and conciliation from the dictionaries. They are defunct concepts.
 
I absolutely despair at the state of this country.

What kind of knuckle dragging mouth breather sees people trying to fight for equality for black people and thinks “fecking hell we can’t have that, I have to get out and protest against it”.

Yet we’ve had plenty of people telling us the UK doesn’t have a racism issue.
 
Rado_N said:
I absolutely despair at the state of this country.

What kind of knuckle dragging mouth breather sees people trying to fight for equality for black people and thinks “fecking hell we can’t have that, I have to get out and protest against it”.

Yet we’ve had plenty of people telling us the UK doesn’t have a racism issue.
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But both sides!
 
Rado_N said:
I absolutely despair at the state of this country.

What kind of knuckle dragging mouth breather sees people trying to fight for equality for black people and thinks “fecking hell we can’t have that, I have to get out and protest against it”.

Yet we’ve had plenty of people telling us the UK doesn’t have a racism issue.
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Literally this, people have spent the last week telling us that the U.K. doesn’t have a problem with racism.
 
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e.cantona said:
Yes, non-threatening citizens are killed by cops in USA. What I don't think happens, and pretty sure what he was saying is, you don't randomly get picked on by cops. There will be a reason you are pulled over and potentially killed as a consequence, innocent or not. That may be a reason unknown to the innocent victim.
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If that's what he meant that is a completely nothing statement. "Innocent people are shot for a reason." Ok, but that's not a real argument.

e.cantona said:
There will be outlier cases, as with anything. Countless video evidence? That's a bit exaggerated, no? There's about 1000 people killed by cops in the US each year.
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You should actually look at the evidence of police brutality in this data set (just from the protests).
Secondly, of those people killed by cops, this study says only 83% of them are armed. Not sure what outlier you are talking about.

e.cantona said:
It wasn't supposed to start at minute 8, that happened unknowingly. You did however watch 50 minutes of the video, and from that compare these two to Candance Owens.
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When I say sound like Candace Owens, I mean they argue the "what" instead of the "why". It's fairly easy to cite raw numbers, but as economists, you would think they would be running regressions on this data.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Literally this, people have spent the last week telling us that the U.K. isn’t a racist country....
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Are you going to use those thugs to tar or speak for all of the British people?

just as the other side was shut down for accusing the protestors as being rioters and looters?

yes there’s racists, we know that.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Are you going to use those thugs to tar or speak for all of the British people?

just as the other side was shut down for accusing the protestors as being rioters and looters?

yes there’s racists, we know that.
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I didn’t say all brits are racist did I, however I worded it badly so I will edit accordingly.
 
Any semi accurate numbers around on the people involved in this today? All a bit depressing, but also a spectacular own goal for those creating rumbles against the previous weekend protests. No-one in their right mind wants to be associated with vermin like these EDL types, and those who do are no loss.
 
Rado_N said:
Yet we’ve had plenty of people telling us the UK doesn’t have a racism issue.
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Yep, i'm really looking forward to seeing how those clowns try to justify that view, considering the oxygen thieves we're witnessing in London today.
 
Last week crying about the R Rate, and the Police being attacked. All of that out of the window today then.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Just looked like pointless point scoring.

these idiots shouldn’t represent anyone
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They shouldn’t....

So what exactly is the protest about then? I still don’t understand. It’s obviously a counter protest to the BLM movement, so what does it stand for?
 
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