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BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Is it possible they're waiting to see if Liverpool win the Europa and they can announce it tomorrow morning to overshadow it in the news stories?
#blindhope
#blindhope
based on our absolutely gutless displays this season, particularly against liverpool in the europa league, i wouldn't be surprised if LVG and Woodward invite Liverpool to OT to extend their celebrations from Merseyside (assuming they win tonight).
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Very good summary. Just came in to post something like this.
Yeah, of course no one has any divine right to finish top 4 & it's great to reminisce about SAF's first few years or the struggles before him. I, unfortunately, wasn't old enough.
But our targets are a means of our status in the game. If we weren't able to spend £250m on the squad, and we depended on youngsters and cheaper players, narrowly missing out on top 4 would have been applauded. But the 2 situations ("pre and post SAF") isn't really comparable at all.
It won't be announced until 30th June. That's when Mourinho said he was going to start his next job. Presumably, there was a clause in his Chelsea contract that prevents him from joining any club sooner than that.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/12/jose-mourinho-management-june-manchester-united
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/12/jose-mourinho-management-june-manchester-united
Another 6 weeks to wait.
WBA essentially defend with everyone except the CF. it's easier for a defender to play there. Even if Blackett plays there he will look half decent.
Anyway It's not relevant how rojo was this season. When we sold Evans we sold the worst CB at the time in our squad. Benefit of Hindsight isn't something available when a decision is made. Same with Nani. We replaced him with someone who did better than him in a poor league. Memphis. Memphis not doing well cannot be foreseen. Fergie once sold shawcross because we had pique and Evans. In hindsight maybe shawcross would have been a better option as pique left and Evans didn't develop like he did. But hindsight wasn't available. It's a similar thing.
Not really. Rooney is much more useful for a team. RvP can play as a striker and that's it. Rooney at least can do a job as a 10 and even in midfield if required. Plus he was our captain with more years on his contract than RvP and also the country captain. Also less likely to be injured. All must have played a part. It seems a pretty sensible choice which every manager would have taken except Fergie maybe. For instance even when Diego Lopez was better than casillas Madrid still sold Lopez. It's easy for us fans to think sell Rooney but there are lots of things to factor in.
Nah, there would no reason that - once LVG is given the flick - they couldn't announce it. Even if that meant he officially started on 1st July, there would be no contractual issue announcing it. Think about when our Nike kit deal was running down, we announced Adidas prior to it starting and while Nike was still running. Same basic principle.
Surely once the FA cup is out of the way there's no real reason to wait though?
I don't think I can cope with another 6 weeks of the possibility of keeping LVG.
It depends on the clauses in Mourinho's Chelsea contract. The fact he mentions a specific date suggests that a move wouldn't be as clean as when we left Nike. Not all contracts are the same. Some include non-disclosure clauses.
Given the faff that's gone on since December (when LvG looked odds on to get the sack) you'd have to imagine that Mourinho has had his hands tied and mouth gagged for the the last 5 months. Otherwise, he'd have been appointed by New Year's day.
Even assuming he couldn't start until that date, there's not really a good reason to suggest it couldn't be announced long before then. Moyes couldn't join until his contract allowed it, we still announced him (shudder).
If there wasn't a load of legal red tape involved, Mourinho would have taken over in January. There's obviously something stopping Mourinho's appointment and, presumably, the announcement thereof.
They could still announce that he will sign on July 1.
Once LvG has gone there's nothing to stop us announcing Mourinho will start on 1st July, even if he can't officially be employed by the club until then.
Incidentally, the link I posted suggests that Mourinho can't even sign until June 30th. That clearly points to some sort of clause preventing the signing of a contract. And until something gets officially signed, nobody's going to announce shit. Not even the sacking of LvG.
We won't announce the signing of a contract until a contract has been signed! Read what Mourinho says. He can't sign anything until 30th June, presumably for legal reasons.
I can just about imagine one where he couldn't sign for a club until the summer, thus forcing us to stick with Van Gaal for the rest of the season and keep quiet so as not to undermine his position. Doing it after he's been sacked would be nonsensical.The statement doesn't even say he has to wait until then, it says he signs one by then. Which has a completely different meaning to what you're saying.
There's absolutely nothing stopping us announcing he's taking over from 1 July. His Chelsea contract will prevent him taking a new post before that date, they can't stop him from finding one and confirming he'll be starting then.
Moyes Everton contract ran till 30 June which is why he didn't start with us til 1 July, it didn't stop us announcing it.
But it's the same with anything, same as players that will sign on 1st July, Mourinho will sign on 1st July but there are many announcements of the ilk before the final contract is signed
Mourinho's second contract with Abramovic was probably quite different form Moyes' with Kenwright!
Abramovic might be a cnut but he can't just rewrite contract law.
Yeah I know, but if you look at the context of that 30th June comment it seems to be 'As long as I'm in a job by 1st, I'm happy' rather than a contractual thing.
Of course there is some conjecture but what possible reason would Chelsea have for non-disclosure clause? You can understand one to stop him managing against them this season but I can't see anything being in it that would prevent an announcement prior to the 1st, even if a clause exists to stop him being employed before then.
They don't even need to announce Mou is taking over. Just tell me LVG is getting fired. That's all I want to know.
Noncompete agreements are fairly common.
Yes, and prevent a person from starting work within a set time frame, not from sourcing a job to start when that time frame ends.
And how do you know this? Where in the article does it say Jose had that sort of agreement?
Jose said in his first statement since leaving Chelsea that he is looking to get back into work immediately. He rejected Real Madrid and other silly offers. The reason we haven't signed him is down to Woodward wanting to give Van Gaal a chance.
I think he was referring to the fact that noncompete agreements are common in contract law. Not necessarily that article.
It was the same case with Moyes and Everton, but he was announced in May. They are not going to keep us in the dark until the end of June
the radio silence and lack of denial from Mourinho
PLUS the radio silence to the rumours from the club
PLUS lack of public support towards LVG
EQUALS Its JoseON
Im now convinced of it.
PLUS the radio silence to the rumours from the club
PLUS lack of public support towards LVG
EQUALS Its JoseON
Im now convinced of it.
Yeah and how does he know Jose has a non compete clause?
That's what I was trying to tell you. He may not be referring to Jose in particular. He was making a general statement that contracts have noncompete clauses.
A defender playing for West Brom is called into action far more than a defender playing for Manchester United. That much is fact.
It is, because you said Evans last year was worse than Rojo (This year if I'm not mistaken?) Anyway, I never had an issue with selling Evans. But saying he's a worse player than Rojo is just silly. Yes, he had a terrible season. But he has also had superb ones. Rojo hasn't been able to put a run of even 3-5 games of consistency for us in 2 years.
You don't need hindsight to know that selling Di Maria, Nani, Wellbeck, RvP and Hernandez would result in goal droughts and a lack of creativity. It was being screamed out by fans and pundits alike very early in the season.
Also, you had an issue with comparing Nani and RvP in Turkey to the playing Premier League because its a lesser league. You can't then use Memphis' dutch league form to defend the logic of replacing Nani at United, a player who had a good 18 months of consistently great form in the Premier League prior to injury.
I never said sell Rooney. I said when faced with the choice of Rooney and RvP (ie by way of a striker, which I didn't specify but was implicated because we are discussing our attack rather than midfield), its obviously RvP. Rooney being deployed in midfield makes selling RvP an even bigger brainfart because he was our only proven goalscorer.
Evans had good seasons when Fergie was here. Since he left he has had handful of good games and is injured most of the time. Rojo was quite clearly the better defender last season. A defender of WBA has more help in the form of a defensive unit. They play 3 DMs sometimes and CBs as fullbacks. It's easier to defend in such a system than otherwise.
That was exactly my point. Nani had a good season in Portugal but Memphis had an even better season in Holland. So it made sense. I was talking about hindsight just in respect to nani. We should have replaced Hernandez (assuming RvP was replaced by martial) and di Maria. Nani last had a decent season in 11/12. He was way past it in this league which was probably why he had to go to what is effectively a European retirement league.
As for selling RvP it was he who wanted to leave to a club where he wasn't second choice.
Edit- plus we didn't have welbeck last year. He sale is the best decision LvG has made in ages
No point going round in circles when we aren't even talking about Jose Mourinho here.
I care little for the Evans point. He isn't worse than Rojo, end of. but Nani came at a time where we had many established attackers already at United. He was a signing for the future and it paid off. Depay was brought in to replace the hope we had for Di Maria, it was such a stupid fecking move its unbelievable
.The sales made no sense because we sold 2 established strikers and got no one proven in (Martial alone was too much of a risk, and it showed because he cannot solely be depended on to win games consistently).
As for selling RvP, he should have been first choice anyway. Selling him is daft, whether he asked to be ahead of Rooney up top or not. He averaged better than a goal every other game despite playing for 2 terrible managers with Man Utd.
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LvG isn't the answer.
Jose isn't the answer.
Giggs isn't the answer.
United still in complete existential crisis.
Jose isn't the answer.
Giggs isn't the answer.
United still in complete existential crisis.
Christ I'm in need of some news about this. It's eerily quiet.
I see a pattern. Do we consider a manager with one more letter in their name each time?
Indeed, I even surprised myself tbh, because like you I have taken a back seat with football recently, watching our games more in hope than expectation, then moving on and forgetting about it very quickly, but something about Van Gaal brought the devil out in me last night, and so the venom and maybe even a bit of bulls**t followed, but I'm pleased I still care, I wasn't sure I did.
feck! Wenger!
We need a Greek manager then!!
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