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I don't believe either of those comments in bold for one second.
Are you serious? Go to any Fellaini thread from last season and search Cleverly. I can swear to you that you will find this said multiple times. As for wanting him to fail, you don't even have to go last season. Just the beginning of this season when he had a 10 minute cameo at the end of the game people were saying such comments.

EDIT: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cleverley-vs-fellaini.377853/

These aren't even the abusive comments but you can see how much he was rated. 75 percent people thought Clev's was better. You see some posters saying Phil Jones is better than Fellaini.
 

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There was people in this thread saying he wasn't good enough for the Premier League last season.
 

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Are you serious? Go to any Fellaini thread from last season and search Cleverly. I can swear to you that you will find this said multiple times. As for wanting him to fail, you don't even have to go last season. Just the beginning of this season when he had a 10 minute cameo at the end of the game people were saying such comments.

EDIT: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cleverley-vs-fellaini.377853/

These aren't even the abusive comments but you can see how much he was rated. 75 percent people thought Clev's was better. You see some posters saying Phil Jones is better than Fellaini.
I'd imagine a lot probably felt he was better in a central midfield role, which is hardly a ridiculous assertion when Fellaini generally been known as more of an attacking or defensive mid.
 

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There was people in this thread saying he wasn't good enough for the Premier League last season.
TBF, he wasn't really great at all but now, everybody should be happy that he's playing well under LVG. No complaints from my side anymore
 

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I admit it. I hated him last season and early this season, but his recent performances has changed my mind.

I don't think he will ever be a good defensive midfielder. But harassing people around the pitch and adding physicality to the side really helps us against premier league teams. Not to mention he's useful for set pieces and lumping it to him when the defenders are in a tight spot is a great alternative too!
 

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There was people in this thread saying he wasn't good enough for the Premier League last season.
Thats cos he was an utter shambles last season.

This idea that a players current form dictates how good/bad he was previously irks me.
 

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Thats cos he was an utter shambles last season.

This idea that a players current form dictates how good/bad he was previously irks me.
I'm pointing out that the criticism of him has always been over the top. Nothing to do with current form.
 

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I'd imagine a lot probably felt he was better in a central midfield role, which is hardly a ridiculous assertion when Fellaini generally been known as more of an attacking or defensive mid.
Not many have said "in a central midfield role" so not sure where you got that from. Besides, it is quite ridiculous because like I said last season half of the people hadn't followed him in his Everton days (comments like he can't pass/is only good when he plays upfront would suggest that).

The comments made in that thread are pretty ridiculous no matter what way you look at it.
 

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So you were irked last season when people said he wasn't good enough for the Premier League?
There were times last season where he was so bad he really didn't look PL quality. He was woeful.

I don't remember anyone saying he was shite for Everton though. Most acknowledged that he was good for them.
 

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There were times last season where he was so bad he really didn't look PL quality. He was woeful.

I don't remember anyone saying he was shite for Everton though. Most acknowledged that he was good for them.
Fellaini was no worse than the rest of our midfielders were last season and at least he had an excuse in the form of the his various niggling injuries. He was abysmal in the big games, but almost everyone else was too, just for some reason no-one bothered to gif all of their mistakes.

I'm surprised by the your second statement. A lot of people on here said he was shite from the moment we signed him. A few of the stereotypes and myths that were bandied around from the moment Moyes presented him - that he's only good in a long-ball team, that's he's too immobile to play in midfield, that he has poor technique, passing etc. were still pretty prevalent until a month or so ago.

I said it last season, but I reckon that a lot of that immediate antimony towards him was sour grapes from people whose only memory of him at Everton was that game at Old Trafford when he bullied our entire team for 90 minutes and scored the winner.
 

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Fellaini was no worse than the rest of our midfielders were last season and at least he had an excuse in the form of the his various niggling injuries. He was abysmal in the big games, but almost everyone else was too, just for some reason no-one bothered to gif all of their mistakes.

I'm surprised by the your second statement. A lot of people on here said he was shite from the moment we signed him. A few of the stereotypes and myths that were bandied around from the moment Moyes presented him - that he's only good in a long-ball team, that's he's too immobile to play in midfield, that he has poor technique, passing etc. were still pretty prevalent until a month or so ago.

I said it last season, but I reckon that a lot of that immediate antimony towards him was sour grapes from people whose only really memory of him at Everton was that game at Old Trafford when he bullied our entire team for 90 minutes and scored the winner.
I certainly agree with the first two statements, less so the third. I think the antimony probably was sour grapes, but due to a number of factors - overpaying for Fellaini, him not being the world class CM like Kroos or Thiago that we had been hoping for, him coming from Moyes old club - in addition to what you said.
 

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I certainly agree with the first two statements, less so the third. I think the antimony probably was sour grapes, but due to a number of factors - overpaying for Fellaini, him not being the world class CM like Kroos or Thiago that we had been hoping for, him coming from Moyes old club - in addition to what you said.
Yeah I'd agree with that, the post-Fergie anxiety combined with the doubt over Moyes meant we all wanted a world class signing and Fellaini got a lot of stick for not being that signing despite costing so much. It only got worse as we did so badly under Moyes due to that connection you mention.
 

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You misread my statement. I said that Fellaini cannot be given the responsibility to dictate play, of course, and partnering him with Mata or Rooney in midfield won't work as they won't be able to dictate play from midfield as well since they're more suited to playing in the final third, creating chances and scoring goals. Same goes for Januzaj and di Maria, and both have shown that they aren't able to control the game from central midfield. In short, we need Herrera in our team regardless of who plays as no one else is like him.

Also, Fellaini's only good midfield performance, for me, was against Chelsea during the first half. Against Man. City, he couldn't do much as he was forced to stay back, and in the rest of the matches, he was average (Crystal Palace) or below average (West Brom/Arsenal) though not as poor as he was at the first few matches of this season.



Yes, the deep-lying player builds from the back and starts off attacks, but it still needs someone to control the pace, tempo, and rhythm of the team. The deep-lying midfielder will be the outlet from the defence and start off attacks, but it still needs a midfielder who can play players into dangerous areas, control our build-up speed, tempo, and passing rhythm, and be the link between the attacking and defensive players. Bayern used the 4-1-4-1 last season, and whilst they did have Lahm starting off attacks, they still needed Kroos or Thiago to build up the attack and control the team's game.

We've missed that sort of a player from our midfield. Rooney and Mata tried to play this sort of a game, but both have shown themselves to be incapable for this. Rooney doesn't have the vision, movement, and mindset to be our playmaker, and the same goes for Mata, who has the guile to split defences and score goals but can't control our pace, tempo, and passing rhythm in midfield. We did well in the first half against Chelsea because Fellaini was very good in supporting Januzaj and allowing him to cut into the middle and play through passes. Against Man. City, we may have been comfortable in possession against Man. City, but on the attack, we created almost no chances and weren't able to get a flow to our game. Of course, the red card ruined it all for us before we could really settle. We saw what happened against Crystal Palace as well. We played too slowly, rigidly, and safely, allowing Crystal Palace to set themselves up, whilst the quality of our attacking players allowed us to be incisive on the attack and create chances. Same thing happened against Arsenal except we kept less possession.



I see you and I interpret "dictate play" differently. It seems as if you see it as a deep-lying player distributing the ball around and playing balls to attacking players, whilst I see it as something that Ozil, Wilshere, Silva, Nasri, Oscar, Fabregas, Iniesta, Xavi, etc., do: control the team's flow, rhythm, tempo, and build-up speed whilst also playing teammates into dangerous areas. It would be good if you could clarify how you define "dictating play".


You say it doesn't work, but it has. If it didn't work, surely we wouldn't have been able to dominate City, Palace, and to a lesser extent, Chelsea? Yes, Rooney and Mata are not used to dropping that deep and dictating play as, like you said, they're used to playing a lot further up, however our this is not to say they didn't and can't do it. Just look at Mata today against Hull.

I disagree. Fellaini, before we got a player sent off, looked good, and like I said, we dominated City. Obviously things changed when we went down to 10, but Fellaini was still getting forward.

Fellaini and Rooney have been playing as a double pivot above the holding midfielder. One drops, one finds pockets. By no means are they Kroos or Thiago types of players, but if they didn't drop for the ball, we wouldn't have such a high possession rate and our midifelders wouldn't pick up a high number of passes. In the game vs Chelsea for example, Fabregas is supposed to be the player who pieces things together for them, i.e. dictate play, yet he had only two more passes (43) than Fellaini (41).

We did look slow and played safe against a Palace who had 11 men behind the ball, but I don't think our midfielders can be blamed for that. Our wingers got into good positions in that game, and in those type of games, you need your attacking players to do something special just like Mata did when he come on.


I interpret it exactly how you do. Players who control the tempo of the game, despite where they're playing. I mean, Pirlo plays in the deeper role for both, Italy (retired now) and Juventus, yet he's always dictating the play, using his great passing range to find players in dangerous areas. Would you disagree?
 

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Looks so much more confident in comparison to last season. That goal against West Brom really helped him and hasn't looked back since. He just looks so calm on the ball. He's even adding in some pieces of flair too. Good on him.
 

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Deserves a hell of a lot of credit for fighting back to save his career here. Many a player would have let everything effect them.

If he keeps playing like this then he'll deserve all the credit he'll get.
This. Most impressed by his mental toughness and attitude. Same with Smalling. It really is astounding how this time last year the guy couldn't play a 5 metre pass to a teammate without over or under hitting it, and today he is playing left footed curlers out to the left wing, first time. He is looking pretty good. Happy for him.

Has to do something about those bloody elbows of his though because they are going to cost us soon.
 

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Tidy and composed. Like every other player in the team, he's doing a lot better than last season because everyone knows and understands their purpose and role. Good to see.
 

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Thats cos he was an utter shambles last season.
Moyes need to shoulder some of the blame here. Last season he was intent on having Fellaini as a holding midfield player which simply isn't his game. We as fans were annoyed because we would watch him lose his midfield runner and didn't offer us any penetration via his passing or runs.

However put him in a midfield 3 with someone else holding and another being creative and he can do what suits his game best - add a bit of a physical presence and link play up. I don't think the player was ever the problem it was the manager who misjudged his ability and put him in positions to show the world his failings
 

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Moyes need to shoulder some of the blame here. Last season he was intent on having Fellaini as a holding midfield player which simply isn't his game. We as fans were annoyed because we would watch him lose his midfield runner and didn't offer us any penetration via his passing or runs.

However put him in a midfield 3 with someone else holding and another being creative and he can do what suits his game best - add a bit of a physical presence and link play up. I don't think the player was ever the problem it was the manager who misjudged his ability and put him in positions to show the world his failings
This, on a other forum i explained that i was against this transfer just because Moyes was the coach, Moyes didn't used Fellaini as he should at Everton, he didn't taught him how to be a box to box or a holding midfielder, he didn't helped him achieve his potential, and i was also worried by his temper.
 

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Let me start off by saying that I have no agenda against Fellaini at all. It seems as if, from your posts, that you believe that I'm criticising Fellaini. Let me say that I'm not criticising him at all for our performances as he's not a direct cause for them. In fact, he was better and more like his true self ever since the Everton match. The point I'm making is that, ever since we lost Herrera, our performances haven't been as good. Our worse attacking performances are not down to Fellaini in any way (as shown from this Hull match). Our main issue was that we didn't have someone who could be our Scholes or Silva in midfield. Fellaini has good qualities, but none of them involve running the midfield and disorganising the opposition defences. Even in Everton, when he was at his best in midfield, he had Arteta control matches or Pienaar, Barkley, Mirallas, and Osman to carve open defences and drag the opposition around. Fellaini, however, was a good supporting midfielder who kept things flowing, provided the creative players the freedom to play their game, and won the ball well to stop the opponents.

Fellaini isn't at fault for our dire football. I'm saying that he won't provide us fluid and exciting football.
 

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Really interesting positioning towards the end, basically playing as a right winger.

I think Van Gaal just opted to have the more mobile one touch passers in the centre running around with their triangles passing poor Hull to death.

It was good to see because it showed Van Gaal recognises his limitations and knows just how to use him.
 

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Thought he was great today. His style of play irritated me in some recent games even when others though he had a good game, but today he was just brimming with confidence and and didn't hinder our play at all.

I was very hopeful when he signed for us even though most wrote him off. Then I joined the bandwagon of writing him off (and rightly so, I would say), but things are looking promising right now.

I did find it amusing though seeing him pop up on the right wing so often. I don't know even why because it worked!
 

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However put him in a midfield 3 with someone else holding and another being creative and he can do what suits his game best - add a bit of a physical presence and link play up. I don't think the player was ever the problem it was the manager who misjudged his ability and put him in positions to show the world his failings
This is exactly how Fellaini can play at his best. Both the defensive and creative midfielder (or two in our case) will make up for his limitations, and he will be able to best utilise his strengths, and Fellaini's strengths provide our dangerous players the freedom to play their game as we saw today.

I'm happy to see him become a useful member of our squad. Even if there are better players out there than him, he's still making himself quite useful, and if he keeps going like this, he can make himself a valuable squad member.
 

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Another good game. Got into foul trouble so he slowed down a bit in the 2nd half. However this was the first time in a long, long time that he had this sort of trouble with fouls so I'll let it slide. It would be nice to see him score another goal soon. He is getting some half chances from set-pieces, just needs one to land perfectly and hopefully he'll bury it. Played his way out of trouble nicely a few times too, was good to see the crowd applauding him. Think we should pursue with him, Carrick and Herrera.
 

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Let me start off by saying that I have no agenda against Fellaini at all. It seems as if, from your posts, that you believe that I'm criticising Fellaini. Let me say that I'm not criticising him at all for our performances as he's not a direct cause for them. In fact, he was better and more like his true self ever since the Everton match. The point I'm making is that, ever since we lost Herrera, our performances haven't been as good. Our worse attacking performances are not down to Fellaini in any way (as shown from this Hull match). Our main issue was that we didn't have someone who could be our Scholes or Silva in midfield. Fellaini has good qualities, but none of them involve running the midfield and disorganising the opposition defences. Even in Everton, when he was at his best in midfield, he had Arteta control matches or Pienaar, Barkley, Mirallas, and Osman to carve open defences and drag the opposition around. Fellaini, however, was a good supporting midfielder who kept things flowing, provided the creative players the freedom to play their game, and won the ball well to stop the opponents.

Fellaini isn't at fault for our dire football. I'm saying that he won't provide us fluid and exciting football.
Since we lost Herrera, we haven't played a diamond, though, so it's hard to judge. Ironically, we went back to a diamond today and played some great stuff, even before Herrera come onto the pitch. This is not to say Herrera didn't improve our play, but I felt Fellaini and Mata, who played a lot deeper yesterday, were doing fine before Herrera come on.

And to be honest, I really couldn't care less whether you have an agenda or not, it just gets boring when people continue to talk about how Fellaini ruins our attacks, when it's there for everyone to see that he doesn't. Like I said, preconceived views. The way you say Fellaini needs a creative player, vice versa. I mean, creative players can only have the freedom to venture forward when they know they have someone like Fellaini who's going to cover for them and get stuck in so it goes two ways. Look how many goals we were leaking before Fellaini come into the team.
 

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He didn't touch the ball and didn't interfere with play. Gibbs and Szechny interefered. With each other.

Even if it was offside, the linesman evened it out with the scandalous Rooney one. Surely that would have been a goal.
Fellaini did interfere with play. Ergo, offside.

But you're quite right about Roo being wrongly called offside...he was through all the way.
 

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it just gets boring when people continue to talk about how Fellaini ruins our attacks, when it's there for everyone to see that he doesn't.
Where did I ever say this? All I said was that he himself won't make us fluid and exciting on the attack.

The way you say Fellaini needs a creative player, vice versa. I mean, creative players can only have the freedom to venture forward when they know they have someone like Fellaini who's going to cover for them and get stuck in so it goes two ways.
I did say this at the post you replied on:
Fellaini, however, was a good supporting midfielder who kept things flowing, provided the creative players the freedom to play their game, and won the ball well to stop the opponents.

He does provide players the freedom to play their game though not necessarily by offering the defensive protection that Blind or Carrick offers but by providing a physical presence that attracts the opposition and, thus, creating space for these players.
 
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Hold my hands up and admit, he's looked good since his cameo in the Everton game.
(He lost his man twice and it needed two wonder saves from De Gea. The Caf was all for lynching him that day. Me leading the pack)

Since then, he's completely transformed. Hope he keeps it up. Still not fully convinced but, pleased.

Goes to show what good coaching and the aura of confidence can do
 

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Yeah, so if we play a midfield 2 of Fellaini and Blind/Carrick with wingers staying out wide exclusively, do you think we'll still play fluid, free-flowing football? That's why I made that point.

Some players won't be creative and provide fluid football just by themselves, but they will allow other players to provide this with their qualities. Case in point: Khedira.
 

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Yeah, so if we play a midfield 2 of Fellaini and Blind/Carrick with wingers staying out wide exclusively, do you think we'll still play fluid, free-flowing football? That's why I made that point.

Some players won't be creative and provide fluid football just by themselves, but they will allow other players to provide this with their qualities. Case in point: Khedira.
Let's not change the subject. The fact is, we were playing a 4141, with 3 centre midfielders, and Fellaini wasn't the problem. Against Chelsea, Palace and City, he moved the ball at speed and give it to our attacking players, who were very wasteful.

Fluid football is a collective effort. The ball needs to be moved around fast by everyone in order to achieve fluid football, and that's exactly what Fellaini has done since he's come into the team. Di Maria, Rooney, Van Persie and Januzaj were all pretty wasteful against Palace, which is why our attack looked so disjointed, but hey, let's blame Fellaini if things aren't going well.
 

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If there is any truth into being on the way out at the end if the summer only for it to get scuppered due to the injury - then very glad for the injury.

I liked the original signing bar the over payment. The presence he has provided recently plus people realizing he is a good footballer. Yet after last season, the reception he got earlier this season and LVG seemingly ok with him leaving figured he had no future here. Even if he becomes horses for courses player and not an every game player - what a stud to have for certain courses.
 

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but hey, let's blame Fellaini if things aren't going well.
When did I ever blame Fellaini for our worse attacking performances? I said that he's not a direct replacement to Herrera and is a different player to him, so he has different expectations for his qualities. You wouldn't expect him to play like Herrera or Silva, would you?

I've never ever said that Fellaini was the problem. I've said that people can't expect him to be creative; he needs others around him to provide that creativity and allow us to play better football. You might be twisting my words because you've seen others criticise Fellaini during that same period and assume me to be one of his haters.
 

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Proved me wrong in a sense that I never thought he'd ever contribute positively to this club.
 

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I remember reading something when Fellaini was injured about van Gaal saying he had an important role to play in the team. At the time it seemed silly because Fellaini had struggled but maybe it was accurate. LVG seems to have a lot of faith in him which is good to see.
 

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He's really growing on me. He looks faster, better first touch, and generally looks a much better player than I've ever seen him so far. Confidence is a big issue for him last season it seems.

I find it ridiculous though that van Gaal knows exactly how to use him in less than 3 months, while Moyer who have work with Fellaini for years failed to do ao
 

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He's really growing on me. He looks faster, better first touch, and generally looks a much better player than I've ever seen him so far. Confidence is a big issue for him last season it seems.

I find it ridiculous though that van Gaal knows exactly how to use him in less than 3 months, while Moyer who have work with Fellaini for years failed to do ao
To be fair everyone looked more and more devoid of confidence the longer last season went on. This season is the complete polar opposite. Even Young and Valencia look improved.
 

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I remember reading something when Fellaini was injured about van Gaal saying he had an important role to play in the team. At the time it seemed silly because Fellaini had struggled but maybe it was accurate. LVG seems to have a lot of faith in him which is good to see.
I was one of those lamenting the fact that he got injured and that prevented his outward transfer. I'm absolutely delighted that he's proved me completely wrong. Like has been said, he's been given a clear role and he's performing it as instructed. What more can you ask. The other thing is that he runs all day long, which is a great asset to have given his physicality.
 
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