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He has done absolutely nothing this game apart from that bad pass that nearly made a Belgium goal.
I said this in the first half:One bad pass and now he's crap. The cafe never fails to amuse.
He's done nothing. Conte clearly agrees with me.Don't think he's doing that well to be honest.
That's the cafe. Subed off now, but apart from that pass, he really didn't do anything wrong. More or less kept KdB completely quiet down the Italian left side.One bad pass and now he's crap. The cafe never fails to amuse.
"Under a good manager, he does well". Lets completely ignore the very good seasons from De Gea, Smalling, Martial, Rashford, Fosu Mensah, Shaw (up to injury) and decent showings from Fosu Mensah, Blind, Valencia... have you considered that Darmian might have played shit because he's shit?Sorry, LVG was like so totally amazing. He brought the best out of players. I wish he stayed! Where did I lay all the blame on LvG?
If his confidence is damaged it's unlikely to be magically repaired just because he's playing for someone else now. It can take time.Looks like his bad form can't be blamed solely on Van Gaal.
And I repeat, I did not solely blame LvG for his season but he did not get the best put of the player. Darmian is not as bad as people are saying having watched a bit for 2 seasons at Torino and for Italy, prior to joining United. Conte is a better manager tactically and he somehow gets out good performances from Darmian."Under a good manager, he does well". Lets completely ignore the very good seasons from De Gea, Smalling, Martial, Rashford, Fosu Mensah, Shaw (up to injury) and decent showings from Fosu Mensah, Blind, Valencia... have you considered that Darmian might have played shit because he's shit?
I agree with you there mate, I was just replying to the idea that he was complete shit. The jury is very much out on if he can make it at United and right now I think he'd be behind Valencia when the season kicks off unless he really impresses Jose in pre-season.Fair enough mate, just over the last 6 months or so i keep seeing people make similar statements ''you don't play for Italy unless you are a good defender'' etc. as if playing for Italy is some sort of stamp of approval of defensive excellence.
That may have been true 10-20 years ago but the current standard of Italian defenders is at it's lowest that i can remember in my lifetime.
I don't think Darmian is a truly horrible player, he was awful for us last year yes. I hope he improves massively next season i think he's capable of it if he shows a bit more bravery in getting forward. But it's also possible he's not actually as good as he appeared to be in Italy.
Second only to his total unwillingness to contribute anything going forward most of the time, my biggest worry about Darmian is his fitness.Looks a bit unfit, slow and laboured. Plays like a 35 year old, needs to do something about his fitness.
Common theme of being Vangled. "Don't mess up or you are dropped.." You could deduce three or four players playing like this last season. Darmian especially being a fullback.It's amazing how bad some players can be under certain managers, times last season he couldn't string a pass together.
Well no, a multitude of bad passes over the season, countless poor positionings, numerous times outmuscled, various times out paced, frequently falling to attack with the ball and umpteen times lacking an intelligent supporting run is what has lead us to the opinion that he is shit.One bad pass and now he's crap. The cafe never fails to amuse.
Sadiq El Fitouri is the worst player I've ever seen represent Man Utd at any level. Darmian ruined England's left side and built up enough goodwill at Torino that most fans were happy for him.Sell him. United have 10 players on their books who play right full back for the first team or reserves (more if you include the other U-18s). Some of these are highly rated. I've heard good things about Reid, Olosunde, and Williams. Joe Riley had a game where he played flawlessly (even at LB). Some people rate Varela better than Darmian, and he certainly attacks more, and is to my eyes clearly more skillful. If we keep Darmian as second choice, these other players have their careers hindered. Surely one of these prospects will turn out better than Darmian? Mourinho might not think like me but even he must know that he can't bring another player in while Darmian is paid £60k/week.
---------------------------- D-o-B -------- Age ---- Pay
Antonio Valencia ------ 04-Aug-85 ----- 30 ----- £70k/week
Matteo Darmian ------- 02-Dec-89 ----- 26 ----- £60k/week
Guillermo Varela ------ 24-Mar-93 ----- 23 ----- not that much
Sadiq El Fitouri -------- 10-Oct-94 ----- 21 ----- even less
Donald Love ----------- 02-Dec-94 ----- 21 ------ ..
Joe Riley --------------- 06-Dec-96 ----- 19
Charlie Scott ---------- 02-Sep-97 ----- 18
Tyler Reid ------------- 02-Sep-97 ----- 18
Matthew Olosunde ---- 07-Mar-98 ----- 18
Ro-Shaun Williams ---- 03-Sep-98 ----- 17
All this talk about £200m available in the transfer kitty, really means: Up to £100m plus another £100m from what can be raised from transfers out.
@limerickcitykidSell him. United have 10 players on their books who play right full back for the first team or reserves (more if you include the other U-18s). Some of these are highly rated. I've heard good things about Reid, Olosunde, and Williams. Joe Riley had a game where he played flawlessly (even at LB). Some people rate Varela better than Darmian, and he certainly attacks more, and is to my eyes clearly more skillful. If we keep Darmian as second choice, these other players have their careers hindered. Surely one of these prospects will turn out better than Darmian? Mourinho might not think like me but even he must know that he can't bring another player in while Darmian is paid £60k/week.
---------------------------- D-o-B -------- Age ---- Pay
Antonio Valencia ------ 04-Aug-85 ----- 30 ----- £70k/week
Matteo Darmian ------- 02-Dec-89 ----- 26 ----- £60k/week
Guillermo Varela ------ 24-Mar-93 ----- 23 ----- not that much
Sadiq El Fitouri -------- 10-Oct-94 ----- 21 ----- even less
Donald Love ----------- 02-Dec-94 ----- 21 ------ ..
Joe Riley --------------- 06-Dec-96 ----- 19
Charlie Scott ---------- 02-Sep-97 ----- 18
Tyler Reid ------------- 02-Sep-97 ----- 18
Matthew Olosunde ---- 07-Mar-98 ----- 18
Ro-Shaun Williams ---- 03-Sep-98 ----- 17
All this talk about £200m available in the transfer kitty, really means: Up to £100m plus another £100m from what can be raised from transfers out.
What do you mean by good? He never had outstanding attacking stats. He's a defender. Watching his clip at Torino, it looks like he was never an attacking full-back. He defends. When we're playing against a team who've parked the bus is it really useful to have 5 players who'll play no part in attack: RB, 2 × CB, LB, and DCM? I don't hate Darmian. I just think the team needs more creative full-backs who can support their winger. Maybe not both at once, but one at a time on which ever wing the ball is. Is it really asking too much?Was this guy actually good before joining us?
If yes- why give up on him so fast? He might have been Vangled.
If no- why was he so overrated?
He looked so good at the beginning of the season, was jealous of a mate who had snapped him up at Comunio. Won 'player of the month' against the likes of Shaw and Smalling, had the right mix of attacking and defending in him, no one could take him out. Don't know what happened..."Under a good manager, he does well". Lets completely ignore the very good seasons from De Gea, Smalling, Martial, Rashford, Fosu Mensah, Shaw (up to injury) and decent showings from Fosu Mensah, Blind, Valencia... have you considered that Darmian might have played shit because he's shit?
I'm just glad Sadiq is finally getting some recognition.
Italy set up 5 3 2 when defending then went 3 3 4 when attacking. he played as a wingback and was mostly used as an outlet to help bring the mids in play or someone for the strikers to knock down balls towards so that the rest of the team could transition into attack. Was actually well done from conteAny idea he was playing as left winger? I think that he was playing more advanced than Giacherini, though I wasn't that concentrated on the match. Still weird to see him playing there, considering that attacking isn't his strongest ability.
Don't think the caf seems satisfied with that. From the posts about fullbacks on caf, I could deduce that many caftards will only appreciate a full back if he is bombarding the side regularly. It is as if defending is secondary.That's the cafe. Subed off now, but apart from that pass, he really didn't do anything wrong. More or less kept KdB completely quiet down the Italian left side.
I think Italy were playing 3-5-2Any idea he was playing as left winger? I think that he was playing more advanced than Giacherini, though I wasn't that concentrated on the match. Still weird to see him playing there, considering that attacking isn't his strongest ability.
They were playing with wingbacks, yes.I think Italy were playing 3-5-2
Yep that is strange. I think Darmian is a good Defender. Wingback did not suit him that well but he was quite ok.Don't think the caf seems satisfied with that. From the posts about fullbacks on caf, I could deduce that many caftards will only appreciate a full back if he is bombarding the side regularly. It is as if defending is secondary.
Some caftards even seem to be fine if the fullback's sudden burst forward creates a feckin hole in defense, as long as the player is running full speed into the attack.
Nope many just realize that in the modern game, especially if you are a big club who will play against many teams that just sit back and defend deep you need your fullbacks to be able to attack as well as they defend. Teams parking the bus need to be stretched to create space, fullbacks play a part in this.Don't think the caf seems satisfied with that. From the posts about fullbacks on caf, I could deduce that many caftards will only appreciate a full back if he is bombarding the side regularly. It is as if defending is secondary.
Some caftards even seem to be fine if the fullback's sudden burst forward creates a feckin hole in defense, as long as the player is running full speed into the attack.
Or I don't know it's a tactical decision. Not every time a player gets dropped it's cause he's 'useless'.Dropped against Sweden. Was useless against Belgium and Florenzi is a better player.
Would suggest that, since he was also taken off against Belgium as their first sub.Or I don't know it's a tactical decision. Not every time a player gets dropped it's cause he's 'useless'.
That sub was pre-planned, Conte said he would change a wingback on 60 minutes. Darmian wasn't that bad the other night.Would suggest that, since he was also taken off against Belgium as their first sub.