Everton would be a good loan move for him.
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I hope he succeeds elsewhere, just not currently good enough for us in my opinion.
I'm not one of these old time football fans that pines for the 'Good ol' days of footballers earning £500 a week, I'm 22 myself and Lord knows I'd be a cnut with Memphis wages.
Still, it seems he's had too much too soon, he'd emblazoned the headrests in his Rolls with 'M7' before even establishing himself as our new number 7.
It seems to be more of an attitude problem with him, maybe he thinks he's already 'made it' being here, there's players with half his talent that have put in better performances in the league than he has in his time with us so far.
Perhaps a move away to a club like Everton will make him realise what's in store for him if he doesn't buck up his ideas.
Still, it seems he's had too much too soon, he'd emblazoned the headrests in his Rolls with 'M7' before even establishing himself as our new number 7.
It seems to be more of an attitude problem with him, maybe he thinks he's already 'made it' being here, there's players with half his talent that have put in better performances in the league than he has in his time with us so far.
Perhaps a move away to a club like Everton will make him realise what's in store for him if he doesn't buck up his ideas.
In my opinion a loan move to Swansea would be better suited for him. Playing alongside Gylfi with a striker like Llorente or Borja Baston as a target man would be a good proposition for a talented winger attempting to find back some form. He'd basically have no competition for his place, thus get shitloads of gametime as he'd automatically displace Routledge. Swansea's biggest problem seems to lie in vulnerable defence which lost its biggest asset in Ashley Williams, but when Fernandez does come back thier back four's performances should improve by some distance to what can be witnessed as of now.
The only downside would lie in fact that he wouldn't be the first set piece taker there, although Sigurðsson is a right footer so Memphis could share those duties with him.
The only downside would lie in fact that he wouldn't be the first set piece taker there, although Sigurðsson is a right footer so Memphis could share those duties with him.
If it is true then he has to take the chance to go and play some football. I dont reckon he has a future with us anymore but it would be nice to let him go to another top club and let him rebuild some confidence. It wouldn't hurt his resale value also if he did perform well while on loan, Everton are a good team who try and play nice football so the move makes sense.
Him going to Everton in January and winning game time whilst competing against Mirallas, Deulofeu and Bolasie is as idealistic as him making it here at United. It's cul de sac of a proposed loan move.
Scored a nice header vs Luxembourg. The cross was from Blind too.
And a free kick.
And a free kick.
Came on and scored 2 for Holland tonight. He's mainly looked good for the national team and was brilliant in the Dutch league, I really thought we had the next Hazard type of player with Memphis feck knows whats happened with him at United.
Lets loan him to Lille for one year and just maybe it'll turn out that you were right. (they also lack wingers)
He's mainly looked good against poor opposition. That's the real pattern. I hope he's not one of those that excels based on physical attributes but has nothing left to offer when those attributes are matched, but it does look that way.
Sadly... The only matches I can recall being impressed with him in have been Midtjylland and Club Brugge :\
I can't really understand all the comments wondering whats went wrong with Memphis. It's painfully obvious he's suffered a massive lack of confidence. The lad has a lot of talent, natural ability as well as good physical attributes. He obviously came to the wrong manager at a crucial time in his development. LVG spent a full year coaching the confidence right out of him and trying to change his natural game. Now we're left with a player so different to what we bought, that he can't even get into the squad, yet the only way he will ever get back to his best, is by someone giving him a chance and having some belief in him and helping him get his confidence back.
He will always be a Nani type player. Someone who, in form is a devastating player and exciting to watch, yet can also look like a terrible player when going through a bad patch. The thing is, though, those types of players are match winners and crowd pleasers. I'd love to see him back to his best and I hope he goes out on loan and proves to Mourinho that he deserves a chance under him.
He will always be a Nani type player. Someone who, in form is a devastating player and exciting to watch, yet can also look like a terrible player when going through a bad patch. The thing is, though, those types of players are match winners and crowd pleasers. I'd love to see him back to his best and I hope he goes out on loan and proves to Mourinho that he deserves a chance under him.
Memphis is a flat track bully, plain and simple. He has the potential to be more if he works hard sure, but two goals against Luxemburg change nothing.
I have to agree
Really? Anytime I've watched him for the NT, he's generally been extremely poor.
Why on earth do people say this? How comes RAShford and Martial looked better last season under LVG? Why didn't he 'coach' their confidence out of them? We can blame LVG for some things, but I just don't get this particular argument.
I think he could still be a success for United. He should have a run of games and the trust from the manager, and that could do wonders. The problem is, that we are still not successful and still in transition after Fergie. A lot of managerial change and new ideas. This isn't the best environment for some players to develop.
You should not forget that Hazards last season was a disaster. Now with the right system, the right coach and the success Chelsea have Hazard is a world-beater again.
It's too easy to seperate players into good or bad. There's so much more influencing their performances. Just look at Martial, our man of the season from last year. This year, with the managerial change he hasn't the support he needs and when he's brought on in a game he doesn't look confident enough.
You should not forget that Hazards last season was a disaster. Now with the right system, the right coach and the success Chelsea have Hazard is a world-beater again.
It's too easy to seperate players into good or bad. There's so much more influencing their performances. Just look at Martial, our man of the season from last year. This year, with the managerial change he hasn't the support he needs and when he's brought on in a game he doesn't look confident enough.
I think the game against Arsenal was his best performance. But yea the rest of his performances were very poor and only showing up when facing poor team in Europe league or FA. I hope we won't see any excuses about Luke Shaw's injury affects Memphis's performance. I think it's time to say that he's poor or just not ready. Loan + whoever wants to pay his wage will do fine imo. Selling him is not a bad idea as well.
There seems to be a desperation to discredit anything a player does. Especially Memphis. It's a good header and a good free kick no matter who is it against. I don't know if he meant it, but the free kick dips and bounces right infront of the goalkeeper, making it incredibly difficult to deal with. It's a good hit.
The comparisons with nani are baffling to me. Nan's problem was delivering consistently at the high level he was capable of. On song, he was our best attacker capable of absolutely everything. It wasn't even a case of him only bringing that vs weak opposition, he could rip any team up. Memphis on the other hand doesn't seem to have it to get the better out of quality opposition. Relies far too much on his physical attributes which will simply not cut it in the PL. His dribbling for a winger is absolutely terrible. When Ashley Young is a better dribbler than you, you have a problem.
Not really, I can hate LVG for all the reasons but fact is that he's one of the people who very much trusted in Memphis, he played him in the NT, he brought him here, you can't really ask for more belief in somebody. It's just either lack of abiliy or proper attitude, or both.
Or just a young lad struggling to adapt to a new country/club/football in his first season.
100% spot on.
Just because he bought him doesn't mean he trusted him as much. Memphis obviously needed the confidence from his manager but LvG and his trusting of players was misguided. Had he put as much confidence in Memphis as he did in the likes of Fellaini and Rooney maybe we could have seen a different player.
I also remember him being very good against Shrewsbury Town
I don't get that either. If that was say Rooney with two goals against Luxembourg, some will put their house up in confidence that he will bag a hat trick against Arsenal. It's not like Holland were exactly cruising before he came on. Just give the kid credit, it's an international not a club match!
Bollocks
... in rigorous system unsupportive for offensive players.
He pretty much ruined his own career by bulking up. The lad genuinely can't dribble anymore and isn't the fastest player out there. No amount of experience or minutes will change that.
Indeed - never once seem him look 'devastating'.
I see we're back to the "Lacks confidence" phase after his annual good performance against third rate dross.
The Nani comparisons have always been absurd even when we signed him let alone after a season of dogshit performances. I said at the time, he'll do well to reach Ashley Young's level. Unfortunately, he's been closer to Bebe/Obertan levels than Young.
The Nani comparisons have always been absurd even when we signed him let alone after a season of dogshit performances. I said at the time, he'll do well to reach Ashley Young's level. Unfortunately, he's been closer to Bebe/Obertan levels than Young.
I think it's more about the system coaches use - Depay was the one who was the next big thing, the hype around him was ridiculous. Physically, technically, stats you name it he was miles above Firmino despite being so young.
Depay joined us at the worst time possible and is now barely a bench-warmer. Firmo was awful in his first season but Klopp uses him well now, his system suits players like Mane, Firmino etc. These guys aren't exactly Messi, Hazard etc but don't need to be - they are direct in a non-complicated system and have Coutinho behind them who is unbelivably good. Look at Martial, he hasn't looked that great under Mourinho but, put him in Klopp's front three, and he would be unbelivable.
That's quite a well reasoned, well thought out argument, you've put forward, there. Give me some time to properly respond to all the salient points you made and I'll get back to you in due course. Thanks for the input.
Memphis was doing fine until LVG decided Martial would be better from the left wing, and that the captain "shall Always play" something then changed and his lack of playing time really hurt him. His cameos were never effective and it's gone wrong ever since then.
I disagree. He played well in one or two matches, but was invisible in most.
He was playing at a level we expected, a young dutch player getting used to a new league. He and Martial were linking up really nicely and there partnership was starting to look fruitful. Once Rooney came back it just wasn't the same.
I disagree. He played well in the qualifying champions league match but was very poor in the premier league matches.
Van Gaal wanted him to be cutting in and taking on defenders like Robben does. He wasnt doing that. Martial was and hence took Depays spot.
Is there absolutely nothing Rooney can't be blamed for?????
Rooney had nothing at all to do with Memphis not having the right minerals to be a success at United. I'm a big believer in the old saying 'you can't get blood from a stone'. Everything has limitations, Memphis is most likely not good enough.
This I agree with. A lot of ifs and buts, but Martial had remained up top (who knows whether he is much better there) and Memphis was allowed to grow on the left, maybe things could have worked out differently. But the moment Rooney was reinstated, and Martial shifted to the left, we were never going to know what might have been.
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