[Handré1990]

Really hope he gets into the team tomorrow. Regardless of how good or bad people thing he was v Wigan, I'm so tired of seeing Darmian at LB, and even Blind who is just too slow. Shaw had a couple of nice runs with the ball leaving a couple of players in the dust, and that's exactly the sort of thing our attackers need to find space and take advantage of rattled oppostion players positioning. If not, I really hope we bring in a new LB this summer

 

[The Wanderer]

I think Shaw looked like he was totally out of his depth against Wigan. He was the only player on the pitch who looked uncomfortable receiving the ball. He will only touch it with his right foot, as a last resort. This seriously limits his overall play and makes him, at times look like an amateur footballer, not the most expensive full back in the world.

He can put a good cross in the box and can work a one two to good effect down the wing but that's it for me. Mourinho may think the same, as he didn't even make the bench in the following game against Hull.

I don't think his injury has anything to do with his form, he was one footed when we bought him. Maybe it's a lack of confidence though ?

 

[pascell]

Mourinho may think the same, as he didn't even make the bench in the following game against Hull.

Or maybe Jose wanted to put some faith in Blind? We played Hull at home, they were definitely going to sit back and park the bus so what's the point risking another injury for Shaw when he wasn't really needed? Imo he was saved for the Leicester game so he can play 90 mins vs Mahrez who'll pose a bigger threat than the Hull RM.

 

[The Wanderer]

Or maybe Jose wanted to put some faith in Blind? We played Hull at home, they were definitely going to sit back and park the bus so what's the point risking another injury for Shaw when he wasn't really needed? Imo he was saved for the Leicester game so he can play 90 mins vs Mahrez who'll pose a bigger threat than the Hull RM.

Haha ! you seriously think Mourinho didn't play Shaw because he didn't want to risk injuring him against lowly Hull ?

Was it not that he played a weakened side against Wigan in the FA cup and then played his strongest side in the premier league, where a top 4 finish is the Holy Grail ??

 

[balaks]

Or maybe Jose wanted to put some faith in Blind? We played Hull at home, they were definitely going to sit back and park the bus so what's the point risking another injury for Shaw when he wasn't really needed? Imo he was saved for the Leicester game so he can play 90 mins vs Mahrez who'll pose a bigger threat than the Hull RM.

I admire your optimisim.

 

[pascell]

Haha ! you seriously think Mourinho didn't play Shaw because he didn't want to risk injuring him against lowly Hull ?

Was it not that he played a weakened side against Wigan in the FA cup and then played his strongest side in the premier league, where a top 4 finish is the Holy Grail ??

Yes, why risk him and give him extra time to recover from the game at the weekend. He's just come back from a lengthy lay-off so there's no need for him against Hull with the amount of fixtures we have this month. Why does it seem its unrealistic for Jose to show faith in his squad?

He did play a weakened side vs Wigan as we have players that need minutes in the squad. But Mkhitaryan, Smalling & Rojo played last night and vs Wigan and we also brought on Mata and Rooney to get us a goal last night, both who started against Wigan. So if we have to bring on players deemed to be 'weaker' than our strongest XI who can't find the net, there's something terribly wrong with our strongest XI.

 

[balaks]

Yes, why risk him and give him extra time to recover from the game at the weekend. He's just come back from a lengthy lay-off so there's no need for him against Hull with the amount of fixtures we have this month. Why does it seem its unrealistic for Jose to show faith in his squad?

He did play a weakened side vs Wigan as we have players that need minutes in the squad. But Mkhitaryan, Smalling & Rojo played last night and vs Wigan and we also brought on Mata and Rooney to get us a goal last night, both who started against Wigan. So if we have to bring on players deemed to be 'weaker' than our strongest XI who can't find the net, there's something terribly wrong with our strongest XI.

Shaw is crying out for games to get match fitness back and build his confidence - if I was Jose and if I felt he was a good player I'd be playing him as much as possible. Either there is a physical reason he is unable to play two matches in a row (in which case that is very bad news for his career in general) or Jose just doesn't think he is up to it (in which case it's bad news for his career at Utd).

 

[Zoo]

First step is for Shaw to stay injury free.

 

[11101]

Or maybe Jose wanted to put some faith in Blind? We played Hull at home, they were definitely going to sit back and park the bus so what's the point risking another injury for Shaw when he wasn't really needed? Imo he was saved for the Leicester game so he can play 90 mins vs Mahrez who'll pose a bigger threat than the Hull RM.

I think Darmian will be back in for that. As much promise as Shaw has right now he is defensively the weakest of our three/four LB options. Until he gets back to his previous self he should be a cup player for a while.

 

[balaks]

I think Darmian will be back in for that. As much promise as Shaw has right now he is defensively the weakest of our three/four LB options. Until he gets back to his previous self he should be a cup player for a while.

Is that true though? I thought the defensive side of his game was meant to be his strongest and he needed to work on his end product in attack?

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

It seems that Shaw is in the same bracket as Martial - players that Jose just doesn't seem to rate that highly. Both may well be gone in the summer.

 

[11101]

Is that true though? I thought the defensive side of his game was meant to be his strongest and he needed to work on his end product in attack?

One on one he's great but his positioning needs a lot of work. When he plays watch how many times teams get space in behind down our left flank. He seems to get caught upfield a lot.

It's probably partly fitness related but he did it a bit pre injury too.

 

[sincher]

I like him and think all he needs is a boost of confidence and a run of games. Noone else has done well at left back this season anyway.

 

[m1y2]

How can anyone suggest Blind on the left back over Shaw seriously, ppl are nuts.. anyone on the left wing would play better immediately with Shaw behind even him out of form or shape..

 

[m1y2]

It seems that Shaw is in the same bracket as Martial - players that Jose just doesn't seem to rate that highly. Both may well be gone in the summer.

it's not the "I don't rate you" bracket it's more "you gotta show me more because I know you can be much better" bracket. It's the Micky T treatment.

I have no problem with that but we need to have alternatives, on the left there's very poor Darmian or average Blind, neither is a Mourinho player but play more because other are not up to work harder to get back. In Shaw case it's more about confidence and fitness, he was injured for a long time even this season, I guess we shouldn't overplay him because players after longterm injuries like the double leg break, ACL, tend to suffer form hamstrings a lot but perhaps it's a mix of everything think Shaw should play now 2 in three games to get some rhytm...

 

[m1y2]

I think Darmian will be back in for that. As much promise as Shaw has right now he is defensively the weakest of our three/four LB options. Until he gets back to his previous self he should be a cup player for a while.

Shaw is our best defender by far even now, it's his offensive contribution which is to be desired...

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

I think we will part ways with Shaw this summer. It's something we might regret in 4 years time, after he's moved to a club that has less pressure and gives him the games he needs to get his confidence back. It will take more than a few months to recover mentally.

Unfortunately, Mourinho doesn't have the time to be patient with him. He needs to get results and next season a title will be expected.

Injuries like his are always incredibly sad. Wenger would have stood by him, but that's why he's not as successful as other managers.

 

[balaks]

I think we will part ways with Shaw this summer. It's something we might regret in 4 years time, after he's moved to a club that has less pressure and gives him the games he needs to get his confidence back. It will take more than a few months to recover mentally.

Unfortunately, Mourinho doesn't have the time to be patient with him. He needs to get results and next season a title will be expected.

Injuries like his are always incredibly sad. Wenger would have stood by him, but that's why he's not as successful as other managers.

Lol I love the totally unnecessary dig at Wenger at the end of your post.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Players in midfield/ forward lines make runs after they build up a trust and understanding of how the FB's play. Switching from Blind to Darmian To Shaw isn't helping IMO, we need to decide on our best back line and play that when possible, players need to build up cohesion and understanding in their play.. all this switching means the LW may not make the run if it's Blind rather than Shaw or come inside as he isn't used to what the full back will do.

 

[RonaldoVII]

He's just hired a friend of a friend to be his full time personal chef. Hopefully helps with his fitness and stops his fat ass growing more

 

[buckooo1978]

Is he injured?

Becuse there is no other viable reason for him not to be in the squad let alone the starting lineup

 

[JON.B]

The amount of criticism he gets by fans is pathetic. Anyone who suffered an injury like that at a young age, never mind a footballer would find the psychological side effects difficult to overcome.

 

[Jazz]

The amount of criticism he gets by fans is pathetic. Anyone who suffered an injury like that at a young age, never mind a footballer would find the psychological side effects difficult to overcome.

Well our manager is certainly not the one to help him.

 

[buckooo1978]

The amount of criticism he gets by fans is pathetic. Anyone who suffered an injury like that at a young age, never mind a footballer would find the psychological side effects difficult to overcome.

Who is criticising him?

 

[Cassidy]

Who is criticising him?

Many have been

 

[FujiVice]

Heard from that Beyond the Pitch podcast with that Phil De Brun guy and Danny Higgenbottom that there's rumours Luke Shaw suffers from depression and his focus on the things you need to be focussing on as a young player isnt at the level of player with his age and potential. Maybe the reason he isnt playing every week is for bigger reasons that physical fitness.

 

[The Wanderer]

Heard from that Beyond the Pitch podcast with that Phil De Brun guy and Danny Higgenbottom that there's rumours Luke Shaw suffers from depression and his focus on the things you need to be focussing on as a young player isnt at the level of player with his age and potential. Maybe the reason he isnt playing every week is for bigger reasons that physical fitness.

Yeh ! it's because he is nowhere good enough for the premier league. His basic skill level is pathetic. He is so one footed, that I find it incredible that he is a professional footballer.
Mr Woodward has a lot to answer for , wasting £30m on a teenage flash in the pan.
Also I no longer have any faith in Paul Scholes's evaluation of a player because he and that scouser Michael Owen, predicted Shaw would be the best full back in the world.

Paul and the Scouser almost got it right, he is the most expensive defensive flop in the world.

 

[Castia]

Yeh ! it's because he is nowhere good enough for the premier league. His basic skill level is pathetic. He is so one footed, that I find it incredible that he is a professional footballer.
Mr Woodward has a lot to answer for , wasting £30m on a teenage flash in the pan.
Also I no longer have any faith in Paul Scholes's evaluation of a player because he and that scouser Michael Owen, predicted Shaw would be the best full back in the world.

Paul and the Scouser almost got it right, he is the most expensive defensive flop in the world.

Yeah mate he's championship level. Jesus Christ.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Yeh ! it's because he is nowhere good enough for the premier league. His basic skill level is pathetic. He is so one footed, that I find it incredible that he is a professional footballer.
Mr Woodward has a lot to answer for , wasting £30m on a teenage flash in the pan.
Also I no longer have any faith in Paul Scholes's evaluation of a player because he and that scouser Michael Owen, predicted Shaw would be the best full back in the world.

Paul and the Scouser almost got it right, he is the most expensive defensive flop in the world.

He's still only 21 by the way.

I can't believe some of the rubbish I read on here at times especially in your assessment of his technical ability. Being over reliant on one foot as a full back isn't a big deal as most of his attacking play will be on the overlap and attacking space much like Valencia which is why after some shakiness over the years he is still able to look like one of the better RB's in world football this season. For a player who relies on his left foot so much his close control and dribbling at pace is very good once he gets going (see the video below for examples). Add to that his positional ability which is exceptional for his age and his strength and you have a worldclass LB in the making who just needs time, patience and games.

It is not unknown for a young player to have a very good start to his career at a new club (as he did under LVG) before taking a temporary back step under a new manager. As long as we don't do anything stupid and sell him before he reaches 24 or thereabouts we'll be fine and I would bet on him being seen as money well spent at the end of his career in much the same was as Rio was at the end of time here (after an initially shaky start also).

 

[Ban]

Yeh ! it's because he is nowhere good enough for the premier league. His basic skill level is pathetic. He is so one footed, that I find it incredible that he is a professional footballer.
Mr Woodward has a lot to answer for , wasting £30m on a teenage flash in the pan.
Also I no longer have any faith in Paul Scholes's evaluation of a player because he and that scouser Michael Owen, predicted Shaw would be the best full back in the world.

Paul and the Scouser almost got it right, he is the most expensive defensive flop in the world.

What are you on? I'd like to try it.

 

[Leftback99]

Yeh ! it's because he is nowhere good enough for the premier league. His basic skill level is pathetic. He is so one footed, that I find it incredible that he is a professional footballer.
Mr Woodward has a lot to answer for , wasting £30m on a teenage flash in the pan.
Also I no longer have any faith in Paul Scholes's evaluation of a player because he and that scouser Michael Owen, predicted Shaw would be the best full back in the world.

Paul and the Scouser almost got it right, he is the most expensive defensive flop in the world.

Unless they also predicted that he would have a career threatening injury and would be out for a year then those opinions are irrelevant now.

He was widely regarded as one of our best performing players at the start of last season. There is no telling if he'll get back to the level he was at but there's still plenty of time to do so.

 

[LouisDanGaal]

I think its simply psychological. We have seen in glimpses he still has his pace and his power so he can get back to his level. Problem is being out of action for that long he is rusty and won't be fully confident for a while now. I wouldn't expect him to lock down the leftback spot this season, but think he will be first choice again next season.

 

[The Wanderer]

He's still only 21 by the way.

I can't believe some of the rubbish I read on here at times especially in your assessment of his technical ability. Being over reliant on one foot as a full back isn't a big deal as most of his attacking play will be on the overlap and attacking space much like Valencia which is why after some shakiness over the years he is still able to look like one of the better RB's in world football this season. For a player who relies on his left foot so much his close control and dribbling at pace is very good once he gets going (see the video below for examples). Add to that his positional ability which is exceptional for his age and his strength and you have a worldclass LB in the making who just needs time, patience and games.

It is not unknown for a young player to have a very good start to his career at a new club (as he did under LVG) before taking a temporary back step under a new manager. As long as we don't do anything stupid and sell him before he reaches 24 or thereabouts we'll be fine and I would bet on him being seen as money well spent at the end of his career in much the same was as Rio was at the end of time here (after an initially shaky start also).



That video confirms my opinion, that he is too limited in his basic skills to be at a top club.
Real Madrid or Barca wouldn't take him if we offered him on a free transfer.

 

[The Wanderer]

What are you on? I'd like to try it.

I am not a sheep,following the general fans opinions. I look with my own eyes.
If he is so good then why didn't he even make the bench against Leicester. ??

 

[Terminator]

Luke Shaw is very good technically. Has a great first touch, good pass and vision on him. All his problems stem from mental issues IMO, recovering from a year long injury is not that easy.

He is going to be an amazing left back either here or somewhere else.

 

[Marcelinho87]

It seems that Shaw is in the same bracket as Martial - players that Jose just doesn't seem to rate that highly. Both may well be gone in the summer.

I don't think he doesn't rate them I think it is more he doesn't trust them to follow his instructions.

I think he expects the LB to be more defensive that attacking and I think he expects the LW to track back, something which Martial isn't very good at.

 

[Ban]

I am not a sheep

Good for you.

 

[wc18]

Yeh ! it's because he is nowhere good enough for the premier league. His basic skill level is pathetic. He is so one footed, that I find it incredible that he is a professional footballer.
Mr Woodward has a lot to answer for , wasting £30m on a teenage flash in the pan.
Also I no longer have any faith in Paul Scholes's evaluation of a player because he and that scouser Michael Owen, predicted Shaw would be the best full back in the world.

Paul and the Scouser almost got it right, he is the most expensive defensive flop in the world.

This is the football fan in 2017 everyone. Just spewing absolute shite...it's ridiculous really.
Not good enough for the premier league? He played in the PL when he was 16 or 17 and was one of the best left backs in the league.
This guy must be on a wind up.

But seriously I think he's just had a really rough time getting back to 100% mentally and physically from his injury, which is completely understandable.
He's got age on his side, I just hope he has a good support system around him to lift him up in times like these.
Really hope Jose doesn't get rid of players like him and martial.

 

[LonelyFire]

First step is for Shaw to stay injury free.

The first step for Shaw is to start realising the opportunity he has - and on the cusp of losing.

 

[LonelyFire]

It seems that Shaw is in the same bracket as Martial - players that Jose just doesn't seem to rate that highly. Both may well be gone in the summer.

I don't think it's got anything to do with not rating them. It's abundantly clear they have tons of talent but that's not enough to be a top level player.

The hoopla from fans around these two bemuses me. Mourinho's job is to put Utd back on top of the pile - not to be some glorified youth development coach. The bottom line is Martial and Shaw are fragile mentally and they have to show they are prepared to fight to get in the team. If they run to their agent/best mates at the first sign of difficulty, can we honestly say they have the bottle/attitude to play for Man Utd? Not for me. It's equally important for them to be strong as well as talented. Half the problems we have right now are due to mental fragility.

I'd love both of them to be a success but what's more important to me is Utd as a whole.