If Real Madrid are after him, then the only thing left is him paraded in their shirt.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Philosophy.
What does "small step" even mean in this case?
I think if he resigns and is a success, there will not be much embarrassment. It's happened to Barca a few times. It's just that we are the biggest club in the world, so it will always make a better story.
I think if he resigns and is a success, there will not be much embarrassment. It's happened to Barca a few times. It's just that we are the biggest club in the world, so it will always make a better story.
Of course you never know with Raiola, but back then he used 'strong words'. Pogba has never stopped going to Manchester and the connection between him and United hasn't vanished yet.
He definitely rates him, i'm under the impression that at that time the Chelsea board didn't want to fork out ~100 mil for one freakin' player.
I'm having a hunch that they thought Chelsea would walk the league again.
Anyway nowadays Jose is pulling the strings and United could definitely do with a huge 'star' player.
My point is i think Pogba is possible, yeah, i could be wrong, at the end it's pure speculation.
I'm not here for debating whether Verratti is our isn't a great player.
I fully agree with your assessment. Outstanding.
My problem comes up when taking a look at his injury record.
Very prone to injuries, imo, so would the league do him any good?
A lot of matches and the Charly Adam's of this world will surely touch him.
Football is still a 'contact sport', especially in England.
Koke is an unbelievable player, he makes teams tick, nothing exceptional,
but no bullshit, would happily take him. Totally with you.
I think the term 'pacey' has been overestimated for quite some time.
But now we're in for having a disagreement.
I live in the neighborhood of munich, so i have watched Thiago a bit.
Some of my friends thought that Pogba once was a a so-called 'vine-player', meaning sparkly in a short video but otherwise lacking the ability to control a match, organise and lead.
Luckily these days they've made up their minds.
Now there's Thiago, on his day the boy is spectacular, but in my view in the recent months that day didn't come often.
Lots of 'Joga Bonito', there has always to be a trick involved,
but overall misplaced a lot of passes and his decision making was poor.
I really think that the boy is arrogant because he has got great ability with the ball at his feet....furthermore injury-prone and physical not strong enough.
I would stay away, for me Pogba is the better player.
But yeah, agree to disagree in the end.
It's hilarious.
We have made small step towards a possible deal for Pogba. But there has been no contact yet with Pogba or Juventus.
Fax machine has been switched on.It's hilarious.
We have made small step towards a possible deal for Pogba. But there has been no contact yet with Pogba or Juventus.
Agree. Florentino singed James because he was one of the best players in the world cup. Now, I think it will be the same story with Pogba.
Also, Modric is already 30 years old. If Isco fulfills his potential they could have in a couple of years this midfield:
Isco - Pogba
Verrati
It seems that Juventus would sign Pjanic as Pogba replacement. I guess we will sign Andre Gomes or even Matic.Verrati
One of "considering to make bid", "thinking to make a bid", "preparing to make a bid"
The chances of us signing Pogba whilst out of the Champions League is remote imo. I reckon the only move he will make this summer is to Spain at either Barca or Real Madrid, anything else is unrealistic. I would prefer we concentrate on other targets so we do not make the same mistakes in the last 2 windows!
Pogba is currently the best in the world in his position and I would absolutely love us to have him now, but I don't think there's any way in the world that he'd choose us if Madrid or Barca can put together the right fee and salary.
Sad fact.
Sad fact.
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That would be £95M 
Don't think Pogba is a better player than Koke or Modric.
I assume we offered almost 100m to bale in 2013 and muller last year.That would be £95M
If woodward is serious about signing him, I think he will break the bank but whether pogba consider us as possible option is a different matter.
We shouldn't even be having this conversation because he should be plying for us.
Fergie was amazing but he messed up badly with Pogba.
Fergie was amazing but he messed up badly with Pogba.
Those are both great players and I'd love to have either one, but I just favour a more athletic midfielder, one that adds power as well as creativity, I think Mourinho does too.
We've not had a powerhouse in our midfield for way too long now, if we only got Zlatan and Pogba now and nobody else I think I'd fancy us for the league, but I can't see Pogba happening.
We should be toilet papering his statue tonight, imo.
Fergies biggest mistake now is letting Pogba go.
It was Stam. But I always felt that was due to us replacing him with Blanc. Which was a big mistake as he couldn't handle the pace of the league at his age.
It was Stam. But I always felt that was due to us replacing him with Blanc. Which was a big mistake as he couldn't handle the pace of the league at his age.
If Pogba or his agent did have any concerns about going to Madrid I bet since Zidane has taken charge he may have a different view now, no doubt Zidane will sweet talk Pogba.
Or Verratti and Iniesta.
If £95m is what it takes, do it. We would get it back and then some if we ever sell him on to Madrid anyway.
Where would he play?
Casemeiro is doing a fine job there, he's an absolute necessity for Real Madrid.
Simeone:
Don't see him on the bench, Madrid's unsung hero!
Kroos was immense in the Champions-League final, he's got everything a modern day midfielder has to bring to the table. A well built 'german' robot, he never ever loses the ball, always finds a solution, Zidane decided to take him off early in that final and it nearly backfired.
Don't see how the former midfielder Zidane benches Kroos.
Modric: Maybe he's the weak link, pretty stupid, but Real-esque.
He's Real's midfield maestro, he's pure magic, everyone knows it. The Mozard of Balkan!
But he's not good enough for marketing reasons and getting older when taking his age into consideration. There are still rumours that his wife isn't happy in Spain, mhh.
Still not convinced that Real would sell him, Zidane must be 100% against that idea.
But with Perez you'll never know. You're definitely in for a ride.
Anyway Pogba must know that it's hire and fire with Perez. So Zidane could be gone very soon.
I think we, Manchester United, stand a chance.
But we must act quickly, Jose has to pick up his phone and start dialing.
Let's see what happens, mate [big grin].
If this story doesn't come back as "United miss out on Pogba" I will apologize to you.
This will end in tears. I don't know why we (the Caf, Woodward, the club) do this to ourselves.
My inner muppet has a feeling we have a small chance with Pogba. Never took the others like Neymar and Messi seriously.
He said he still loves the club and has been talking well about what happened and Fergie tried to fix it by going round to his house but it was too late.
If he does come back he will obviously have to be sold on Jose tuning things around pretty quickly. I also think he may fit in better in the UK. It does seem though that he wants the Madrid Barca step and is looking to play with Messi/Ronaldo and these are coming to an end. I think we have 20-30% chance.
Interesting how Pep's City have pulled out. I guess they've been told unequivocally Madrid Barca.
He said he still loves the club and has been talking well about what happened and Fergie tried to fix it by going round to his house but it was too late.
If he does come back he will obviously have to be sold on Jose tuning things around pretty quickly. I also think he may fit in better in the UK. It does seem though that he wants the Madrid Barca step and is looking to play with Messi/Ronaldo and these are coming to an end. I think we have 20-30% chance.
Interesting how Pep's City have pulled out. I guess they've been told unequivocally Madrid Barca.
It will be stupid and vain to spend more than £45m on Pogba. He's not in the Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar class. Not a crucial signing; just a very useful player. This United team currently have too many weaknesses throughout; so at least half the team needs improvement. Then the squad. I have nothing against galacticos; but United have a hard time identifying who they are! The club give Rooney £250k/w; Mata and Scheinstiger
£140/w. Even Young £110/w! RvP's wages were too high as well; one excellent season followed by mediocracy. Meanwhile Leicester win the league paying £35/w to their best, and Spurs highest paid isn't even on £100/w.
This just stinks of management convincing themselves that one player will bring about a totemic magical transformation. I blame Cantona; that was an exception; not the norm. Consider this:
Number of players rated XX or better (whoscored rating)
--------------- >= 7.1 ---- >= 7.7
Spurs ------------ 10 --------- 1
Arsenal ----------- 9 ---------- 2
Leicester --------- 9 ---------- 1
Man. City --------- 8
Liverpool --------- 8
West Ham -------- 6 ---------- 1
Man. United ------ 6
Do Spurs, Arse, City, 'pool, Leicester, West bloody Ham pay their players more than us? No. Yet the best of their squads are rated above us.
£140/w. Even Young £110/w! RvP's wages were too high as well; one excellent season followed by mediocracy. Meanwhile Leicester win the league paying £35/w to their best, and Spurs highest paid isn't even on £100/w.
This just stinks of management convincing themselves that one player will bring about a totemic magical transformation. I blame Cantona; that was an exception; not the norm. Consider this:
Number of players rated XX or better (whoscored rating)
--------------- >= 7.1 ---- >= 7.7
Spurs ------------ 10 --------- 1
Arsenal ----------- 9 ---------- 2
Leicester --------- 9 ---------- 1
Man. City --------- 8
Liverpool --------- 8
West Ham -------- 6 ---------- 1
Man. United ------ 6
Do Spurs, Arse, City, 'pool, Leicester, West bloody Ham pay their players more than us? No. Yet the best of their squads are rated above us.
One extra thing that might sway Madrid into going with a big bid, Pogba is becoming a more of a marketers dream in each passing month now he's a young man. I believe Beckham really helped them at that time when Madrid wasn't really capitalising off the pitch as you'd expect and Pogba could be another door for Madrid to increase their interest globally.
~£90m is an obscene amount of money for Pogba. But hey, not my money.
There will be another thread in September or before then, filled with rage. Discussions on how Ed is a terrible CEO, how critical it is for us to hire a Director of Football before we fade into oblivion and how the Glazers are bleeding us dry because of that one report in Daily Star that said the Glazers told Ed not to make a bid.
It's going to be fun.
Once Madrid comes in, it's over. Therefore, this is over. Meh. Not really bothered.
The thing is... they both can do things the other cannot, so much so, that they would be more likely to be paired together than compared directly. Saying 'CM' when neither of them play the role the other does in their respective team at club or international level, is misleading. I was expecting you to name a midfielder in Pogba's position who was 23 and better than him, as you stated. That player isn't Verratti as if you asked him to affect play in the myriad of ways Pogba can, he'd be as ineffective as Pogba would be at sitting deeper and playing a metronomic game with a rock solid defensive contribution ala Verratti.
If we bought Pogba, he's in the team to be an #8 LCM or #10; you have Verratti, and you're putting him at #6 or right in the middle of the park as a different kind of #8 to Pogba. You would expect next to no defensive contribution, but a massive offensive impact from the former, and pretty much the opposite from the latter.
This is what I mentioned earlier about Pérez, and where I think there's a shot for other clubs: Pérez will be reluctant to pay the astronomical wages for Pogba until he has a breakout tournament - if Pogba is a star of the Euros, I am certain Pérez will bump the wage proposal up to be more in line with what Pogba could get elsewhere.
You're the only club in the world who could think of using such a defensively irresponsible and erratic player at #6. It would be an absolute waste of a young Pogba as he should be at the other end of midfield hurting opposing teams with his passing, shooting and dribbling ability. Maybe when his legs have gone and he is more able to play a dour and sensible game in 8yrs or so would that be the ideal way to use him.
Unfortunately, Zidane will know exactly how to use Pogba and get the best out of him as they have many similar traits, and interestingly enough, will probably play almost the exact same position at RM should Pogba go there.
They have to pay what he can earn elsewhere, or at least come within touching distance of it, which is why I said Pogba would be a fool to go there before being an established superstar in his own right. If he does go beforehand, he's taking less money to do so, which would mean he really, really wants to go there and nobody else stood a chance. Fair play if that's the case, but I don't think it is.
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That's ridiculous. I hope we don't fund his move to Real by overpaying for James Rodriguez.
He's nowhere close to being the best CM in the world.
I think the guy is seriously overhyped. As for being the best CM in the world I think is a stretch, plenty of other midfielders out there Id rather have playing for us.
Kroos, Modric, Koke, Verrati. But for Pogbas age and the potential the guy has I would take him back to the club, the fee though is far too high. Then again the club has the money available to buy him, market him correctly and the fee wont see such an outlay. Hopefully Mourinho could get his game to the next level and make him World Class.
Kroos, Modric, Koke, Verrati. But for Pogbas age and the potential the guy has I would take him back to the club, the fee though is far too high. Then again the club has the money available to buy him, market him correctly and the fee wont see such an outlay. Hopefully Mourinho could get his game to the next level and make him World Class.
Verrati is the best out there and miles ahead of anyone. Koke have shown more than pogba and he seems to boss the mid whenever i see him . I missed out on Saul too who performed better than Pogba.Of course you never know with Raiola, but back then he used 'strong words'. Pogba has never stopped going to Manchester and the connection between him and United hasn't vanished yet.
He definitely rates him, i'm under the impression that at that time the Chelsea board didn't want to fork out ~100 mil for one freakin' player.
I'm having a hunch that they thought Chelsea would walk the league again.
Anyway nowadays Jose is pulling the strings and United could definitely do with a huge 'star' player.
My point is i think Pogba is possible, yeah, i could be wrong, at the end it's pure speculation.
I'm not here for debating whether Verratti is our isn't a great player.
I fully agree with your assessment. Outstanding.
My problem comes up when taking a look at his injury record.
Very prone to injuries, imo, so would the league do him any good?
A lot of matches and the Charly Adam's of this world will surely touch him.
Football is still a 'contact sport', especially in England.
Koke is an unbelievable player, he makes teams tick, nothing exceptional,
but no bullshit, would happily take him. Totally with you.
I think the term 'pacey' has been overestimated for quite some time.
But now we're in for having a disagreement.
I live in the neighborhood of munich, so i have watched Thiago a bit.
Some of my friends thought that Pogba once was a a so-called 'vine-player', meaning sparkly in a short video but otherwise lacking the ability to control a match, organise and lead.
Luckily these days they've made up their minds.
Now there's Thiago, on his day the boy is spectacular, but in my view in the recent months that day didn't come often.
Lots of 'Joga Bonito', there has always to be a trick involved,
but overall misplaced a lot of passes and his decision making was poor.
I really think that the boy is arrogant because he has got great ability with the ball at his feet....furthermore injury-prone and physical not strong enough.
I would stay away, for me Pogba is the better player.
But yeah, agree to disagree in the end.
But the point with pogba is he have the talent and tools to match Verrati. As you said Pogba lacks the the ability to control a match, organise and lead. Thats kinda the same issue with alacantra.. On his day alacantra is more close to verrati but that rarely happens. He is physicall fine for me but injuries is what that block him from taking a position along Koke and Saul as of now. ( could be one of the reason why Bayern bought Sanches though ) . Its just he potentiall very good and have shown the talent too.
The whole football world watched Barca assembling Neymar-Suarez-Messi trio which is an injustice to all other clubs in terms of talent. And something says me to Barca will go after Verrati and Dyabala in a couple of years which could make them almost close to unbeatable.
If we sign Pogba for 100m , its fantastic . He is talent and he will win you titles and moreover his value will alwyas increase. But if we somehow manage to sign Verrati/Koke then thats something special. Its just I think they are better talents and worth the money (not saying pogba is not worth it ).
Note : We should leave the RW spot free for Dyabala next summer.
I suppose that's a yes then. Back to the drawing board for me.
Except none of the four mentioned are available.
Understood cheers. But he was still quite highly rated by Fergie, wasn't he?