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Vernon Philander

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Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. All they have to do is literally be anyone other than the Tories to win, and yet they're hellbent on being the fecking Tories.
Not quite true. Corbynism would fit the “anyone other than the Tories” definition and there is little appetite from red wallers or blue waverers to vote for that
 

Sweet Square

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Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. All they have to do is literally be anyone other than the Tories to win, and yet they're hellbent on being the fecking Tories.
I’m just glad Labour have stopped all the silly student politics and are now focusing on the real issu……


Oh
 

Maticmaker

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Victorian Britain.
Return of the 'Workhouse' Theatre Company
c: OLIVER TWIST
" Please sir can I have some more..."
c: BEADLE
"WHAT more... no no Oliver sleeping on the streets will not get you more food, or a warm bed and satellite TV...
oh wait a minute though"
 

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Yeah they're not getting my vote.
Nobody wants to see Tories come to power. But it's physically puke inducing to put a tick anywhere near a Labour candidate. My long time footy friend Sadiq Khan is going up for mayoral election again in May. Always voted for him obviously, and for Labour in the generals. The five voting members of my family are going Green this time. They are anti genocide. It's all that matters to us at this historic moment. Even if it's just lip service, and it likely is.
 

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Nobody wants to see Tories come to power. But it's physically puke inducing to put a tick anywhere near a Labour candidate. My long time footy friend Sadiq Khan is going up for mayoral election again in May. Always voted for him obviously, and for Labour in the generals. The five voting members of my family are going Green this time. They are anti genocide. It's all that matters to us at this historic moment. Even if it's just lip service, and it likely is.
I'm actually making an exception for Khan. Sick of the racist drivel being directed at him (like Abbott he's a seemingly acceptable outlet for the racist right to direct their bigoted drivel at), and I think he's done a decent job as mayor, undoing a lot of the shite Boris had encumbered us with. I also enjoy the bigots foaming at the mouth at the mere mention of him. And unlike his spineless peers at the PLP, he wasn't as apologetic towards Israel's genocidal adventure and IIRC he called for a ceasefire early on when Starmer was high fiving the Israelis for cutting off water, medicine and energy.

The parliamentary labour party can do one though. Definitely opting for the greens on the GE front, and many of my friends and family are doing so too. A bit torn as to what to do at local elections though as I feel like the Labour councillors are decent folk with a bit of integrity.
 
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Nobody wants to see Tories come to power. But it's physically puke inducing to put a tick anywhere near a Labour candidate. My long time footy friend Sadiq Khan is going up for mayoral election again in May. Always voted for him obviously, and for Labour in the generals. The five voting members of my family are going Green this time. They are anti genocide. It's all that matters to us at this historic moment. Even if it's just lip service, and it likely is.
Imagine having to describe yourself as anti-genocide to differentiate yourself from the other major political parties. Grim world we live in.
 

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Fortunately in my constituency it’s between the tories and Lib Dem’s, so easy choice.

I would still vote Labour in a heartbeat to get rid of the tories right now, but fecking hell they seem to be making hard work of it, trying to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.
 

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Fortunately in my constituency it’s between the tories and Lib Dem’s, so easy choice.

I would still vote Labour in a heartbeat to get rid of the tories right now, but fecking hell they seem to be making hard work of it, trying to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Labour have a decent chance in my constituency, but the SNP MP - for all the faults that the SNP have nowadays - is a great MP and will probably hold his seat anyway.

Seriously. How difficult is to not be the Tories? It's like Starmer has been given the answers to a two option multiple choice quiz and yet the cnut is still fecking up. But the reality is that they probably were cnuts anyway, and because everything has shifted to the right so much in our society they think they can get away with it. At least in the past Labour pretended like they gave a shit about people.
 

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What he really wants to say is 'You know, I really don't give two fecking shits about your appalling northern nursery. Now, where's my helicopter which you're paying for?'
 

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It's mad that anyone could take a person who lasted just 49 days as leader of their country, because they tanked its economy with all their policies, seriously. Like what possible insight could they have?
 

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It's mad that anyone could take a person who lasted just 49 days as leader of their country, because they tanked its economy with all their policies, seriously. Like what possible insight could they have?
read it and if you share any common goals or ideals, revisit them.
 

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It's mad that anyone could take a person who lasted just 49 days as leader of their country, because they tanked its economy with all their policies, seriously. Like what possible insight could they have?
The only people that do are free market libertarians, and I imagine they still think she didn't go far enough, and people in Telegraph comments sections. It doesn't seem like the Conservatives even take her seriously anymore.
 

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I think the polls are seriously under estimating left voters choosing to vote away from Labour.
You could well be correct, it's amazing how many people who consider themselves true socialists are prepared to 'cut off their noses' to spite Starmer's face. Wonder what they will tell their children if they do managed to rob Labour of the large majority they are going to need (over 3 terms) to move the dial significantly?

Even a large majority for Labour in this next election will not make the difference it will take to improve the lot of working people... not in one term; the Tories have had 14 years, Labours going to need 3 terms (15 years) at least, not to just claw back, but to move the dial significantly.

I am in my late 70's and only once in my life time has a Labour government been in a position to improve the lot of working people to the next level and I was born in that era (i.e post WW2, NHS Act and Education Act) that Labour government change my life prospects no end, and for millions like me. It's true the Blair Government had a stab at it but too much in-fighting at the top stopped them really moving the dial. So, to anybody who is thinking of ditching, Labour because Starmer has the temerity to call for 'silence in the ranks' and to 'brook no nonsense' in marshalling his troops to win their most important election since the 1940/50's.
Then I say shame on you and warn that you will regret it the rest of your lives.
 

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I find him excruciating to watch. I can’t remember someone so insincere, arrogant and out of their depth.
He just doesn't listen and keeps trotting out the same rubbish.
Then repeats the same thing whatever the question.
 

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You could well be correct, it's amazing how many people who consider themselves true socialists are prepared to 'cut off their noses' to spite Starmer's face. Wonder what they will tell their children if they do managed to rob Labour of the large majority they are going to need (over 3 terms) to move the dial significantly?

Even a large majority for Labour in this next election will not make the difference it will take to improve the lot of working people... not in one term; the Tories have had 14 years, Labours going to need 3 terms (15 years) at least, not to just claw back, but to move the dial significantly.

I am in my late 70's and only once in my life time has a Labour government been in a position to improve the lot of working people to the next level and I was born in that era (i.e post WW2, NHS Act and Education Act) that Labour government change my life prospects no end, and for millions like me. It's true the Blair Government had a stab at it but too much in-fighting at the top stopped them really moving the dial. So, to anybody who is thinking of ditching, Labour because Starmer has the temerity to call for 'silence in the ranks' and to 'brook no nonsense' in marshalling his troops to win their most important election since the 1940/50's.
Then I say shame on you and warn that you will regret it the rest of your lives.
Labour should have to work for votes. They can't just assume the left will turn up because they aren't as bad as the Tories.

For all his and their faults, Blair and New Labour did largely get a lot of the traditional more argumentative lefties behind them with a focus on schools and early years education.

Starmer needs to find his "education, education, education" message.
 

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You could well be correct, it's amazing how many people who consider themselves true socialists are prepared to 'cut off their noses' to spite Starmer's face. Wonder what they will tell their children if they do managed to rob Labour of the large majority they are going to need (over 3 terms) to move the dial significantly?

Even a large majority for Labour in this next election will not make the difference it will take to improve the lot of working people... not in one term; the Tories have had 14 years, Labours going to need 3 terms (15 years) at least, not to just claw back, but to move the dial significantly.

I am in my late 70's and only once in my life time has a Labour government been in a position to improve the lot of working people to the next level and I was born in that era (i.e post WW2, NHS Act and Education Act) that Labour government change my life prospects no end, and for millions like me. It's true the Blair Government had a stab at it but too much in-fighting at the top stopped them really moving the dial. So, to anybody who is thinking of ditching, Labour because Starmer has the temerity to call for 'silence in the ranks' and to 'brook no nonsense' in marshalling his troops to win their most important election since the 1940/50's.
Then I say shame on you and warn that you will regret it the rest of your lives.

Sure, then Tory can change its name as Socialist party of GB while behaving like always and then the socialist should vote them. Just because the Labour is called Labour doesn't entitle them to have the labour and left votes if their policies are Tory lite. If Labour is not left anymore, why the left should vote them?