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with old ‘pragmatic’ tories dying off they will lose a huge amount of voters.
'Waiting to fill dead men's shoes' what a political slogan for the 21st Century.

I truly hope the young have a better aspiration for future government than that ;)
 

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People do forget, but I do think the way the tories have savaged us all (especially the young) won’t be forgotten by a large number of people, with old ‘pragmatic’ tories dying off they will lose a huge amount of voters.
People said the same thing after 2 decades of Thatcher and Major but 13 years later couldn't wait for more Tories. After Blair and Brown Labour were supposed to be finished forever but here we are waiting for a Labour government. Is it really going to be any different this time? I don't think it will.


Disagree. People traditionally become more conservative because they become home owners, have children, build savings etc etc and it’s about protecting what they have. The Tories have gone a long way to fecking up that natural progression and more and more people in their 30s, 40s and beyond will have no natural inclination to become more conservative because they have no wealth to protect.

I’m nearing my 40s, a homeowner with children and savings and I have absolutely zero inclination to move to the right because I can see how damaging the lack of socialism has been to the foundations of this country. It’s about a few getting rich and the rest getting nothing. feck that and feck you.
A lot of young people with nothing will be inheriting a lot of something in the next 10 to 20 years. I reckon we'll see how quickly getting a few quid changes people's feelings toward wealth sharing.
 

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A lot of young people with nothing will be inheriting a lot of something in the next 10 to 20 years. I reckon we'll see how quickly getting a few quid changes people's feelings toward wealth sharing.
With a decimated NHS? The majority of people’s inheritance will be used to pay for care long before they see a penny of it.

My partner’s gran was one of a generation who bought her house for 5 figures and it’s now worth half a million. She’s been in a care home for the last couple of years and there isn’t expected to be any capital left in the home when she does finally pop her clogs. If you think that’s purely an anecdote you’re grossly mistaken.
 

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A lot of young people with nothing will be inheriting a lot of something in the next 10 to 20 years. I reckon we'll see how quickly getting a few quid changes people's feelings toward wealth sharing.
WHO? What world do you live in that won’t see end of life care not eat every single penny of property equity? Those numbers just don’t work anymore. That time is just gone.
 

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Tory duty on Ofwat protects profits over reducing sewage pollution, experts say
The Conservatives have pushed through a duty on the water regulator to prioritise growth, which experts have said will incentivise water companies to value their bottom lines over reducing sewage pollution.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ts-over-reducing-sewage-pollution-experts-say
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Labour MPs voted with the government, and it is understood this is because they did not want to be accused of being “anti-growth”.
:lol:
 

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Labour voters - The tories are trying to destroy the country before leaving office so Labour can’t fix anything when in power.

Labour MP’s - It’s actually very smart to help the tories destroy the country!
 

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I’m nearing my 40s, a homeowner with children and savings and I have absolutely zero inclination to move to the right because I can see how damaging the lack of socialism has been to the foundations of this country. It’s about a few getting rich and the rest getting nothing. feck that and feck you.
I could not agree more, I'm in my 50s also a home owner with children and savings, I find the older I get the more I move to the left, for exactly the same reasons. Like many others, I've watched as the Tories have wrecked this country, schools, NHS, legal aid, immigration, Brexit, social services, councils, etc the list goes on and on, there's very little in the UK that isn't broken and people are being conned into more and more division with the spiteful and hateful politics of fear.

Feck that.
 

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With a decimated NHS? The majority of people’s inheritance will be used to pay for care long before they see a penny of it.

My partner’s gran was one of a generation who bought her house for 5 figures and it’s now worth half a million. She’s been in a care home for the last couple of years and there isn’t expected to be any capital left in the home when she does finally pop her clogs. If you think that’s purely an anecdote you’re grossly mistaken.
£5.5 trillion is expected to pass between generations over the next 30 years with the peak occuring 10 years from now i.e. when we are talking about the next government likely getting stale. By far the biggest wealth transfer in history. You might know somebody who will spend it all on care but unfortunately that's just not how it's going to be for many people.
 

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£5.5 trillion is expected to pass between generations over the next 30 years with the peak occuring 10 years from now i.e. when we are talking about the next government likely getting stale. By far the biggest wealth transfer in history. You might know somebody who will spend it all on care but unfortunately that's just not how it's going to be for many people.
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When the tories bring up old economic times such as the famous banking crash, why don't other parties remind them of black Wednesday?
 

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Are Labour in danger of having a policy today? Presumably only because they got to do a bit of flag shagging in there with Great British Railways but still.
 

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Labour have pledged to renationlise the railway system within 5 years.

Did this just get announced? I literally saw it scrolling on the news.
 

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£5.5 trillion is expected to pass between generations over the next 30 years with the peak occuring 10 years from now i.e. when we are talking about the next government likely getting stale. By far the biggest wealth transfer in history. You might know somebody who will spend it all on care but unfortunately that's just not how it's going to be for many people.
Just to point out that this is people's money, savings, investments and houses which have been worked for and in the main, taxes including IHT paid for.

It is not the government money and they should keep their fing thieving hands off.
 

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Labour have pledged to renationlise the railway system within 5 years.

Did this just get announced? I literally saw it scrolling on the news.

"Labour is also not planning to nationalise rail freight companies or rolling stock companies."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68889345

They have to do this to make any sort of difference.

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/publica...t-why-its-time-to-take-control-of-uk-rolling/

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog...-first-step-of-many-labour-will-need-to-take/
 

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Just to point out that this is people's money, savings, investments and houses which have been worked for and in the main, taxes including IHT paid for.

It is not the government money and they should keep their fing thieving hands off.
Tbf the majority of it probably belongs to those who inherited great wealth from their parents because inequality is rife. But yes, the people who would get clobbered would almost certainly not be those people.
 

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Is there a thread for Scottish politics knocking around? Just watched Hamza Yousaf's press conference and keen to hear thoughts on what happens next up in Holyrood.
 
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I broadly agree, however I do wonder if the Tories have fecked themselves demographically for a generation.

Broadly speaking, the average voter adopts more right wing positions as they get older, while they accumulate wealth, aquire property and form a family. They have "assets" to conserve. For 20 & 30 year olds currently, budgets are tight, home ownership is often a dream and starting a family is being delayed because of the associated costs. For this generation, this will be the Tories legacy, while the older right wing voters slowly die off.

Labour will of course have no short term fix, but I can't help but think there will be everlasting resentment to the Tories for the above, much like there is for Thatcher. In 10, 20 years time people won't remember the confected culture war issue of today. They will remember how the Tories made their life much more difficult.
My experience during canvasing in the local elections last year is that a large amount of 20 - 30 somethings can't be arsed to vote, until it's an App on their iPhone.
The turnout at those elections was well under 30%, of course you can expect more for a GE, but I suspect the overwhelming majority of voters will be over 40
 

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I could not agree more, I'm in my 50s also a home owner with children and savings, I find the older I get the more I move to the left, for exactly the same reasons. Like many others, I've watched as the Tories have wrecked this country, schools, NHS, legal aid, immigration, Brexit, social services, councils, etc the list goes on and on, there's very little in the UK that isn't broken and people are being conned into more and more division with the spiteful and hateful politics of fear.

Feck that.
There was me thinking Blair was Labour
 

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Labour have pledged to renationlise the railway system within 5 years.

Did this just get announced? I literally saw it scrolling on the news.
5 years is the interesting number there as it gives them a get out clause if they havent delivered it by next election.

Personally I have zero trust in anything Labour say anyway due to their obscene amount of UTurns on policies. In theory, yeah brilliant policy, but have no confidence Labour will deliver it at all.
 

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How did Blair wreck the country?
You need me to tell you that, you are either very young or very short on memory.
Took us into an illegal war
Increased taxation that still has repercussions today.
Encouraged young girls to get pregnant to get a home
Allowed immigration to soar
He made massive promises and failed to deliver on virtually all of them, and miserably so.
He started the "Woke" society we all live in today.
New Labour were basically tories wearing red ties!
 

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You need me to tell you that, you are either very young or very short on memory.
Took us into an illegal war
Increased taxation that still has repercussions today.
Encouraged young girls to get pregnant to get a home
Allowed immigration to soar
He made massive promises and failed to deliver on virtually all of them, and miserably so.
He started the "Woke" society we all live in today.
New Labour were basically tories wearing red ties!
So both New Labour and the current Tory government have fuelled the current woke society?
 

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"Labour is also not planning to nationalise rail freight companies or rolling stock companies."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68889345

They have to do this to make any sort of difference.

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/publica...t-why-its-time-to-take-control-of-uk-rolling/

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog...-first-step-of-many-labour-will-need-to-take/

I think there is a difference between a policy not going far enough and not making any sort of difference. Nationalisation should have a positive impact on the average commuter.