Wait so England going out is his fault as well?
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Now that's really pushing it...
Main difference was Giggs was fit and looked after himself. Rooney on the pitch looke like he is in his 40's and is so slow and looks tired and weak. Its why I'm at the point where we would be better off without him. Bench player at most. Players like scholes and giggs had their great technique and intelligence, but even at their old age were fit and agile so if used properly could have a good impact.
I literally said, in the quote that it was unsurprising.Spare us the crap. It's not as if he's been putting in consistent top level performances. On the contrary, he's been subpar for the majority of the last 3 seasons now, and that's putting it nicely. You're surprised the knives come out after one game?
Giggs at 35+ vs Rooney at not-even-31-yet. Giggs at 35+ also didn't start that often. It's quite shocking to see how a player has run out so early.
So, you all will keep starting him, right? :P
Rapidly declining? No.
Decline slowly since 2010? 100% in my eyes.
He peaked in 2010. Never been rated as highly as then.
It's his body largely. He did feck all to look after himself and it cost him.
It don't have to be a problem. All a manager needs to do is demand standards. The worst thing managers sometimes do, is ignore bad performances. We're talking about a player who's been playing since he was 16. I would hope that Jose is strong enough because he's going to have to man manage Wayne far better then Moyes and LVG and various managers have. A lot of mistakes he makes are sloppy play and a loss of concentration. So they need to work in his head more then anything. Any forward pass is a risk and that's ok - for me, we should be looking to correct the aspect of him when he get's sloppy and messes up simple passes. When there's no pressure and perhaps he get's a bit too relaxed. That has to be corrected in his game and that is what Jose has to demand. The rest is just practice practice practice.
very likely
Is that an airport, is he flying to China?
That's our midfield.
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Go treat yourself Roo, you deserve it.
In fact, take a permanent break. You've earned it.Go learn a new language, try new cuisines, give a new sport a go!
People are being overly critical. I am confident Mourinho will see his worth in the team. He's largely had a good 2016 apart from a few bad matches (and a disastorous one against Iceland I hear - I didn't watch it)
If by January he truly is halting us Mourinho will relegate him to the bench. Honestly, like so many of our players who have been shit I want to see them in team that isn't Van Gaal'd or Moyes'd.
If by January he truly is halting us Mourinho will relegate him to the bench. Honestly, like so many of our players who have been shit I want to see them in team that isn't Van Gaal'd or Moyes'd.
Read a book.
This is such a misleading statement. The season ended by May (not even half the year had gone by then). Discounting the FA Cup final and the last couple of League games after we'd failed to qualify, which meant there was nothing on the line, he was by and large average after an atrocious and below average 2014-2015.
I think he was better than average. Most of the bad games (during 2016) were exaggarated to me.
Holding our club back, literally a burden at this point. We should be aiming for much better than a burnt out former striker, turned CM, who's speciality is a terrible first touch and the most predictable hollywood pass out to the right on a consistent basis. Also, for someone so meaty, he seems to get knocked off the ball in midfield quite easily too. 
Rooney does not fall into this category of players, as does Fellaini. They were "key" to Moyes' and LvG's plans and so they should have struggled less than the other players. These 2 IMO just don't have the ability. The other players suffered for mismanagement and flawed tactics, they were not lacking in ability hence why their main areas of struggle were in concentrations, decision making, poor tactical discipline and poor positional awareness. Picking all the segments, currently Rooney and Fellaini, don't more ability than Schneiderlin, Schweinstiger, Mata, Herrera, Memphis. Rooney might have better mental abilities by virtue of experience but not physical or technical abilities. That is why I have more hope in them developing into better players in a better environment.
I couldnt disagree more. He was one of the worse players last season and shoehorning him into our team did and will hinder us. He cant play as a striker anymore and he just isnt a good midfielder
I think Shamans is talking about 2016 only. And Rooney was certainly pretty good in 2016. I think his bad games were only vs Southampton to certain extent and Iceland iirc. And in each of these games, you can say that everyone was poor and not him alone. You can curse him for West Ham game, but again, Roo created the 2nd goal and the defence was poor that game.
Hello? The year isn't over yet.
His "good" games all lasted about 45 minutes too before he reverted to his usual form. The decent performances are a blip amongst the bad ones.
I just dont think he's a great midfielder. He is extremely one-sided, repetitive. Look at the performance of the top midfielders and compare it to Rooney. I doubt he'd start for any of the top 6 teams
You're forgetting that the Caf logic is that the first half and second half of the same game are actuality 2 different games. The same way the first half of the season is actually not part of the whole season.
My worry is when you see a team without any long standing players they seem to either be sublime or awful. I'm talking Liverpool/Spurs, do they suffer from not having that experience sometimes?
When Jose won the leagues with Chelsea and Real, there were hardly any long serving players in the squad. I'm in support of clearing out the old to make way for the new. We have enough experience in Zlatan and Bastian and Jose but more importantly we need leadership and ability, stuff the more senior players in Rooney, Carrick, Valencia, Fellaini, Young and Mata lack.
He did have Terry/Ramos. Not sure if it makes much difference off the pitch but I agree Rooney should not play on merit.
They were both young players upon Jose's arrival.
I don't really care whether Wayne is having a luxury holiday or not but, bloody hell, the ridiculous scrutiny top players are under...there must be about 50 photos in this stupid article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...in-straight-crashing-Euros-cost-88-there.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...in-straight-crashing-Euros-cost-88-there.html
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I always wonder the type of people who do these jobs. Taking pictures of people on vacation. What a great contribution to society.
He's an overrated, overpaid, sack of shite who's been average for seasons. He is everything that is wrong in both United and England yet continues to get a free ride. The sooner he is sold or dropped permanently the better.
promote this guy.
This guy gets it.
Finally some well balanced, objective opinion which describes the situation perfectly.
Never known a player have so many excuses made about him. It started with his mates in the media blaming the tactics, then the players around him and finally its finished with him changing positions. How hard is it to accept he's finished as a player? Why can't people move on, he's simply a shadow of the player he used to be and doesn't possess the skills to become a player good enough to play in our midfield. I can't remember this happening to any other player at United. As for his leadership qualities, he's hardly a Keane or a Robson; He's comfortably the worst captain we've had in my time watching United. Most of us have played in team sports and would have respected the captain, I wouldn't respect Rooney the way I'd have respected Robbo, Bruce, Eric, Keane & Vidic; They were all leaders of men whilst Rooney isn't.
He peaked as a player at 24 and has been in decline ever since, he still had a very good season at 26 but ever since then he's been a million miles away from a world class player yet his earnings have resembled that as one of the best players in the world. He was only 27 when Fergie knew he was finished as a United player yet going on 31 in a few months he's still here mainly because none of our big names have ever been replaced. Thankfully Mourinho doesn't care who he upsets and once he gets a good look at Rooney close up he won't be first choice.
He peaked as a player at 24 and has been in decline ever since, he still had a very good season at 26 but ever since then he's been a million miles away from a world class player yet his earnings have resembled that as one of the best players in the world. He was only 27 when Fergie knew he was finished as a United player yet going on 31 in a few months he's still here mainly because none of our big names have ever been replaced. Thankfully Mourinho doesn't care who he upsets and once he gets a good look at Rooney close up he won't be first choice.
But factually correct. Well, bar the sack of shit part.
This should be taken as gospel.
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