Anyone with even half an eye can see that Wayne Rooney is feckin useless now.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
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Just get rid of the position entirely, all those players can play from the wing, I'd even argue Mkhitryan and Lingard are better out wide and that's where Mata, Memphis and Young have played for us just about since joining. Get a midfield three of Pogba, Herrera and Blind or Schneiderlin, let them gel and Bob's your uncle.
The problem is if he got dropped/rested whoever comes in would get literally a single game (maybe not even that) to prove themself or Rooney walks immediately back into the starting XI. He can go 8 games without a goal and barely a shot but Mata/Mykhitaryan/Herrera better bang a few goals in and be MotM or out they go. He's been part of the team for over a decade so it's going to take an extended run without him in the side for everyone to get used to him not being there and new partnerships to form. I just wish he's push a referee over or something.
Problem is, rooney will be dropped / rested in a game where a lot of other changes are made (so its not really a full team minus rooney, eg vs Feynoord). We will have a unbalanced team that does just as bad and then people will say "see, Rooney isnt a problem".
One thing that isnt mentioned is how hes always looking for an easy way out. What i mean is if you look at the goal we scored and compare his reaction vs the reaction of Rashford. Rooney is looking for a cheap handball decision, whilst Rashford is looking to score. And its happened quite a few times before when the ball is close to him, but he appeals hoping for a freekick or penalty.
One thing that isnt mentioned is how hes always looking for an easy way out. What i mean is if you look at the goal we scored and compare his reaction vs the reaction of Rashford. Rooney is looking for a cheap handball decision, whilst Rashford is looking to score. And its happened quite a few times before when the ball is close to him, but he appeals hoping for a freekick or penalty.
Despite the goals, the thing that Zlatan has over the other players is that no player in our squad can lead the line as good as he does. Rooney on the other hand, we have players that can was replace him
Even if we lose 10 games in a row without him i don't want to see Rooney in the first team again.
Time to move on. Legend, but his time is up.
Time to move on. Legend, but his time is up.
Who has defended him?
Mate what are you arguing here? That Rooney is treated no differently to other players?
As opposed to shot stopping?
Just watched a highlight, or should I say low-light video of Rooney's performance today. He was shockingly bad.
Last time one of our older senior players had a performance like that, he announced his retirement. He now works for Sky.
Last time one of our older senior players had a performance like that, he announced his retirement. He now works for Sky.
I'm really surprised at the u turn you fellas have made. Well done in being objective I suppose but I'm just surprised it's only taken this game for you to switch opinion.
Now imagine somebody calling you a hater for wanting him dropped after today. Maybe you can understand our frustration a little.
I really don't want to have a go at you but do you play any football or understand the idea of cause and effect?
Your insistence that Rooney's play doesn't affect others is ludicrous. Nobody is absolved of any blame for their individual game but Rooney is absolutely a big reason to why others play so sh|t.
There's two sides of every coin and you're just siding with the one...that happens to give Rooney benefit of the dobut in every situation.
Your reasoning: Rooney doesn't operate 'enough' as a playmaker therefore he's not the problem.
Flip side: He's the problem because he doesn't get himself involved enough. As others have said countless times, he only finds those pockets of space where he can't threaten and has all the time in the world to play simple passes i.e further away from goal/no pressure/deep in midfield. Even then he's terrible.
Your reasoning: Rooney isn't a playmaker so he shouldn't be expecting to dictate play.
Flip side: He's the furthest one up the pitch apart from Zlatan yet he couldn't affect anything in the final third because he has the touch of a donkey and he's incapable of playing a straight central forward pass because it requires a good touch and some vision. He absolutely is a play maker in that position. Unfortunately it impacts us negatively.
Your reasoning: The long ball to Valencia is great because he only plays it when he sees it and Valencia is great at finding space.
Flip side: He literally plays it 7-8 times out of 10 and that's his go to move. Every time he does that, he's basically taken away the chance to drive at the defence or pass to his striker or other players in space.
Your reasoning: Pogba is poor because he was poor.
Flip side: Yes he was poor but how can he build any momentum of play when he can't rely on the furthest player up the pitch to pass back to him in a good positon or trust him to control the damn ball in tight situations.
You don't think how a central defender's peformance can be affected by say a tentative keeper or his defensive partner? You don't think a midfielder's perfomance can be affected by the defenders behind him or the players in front of him? Etc etc. Rooney is an abomination of a player that sucks up the space in the most important part of the pitch. Nothing's gonna change overnight but giving him benefit of the doubt still? Crazy (ily bias).
That's probably it.There are a couple of terrible moments missing in the video posted a couple of pages back. Which I have included here:
I remember at the time thinking who the hell passed it to Rashford and Pogba in that manner around 0:48. Turns out it was Rooney. lol
Add the stupid foul and yellow card at the end when he lost his temper.
The team as a whole played better in the second half whereas Rooney was the opposite and got worse as the game went on.
That 0:48 moment
Must be tough times for @nick2004, trying to rationalize what's happening these days, given that he's an utter Rooney fanatic AND an utter Mourinho fanatic.
Can't believe he lasted the entire 90 again. I find it sad watching him play not only because he's been clearly holding us back for over 3 years now, but beause he's a United legend and it sucks seeing him in this shape.
This. Somehow his best attribute has become his worst one. The old Rooney never lost the ball, not so much the current one. This has a massive impact on his overall game as well, and it's easy to see. Unless he has 10 feet of free space around him, he becomes very cautious.
He is.
The attention he gets means that he is now playing into the stereotype.He is actually trying too hard now.
Benching him could turn out of be a masterstroke for Jose. Media won't create a hue and cry as everyone knows that he is done and it will send a message across the squad that shit performances won't be tolerated.
If Fergie could bench Rooney three years back when he still something in the tank, Jose can bench him now when he is running on empty. Do it Jose.
If Fergie could bench Rooney three years back when he still something in the tank, Jose can bench him now when he is running on empty. Do it Jose.
Thin margins at the top level. He now operates at a significantly lower intensity than he once did, physically and mentally, and it's those split seconds that now see him lose balls he once never did. His game has gone and, significantly, it looks like he knows it and his confidence is going with it.
Benching Rooney now will not necessarily solve our problems though.We might drop him and still lose like the last time we did against Stoke on boxing day .Then Jose will just panic and bring him back and we are back to square.
The key is to drop him and change our formation completely. The 2 men midfield isn't working and we don't really need a 10 in this formation at all. That makes Rooney's position obsolete.He isn't good enough a player for us to play a formation that gets less out of everyone else.
The Pogba-fellaini pivot is ineffective as Wayne and would need to be canned too.A ball dicating mid us a must.
We have to create a side that doesn't require us to fall back into the Rooney trap because they will lead us nowhere.
He was, as usual, horrendous today, but the funny thing, or sad depending on how you want to go about it, was that it wasn't even his worst performance for us. That performance against Aston Villa away last year is the worst performance I've ever seen from a professional footballer. Not just from a United player, any player ever from the sport itself.
I was watching and after it went out of play the commentators were putting all the blame on Shaw's weight of pass, and I was thinking "what on Earth?" It wasn't the best ball from Shaw by any means, but it deserved a lot better than Rooney's horrific control.
Rooney tells the ref to eff off, sudden cries of "ROONEH ROONEH ROONEH" can be heard from the Stretford End.World class at debating with the ref thoughRooney is the best
I agree. Rooney is a huge problem but he is not the only problem. Simply dropping him won't magically turn us into an attractive winning team. If we were looking for proof, we'd need to only go back as far as Thursday night.
Agree wholeheartedly with the rest of it too. We don't have an exceptional number 10 and our midfield options are suited for a different set-up. The dream is that dropping Rooney will make the manager utilize the rest of the squad to it's ability.
jesus, jsut because we played 8 new players who barely played together and are lacking match fitness, against Feynoord doens't mean we would struggle the same without rooney, Rooney's inclusion in the team is absolutely essential to how we perform. Just give ANYBODY, Micky, Lingard or anyone the same amount of games as no10 and we will definitely improve over time, it's clear that you can't suddenly raise the game of the whole team when the team is so fecked up by his presence in a essential position on the pitch...
I agree with the change of formation and that nothing is perfect but kicking out rooney is the most important thing for us this year and for our future..
I agree with the change of formation and that nothing is perfect but kicking out rooney is the most important thing for us this year and for our future..
The very first pass that went into throw-in, I kept waiting for a playing to appear on screen as I couldn't believe he'd mess up such an easy thing....
I suspect that Mou plays Rooney because of the record. The club wants to give him the chance to break it while still being an important part of the team. Otherwise, the sight of him crawling up to Charlton's record would take a lot off the supposedly unique event. Still stupid from the club. To ruin the season because of the record is not worth it at all. Play him in the cups, he will score there the necessary goals.
No really he played worse against Southampton and Bouremouth. Tragic what has happened to him but it's much more than a slump in form.
Lol, haven't read the thread. No doubt more pages and pages of catatonic Hodor'ing of "Rooney!.. ROONEY!". The babies can have their bottle today because it was a very poor outing for the entire team and Rooney shoulders his fair portion of his fair share the loss. I thought he looked decent enough in between Watford's goals and in the second half was starting to get into a rhythm after we scored ours. I still can't imagine how frustrating it must be to make a run off your man to the edge of the area for a simple 5-10 yard cut back only to watch time after time a player womp the ball to the keeper or over the man at the far post or into the first man. The square ball is on so many times and he's in acres of space and nobody plays it. I guess if that is some crumb of comfort, that is all I can give.
That was hilarious, they were bending over backwards to not criticise Rooney.
"Deary me, some of the fans in the stadium have managed to catch a bunch of bullets with their faces. It seems they originate from the AK Rooney is pointing and firing at the stands. Why didn't they get out of the way, silly fans" - Danny Murphy, probably.
Can't disagree with the initial point of your post but my God the double standards where Rooney is concerned are quite special. Rooney had half a season to play himself into form and didn't; this year he's had five games and is getting worse but Mkhi and the rest of the alternatives have had their United careers quartered and butchered on less than ninety minutes of football, no wonder we are in the doldrums if all it takes to lose your chance is one poor outing which surprisingly doesn't apply to the most prominent and constant participant of the laat couple of disastrous regimes.
I would take the time to formulate a lengthy response but I'm pretty sure you're the guy who talks about vertical runs all the time.
But basically yes the forwards get as much of the ball as they want minus zlatan who is dependent on others for service. Most of our attacks went through the left side last season through martial so i'm not sure why people have the idea we play down the right because Rooney wants us to, its just a weak observation, yes he plays that pass a lot, but it doesn't change our overall game.
Rooney isn't accountable for Pogba's games, stop making excuses for the worlds most expensive player or anyone else, its going to hit some hard when it turns out dropping rooney isn't the panacea you seem to think it is, everyone else is playing shite because they are, that's it, irrelevant of rooney. how many times did pogba see the ball yesterday just to lose it and kill the momentum? absolutely nothing to do with rooney.
He is not the only problem but dropping him and playing proper midfielder will be the biggest step in right direction.
He was very poor again yesterday and whilst he needs to be dropped there are other areas which are a problem.
I completely lost my shit when he he failed to keep that ball in play on the right hand side from Shaw's(?) pass... that was my "I'm done with Wayne Rooney" moment.
Has anybody said he's not the only problem yet?
The reason they dont play it is because he will either spoon it over, mis-control it and loose possession, or spanner it towards the corner flag. He is done, finished, kaput, as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest, or a chocolate fireguard, or an ashtray on a motorbike, or a handbrake on a canoe, or tits on a fish, or a spoon in a knife fight. He has delusions of adequacy, he is at rock bottom and still digging. He is out of his depth in a puddle, he is grossly crap --144 times crapper than crap.
If he was any less use he would have to be watered twice a week, and if he really believes he has nothing to prove he has ridiculously low standards, which he constantly fails to meet.
He. Is. Finished. Accept it and move on from denial to anger, let the process continue, we are here for you.
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