It’s probably @Sparky Rhiwabon hes desperate for his pint!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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We have done well that's true.
I am getting an uptick in anxiety symptoms with what's head on Sunday evening and from next Monday onward. I just can't see any other way other than us hitting another peak of this thing. Testing is marginally better but no logistical planning demonstrated about how to implement quarantine measures to contact trace.The NHS app is being trialled in Isle of Wight, by the time teething problems or proof of concept is established this thing will gain a foothold again in our communities.
Discussing this earlier today after finishing a night shift and went through a fairly busy city centre to pick up a few things which is probably because of the upcoming long weekend. A lot of my colleagues are experiencing the same with regards to anxiety symptoms (I think I genuinely had palpitations), think a lot of us working in healthcare (and probably general population) are going to have elements of adjustment disorder, PTSD or agoraphobia now.
Manchester seems very quiet. I have been working some days and traffic is non existent.
That was my confusion.
Which brought me to 3 conclusions:
1) The data is incorrect
2) The Italian lockdown is not as stringent as I'd been led to believe
3) Or in the country where going out for a 'bad' reason has essentially been temporarily made illegal, 20% of the normal park visits are still happening.
We know 2 is not true and we'll assume 1 isn't either. So for me, the takeaway from that graph is that, despite very little policing of the lockdown (few sensationalist videos of police asking people to get off their own front lawns aside), Brits are still choosing themselves to visit the park less, even though its one of the few things they are allowed to. The flipside is that 20% of normal park visits in Italy are still ongoing, despite significant barriers to doing so.
Plus the rightly much lauded Germans have actually been visiting the park more often than usual, despite a still relatively high by global standards death/million population statistic.
Ministers in general are supposed to inform parliament before the media in the UK. It's a question of precedent and scrutiny rather than input but as long as the opposition have been kept informed then doesn't matter too much.
Parks are the best proxy we have for general outdoor movement, and the story is pretty straightforward: when people say the "streets are pretty much empty", that means something entirely different in the UK than it does in France, Spain or Italy. We live in a world full of international news so when people talk about people in the UK not taking the lockdown as seriously as they could, it's because we don't just have anecdotal evidence from our local area, we have behavioural data from other countries in a similar situation. It's an observable fact that there is significantly more outdoor movement. It's also an observable fact that the decline in cases is much slower in the UK than it was in any of those three countries, despite all of them having big cities, full of flats without gardens, with beautiful parks. It's up to people and governments to decide what the right balance of trade-offs is. I sit overlooking a small London park in a flat without a garden and the streets are clearly less busy but they're not remotely close to empty. People are going outside and it's likely that's part of why the decline in cases is taking much longer. I think on balance that's a good thing given we've been able to do so without overwhelming the system, but it has adverse effects and I think it's reasonable that other people place more importance on the adverse effects than the benefits.
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Driving to and from hospital twice per day, I’ve yet to be 3rd or deeper in a queue at a junction. Roads are very quiet relatively.
I think the majority are adhering to the rules, or at the very least operating within the spirit of them. There will always be a minority who think they are above the rules, who either don’t understand them, or just don’t care. I sadly know two people: one who is regularly having her older daughter and grandson round, and someone else who has had their parents round a few times for social distancing in the garden.
We’ve told our team, NHS/LA healthcare commissioners and project managers, that it is increasingly likely people will continue working from home for most, if not all of, 2020. Why would we possibly have people commuting who can work remotely?
Of course they should be informed but I don't believe that it was the point made since Steve talked about debating. As far as I know sharing information is a legal obligation.
Aren't you also moaning about something equally mostly nonexistent though?
I'm not on facebook so perhaps it's more prevalent there but I'm not seeing where all these people are apparently claiming that brits at large aren't behaving?
Downing Street lobby briefing:
'No 10 seems worried about the expectations raised by some of these newspaper stories, because the spokesman made a point of stressing that anything happening next week would be “very limited”. He told reporters:
"You all need to be very clear: any easement to the guidelines next week will be very limited. We are at a critical moment in the fight against the virus and we will not do anything which risks throwing away the effort and sacrifices of the British public."'
Boris Johnson:
"We are not going to do anything that risks a second peak. We will advance with maximum caution in order to protect the NHS and to save lives. We will be guided at every step by the science and the data and we will closely track the impact of any easing of the social distancing measures and and will not hesitate to tighten the rules if required."
'No 10 seems worried about the expectations raised by some of these newspaper stories, because the spokesman made a point of stressing that anything happening next week would be “very limited”. He told reporters:
"You all need to be very clear: any easement to the guidelines next week will be very limited. We are at a critical moment in the fight against the virus and we will not do anything which risks throwing away the effort and sacrifices of the British public."'
Boris Johnson:
"We are not going to do anything that risks a second peak. We will advance with maximum caution in order to protect the NHS and to save lives. We will be guided at every step by the science and the data and we will closely track the impact of any easing of the social distancing measures and and will not hesitate to tighten the rules if required."
Already looking forward to Poppygate during lockdown.
Good.
They are talking sense for once.
As expected, very little is going to change for a while yet.
Perhaps my tone is off but I don't really think I am moaning tbf. Seems more like a reasonable discussion with multiple people with no arguments/ insults or condescension (so far, of course there is always time
).It is happening on FB but I was referring more to the discussions on here though.
Admittedly, I don't have as much time to browse/ post as before though so perhaps I'm just landing on rare occasions of people doing it and forming an incorrect assumption.
R is estimated to be at 0.49 in Norway. Somewhat surprised by that considering our lockdown wasn’t actually that strict to begin with. Stores, shops have been functioning as normal throughout, IKEAs have been as busy as always etc. I've personally spent far more time outdoors the last couple of months compared to what I usually do (and so have lots of others). I guess the main factor was putting border restrictions in place fairly early. And good testing obviously.
One on one professions and schools (1-4 grades) have been open for a couple of weeks. 5-10 grades are expected to open next week. We're getting the latest on sports competitions/gyms later today, get that sorted within a couple of weeks and we're in a reasonably sound position for the summer months. Encourage those that can work remotely to continue doing so and keep the borders closed.
One on one professions and schools (1-4 grades) have been open for a couple of weeks. 5-10 grades are expected to open next week. We're getting the latest on sports competitions/gyms later today, get that sorted within a couple of weeks and we're in a reasonably sound position for the summer months. Encourage those that can work remotely to continue doing so and keep the borders closed.
This surge in discussion boils down to Johnson’s performance at PMQs yesterday. He triggered the conversation surrounding Monday when he tried to bat away requests to inform parliament first. As soon as he said it, I turned to my Dad and said that his advisors would be sat with their heads in their hands.
One of Johnson’s (many) biggest issues is that he doesn’t think before he opens his gob. He does this sort of thing time and time again: shaking hands with Corona patients, take it on the chin, apparent success...
People are so scared of corona that when they have legit problems they are not coming to hospital, My brother is a cardiologist and he said theres been a 70% reduction in PCI`s(procedure when you put in a stent when someone has an acute heart attack), So its not people arent having heart attacks, its theyre having threm at home.
I work in A&E and Ive seen a good few elder patients who have had chest pain days earlier, but they only come into hospital after a few days, and by then the damage is already done, and theres not much to do apart from medical management. Granted it has helped with all the rubbish we usually see in A&E who come thinking were like a second gp service or ill just got to a&e, when it stands for Accident and Emergency, alot of people were abusing A&E, hopefully this changes after covid - most likely it wont
Hospital admissions are rising again, as more people are going out, we`re getting loads of the minor injuries , and people are starting to come back again
This NHS tracking app is pure big brother and way too convenient, that should never be allowed to pass, and no one should use it
The government had no idea what to do, so they just decided to lock the whole country down, Sweden didnt do any large lockdown and there death rate from covid is similiar to countries in lockdown
That’s good news.
I could basically write exactly the same thing for Germany. Latest R number was 0.65 today. It's actually annoying that our media keep using the word lockdown because a) it's yet another word borrowed from English when we just could use a German word and b) we never had a lockdown.
*facepalm with disposable gloves on*
Indeed.
I thought exactly the same thing of our PM.
He was getting completely outclassed by the excellent questions of Keir Starmer and when he repeatedly turned to look for divine intervention from the normal baying baboons sitting behind him, they were not there.
So he reverted to type and said the first thing that came into his head.
Well. Now they have to come up with something that will satisfy the public, while trying to reduce the risk.
The videos of people queuing at KFC and Costa drive-ins are a bit baffling and sad. I don’t understand why you’d be so desperate to have those?
Parks are a godsend, particularly if you live in a block of flats- think they've helped keep a lot of people sane during the lockdown. I don't think it's a big problem as long as people are sensible.
My best friends wife works at St. Olav, one of her colleges works in the reception and she was almost certainly sick but was told to come to work anyway and they didn't want to test her because she couldn't come if it was proved that she had covid.
Heard too many similar stories to feel like Norway is doing great on testing.
This is... quite special...
Just quoting you because the post is what made me start thinking. Feel free to ignore the ramblings.
My medical office went out with a article in the local newspaper to tell people to not avoid them.
I was scared to go to take a blood sample to check if my medications are at a good level and ended up taking it a month later than I should have. Dumb of me of course. I didn't get the memo before I booked the appointment that they had made sure people who were sick wouldn't come there and that they had made sure we wouldn't sit next to each other. I'm guessing they get around 50 people a day normally but get maybe 5 these days.
Most people wait for their appointment to start in their car in the parking area outside. It seems like we patients are terrible at seeing clear on what is more dangerous to us that we live with everyday and what is just "extra" but scares us.
I worry about my next annual checkup at the hospital. As things are now I don't want to go. I live in the far north of Norway, so the flight would be on almost 2 hours with 2-3 stops. Fewer flights go from where I live as well due to the issues with Norwegian would mean they get cramped. The government has told the industry to keep the midseat empty, but a lot of the flights I take are usually just 2 seats.
Obviously the solution is to just call the hospital beforehand and voice my concerns and let the professionals make the call. I'll do that, but damn does it seem scary to travel now.
We're self isolating now and alta has had around 8 cases of covid19 with a population of 20k, no active ones cases now. But things are opening up more now...
Surely it is referring to park/greenland areas rather than specifically parks.
@Samid
Do you know if the government has increased capacity a lot? Noticed the resporators Erna & Co bought were seen as pointless by some doctors. Did you read anything about that?
Think I read something about increase of capacity at one hospital with more beds but I've got no idea how it is looking in general.
Do you know if the government has increased capacity a lot? Noticed the resporators Erna & Co bought were seen as pointless by some doctors. Did you read anything about that?
Think I read something about increase of capacity at one hospital with more beds but I've got no idea how it is looking in general.
I had to check that it wasn't a joke, it's easily one of the stupidest thing wrote by a journalist.
Correct observation, wrong conclusion I'd say. We don't not use them because we "lost" but because of the collective guilt and deep embarrassment and shame Germans feel about the war.
This is concerning and I’ve noticed it massively when driving around that there’s a lot more traffic. It’s probably more of a hindrance than the folk walking about aimlessly. Nowhere is open so the only conclusion to come from the increase in cars on the road is that people are visiting people more and more which should be a big no no unless it’s to visit someone unable. I’ve got a mate who is an Uber driver and he said he’s been picking up a lot of younger males who have openly stated they’re going to meet girls for the old poke and dash.
All major hospitals made changes to accommodate for a worst-case scenario with some doctors being separated from the rest and working in "covid" groups...
Nationally; did not go above the respirator threshold in this wave, but there might have been weeks where regionally, especially in Oslo, where the capacity was closed to being reached.
Moving patients around if there was a need for respirators was always an option.
Some hospitals in Oslo has increased the capacity marginally, but currently, there is no need for it.
I'm the same with regards to anxiety, I've been fine since I've been wfh but this is the most anxious I've felt since it started beside my initial battle with work to give us wfh access.
Whoever mentioned their company was thinking about keeping wfh for the rest of the year, lucky you, it's a shame more companies arent like that
I agree it's sad how people are queuing for things like KFC and there in lies the problem of reopening too quickly if they're flocking to KFC so quickly, where they are at least in cars what about places like the pub?
I see Scotland has extended lockdown for another 3 weeks I hope we do the same
I saw on another forum someone shared a tweet, I dont do twitter so cant show it but it was by Martin Belam and referenced the papers terming Monday "happy Monday" yet the death toll in the UK alone is more than 11 7/7's, more than 6 Hillsboroughs, four and a half Aberfans, 3 Marchioness', 3 Herald of Free enterprises, 20 Kings Cross Fires....
The really interesting insight into a national psyche here is not why Germany doesn’t want to reference a war that killed millions, it’s why the British media constantly talk about the “blitz spirit” in a population of people born decades after the war was over.
Park doesn't just mean city parks with gates and fences. National Parks are huge and people still live in/move through them even in lockdown.
Flouting rules is a national sport in Italy but they have been taking this seriously, once it became apparent how serious it was. I have a video i took on the way to the supermarket of a crossroads that is normally nose to tail with traffic at any given time of day. I didn't see another car or person for about the mile that you can see in any direction.
It’s mad isn’t it. You’d think people would be making a more of an effort to be fit and healthy. Ease back into scoffing down rubbish food? Nope no chance.
Totally agree.