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No one was expecting him to play tomorrow anyway. Clear agenda from a tweeter that used to cover Southampton and always mentions Shaw's situation even when it's not relevant.

@top1whoisman Where are the Mourinho quotes on the bottom of the last page from? They're on a few web-sites but I've watched all the post-match interviews and press conference and he never says that.
 

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No one was expecting him to play tomorrow anyway. Clear agenda from a tweeter that used to cover Southampton and always mentions Shaw's situation even when it's not relevant.

@top1whoisman Where are the Mourinho quotes on the bottom of the last page from? They're on a few web-sites but I've watched all the post-match interviews and press conference and he never says that.
Don't know about the tweeter, but there was a clear, separate question about Shaw playing tomorrow. Can't remember where those were from, but I usually don't post quotes from those fan accounts without checking if they're legit. Just post the quotes on google and see what comes up. Can do it later, but I have to go now.
 

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Don't know about the tweeter, but there was a clear, separate question about Shaw playing tomorrow.
Yes, probably from the tweeter.

What about the Mourinho quotes about him working hard? Just very curious because like I said, I haven't seen those quotes in any interview or press conference since Saturday. Unless he's done a one-off interview with a random media station on a random weekday.
 

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Yes, probably from the tweeter.

What about the Mourinho quotes about him working hard? Just very curious because like I said, I haven't seen those quotes in any interview or press conference since Saturday. Unless he's done a one-off interview with a random media station on a random weekday.
Do not know, don't know the journos' faces. Edited my previous post :)
 

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He shouldn't start over Blind right now, because Blind played well at the weekend. That said Blind will likely get skinned (even did a couple of times by Niang) and cost us a goal at some point which will provide an opportunity for Shaw and it's up to him to grab it.

I am comfortable with how Mourinho is handling this because he's creating competition within the squad for spots instead of instantly slotting players back in whose top end might be higher, but have underwhelmed in their performances or in training over players ahead of them. Imo that is healthy for the squad in many ways as nobody can get complacent even if they're playing well since they know Mourinho will drop them if their level drops and players currently out of the starting XI or even the bench know that if they remain patient and keep putting the work in they will get an opportunity.
 

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Shaw will probably play in the FA cup, not worried. We ideally need him against Southampton to deal with Redmond.
 

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Shouldn't be surprising. Mourinho likes a settled team, and more than anything he likes a settled back four. Shaw's best chance of games is in the FA Cup.
 

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No one was expecting him to play tomorrow anyway. Clear agenda from a tweeter that used to cover Southampton and always mentions Shaw's situation even when it's not relevant.

@top1whoisman Where are the Mourinho quotes on the bottom of the last page from? They're on a few web-sites but I've watched all the post-match interviews and press conference and he never says that.
Like I said, just google the quotes and you shall find your answer.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ews/manchester-united-news-luke-shaw-12592872
 

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Shaw will probably play in the FA cup, not worried. We ideally need him against Southampton to deal with Redmond.
I'd say there's a 1% chance of Luke Shaw starting in the final. That's being generous.

Shaw will be used only when needed, and will likely be moved on this summer. Unfortunate, but that's Football.
 
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Shaw will be used only when needed, and will likely be moved on this summer. Unfortunate, but that's Football.
You really believe that?

No team would pay remotely close to what it would take us to "wipe our hands" of such a talent at 21 yrs of age after such an injury and long layoff. Much more likely is that after such a bad injury he'll be back in after a full strong pre-season and Mourinho will decide in August what to do from there regarding strengthening that full-back position.
 

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You really believe that?

No team would pay remotely close to what it would take us to "wipe our hands" of such a talent at 21 yrs of age.
I certainly do. Mourinho clearly doesn't like him.

We'll take a loss. Obviously he's not worth what we paid for him at the time. His stock hasn't risen.
 

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You really think so? I think he likes him a lot, it's just that he hasn't fully recovered from his injury yet and Mourinho waits for no-one, he has no time to help a player like Shaw get back to his best whilst there are points to be played for.
And you think there will be time for him next season?

Mourinho likes mentally tough players who will pay through the pain. Shaw isn't capable of providing what he needs, so I think he'll let him move on to rebuild his career.
 
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And you think there will be time for him next season?
I already answered that @WhoDaGOAT

No team would pay remotely close to what it would take us to "wipe our hands" of such a talent at 21 yrs of age after such an injury and long layoff. Much more likely is that after such a bad injury he'll be back in after a full strong pre-season and Mourinho will decide in August what to do from there regarding strengthening that full-back position.
My bet is that Shaw will find form and confidence again in the non-presurised pre-season, just as he did in his second season with LVG.
 

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If he doesn't play in the FA Cup; then he's got a job to ever rescue his united career.
 

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What do you think is good about his technical ability. He has a decent first touch and composure but in terms of crossing, passing, creative passing (assists, key passes in his career) and dribbling, he's bang average.
His passing is quite sharp and zippy while being accurate, hallmark of a good passer and I think he will improve further in this area. His basics are good and with time/experience it will get even better.

As for crossing, He always try to find a man with his crosses istead of blinding pumping them into the ball. Constantly looks for any runs made from attacking players. Again, I think his basics are very strong and its a matter of time before he keeps regularly getting assists. His delivery improved by a good deal before his injury but I'm yet to see it this season.

As for the dribbling part, I think he is quite average. His pace and strength do mask his average dribbling.
 
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You really think Mou is going to throw him into the side in a final after weeks of no football?
Definitely not.
But some fans are fanboys, so don't quite understand that form is very very important. You certainly don't throw a youngster, who has very little game time and is out of form, into a Cup final. If that player does badly, it may finish him at MUFC. Then people will ask, "Why did Jose field a player with no match rhythm. Was it to sabotage him?"
 
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Does anyone else notice how he positions himself in the centre of the pitch in the opponents 3rd at times? I like it.
In the Wigan game when defending he did seem to be narrow but I don't think he & Rojo were on the same page,

Heard from that Beyond the Pitch podcast with that Phil De Brun guy and Danny Higgenbottom that there's rumours Luke Shaw suffers from depression and his focus on the things you need to be focussing on as a young player isnt at the level of player with his age and potential. Maybe the reason he isn't playing every week is for bigger reasons that physical fitness.
Those two guys are no more docs that we are so take that with a pinch of salt; BUT after such a horrific injury (TWO broken bones in your shin) how easy for you would it be to come back and perform at the level you did before? Fecked if I know how long it takes to get that image out of your head. And do you EVER go into a tackle as hard ever again! Who knows? I am guessing his problem is more psychological than physical and needs time, which it seems Kose is giving him.

I am not a sheep,following the general fans opinions. I look with my own eyes.
If he is so good then why didn't he even make the bench against Leicester. ??
Jose said it was becasue he'd rather use his defenders that are flexible enough to play alternate positions in the back four; he doesn't believe Luke can do that ... he's LB specialist. If and when he can convince Jose that he is the best choice for LB (By far) then & only then will Luke start playing. My fingers are crossed!

Absolutely gutted for the lad really. When you saw that horror break happen and saw the angle his leg is at, as a United fan your worse fear is that you won't get to see the best of that lightning quick rampaging left back again. He was probably our best player up to that point in the season. Here we are 18 months later and yet to really see him play again.
aught too far forward

Starting to think the lad should have gone out on loan in January. Needs football if he's short of confidence.
Blind isnt world class, but still better than Shaw, Darmian. Hope Mou keeps him there.
Blind has a "world" of experience that we unfortunately have to hope is enough to get us across the line ... be that top 4 or become Europa Champion! His lack of pace
is his biggest weakness; next, he's not what I would call a "natural" LB but can obviously play the position as long as his "winger" supports him and covers him when he gets caught too deep. Darmian will okay some games as LB or RB as a defender-only, but I think Mouinho will play Rojo or Bailly when he needs a spare / replacement FB in big games. He has as much as already said that in his meetings. When Valencia needs a rest and we have a "big match" & also assuming Jones is back, don't be surprised to see this back-four Bailly---Smallling----Jones----Rojo; Protected by Pogs & Herrea with the usual suspects in front: Mkhi, Mata, Martial & the big Swede.

I'm not worried about him. Great talent but when you're off the back of a leg break it will take time to mentally get over it. When he's ready he'll add another dimension to the team in attack - defensively I thought he was already well drilled prior to the injury.
I hoping you're right!

If he doesn't play in the FA Cup; then he's got a job to ever rescue his united career.
Perhaps, but I have faith in Jose to manage young Luke and should he not play against BLackburn in the cup will it still be irrelevant.
 

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Perhaps, but I have faith in Jose to manage young Luke and should he not play against BLackburn in the cup will it still be irrelevant.
Keep Hope Alive

The signs are pointing more and more to the guy being shipped off in the summer. He obviously isn't rated higher than fricken DARMIAN. Hell, even Rojo would get left back minutes ahead of Shaw, as does Blind currently.

United's good defense without Luke Shaw getting minutes is just another reason we probably won't see Luke on the team next season.
 

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Hope he starts against Blackburn and has an amazing game. Wouldnt mind seeing him vs blackburn and the away leg next week back to back, to see how he does.
 

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Get over it deluded fan boys - he is an over rated flop - possibly so over rated due to him costing £30m and being English.

After watching the champions league games this week, Shaw would never ever have a chance of even being on the bench for PSG or Bayern.

He is so technically limited that he will only ever be a decent player - a bit like Valencia, fergie brought him in as Ronaldo's replacement. In his first season he was awesome, I was talking to Terry Phelan when he was doing some guest coaching at City. He said he admired Fergie so much for getting such great performances out of a very mediocre player. Valencia has now become a very good right back because he did not have the dribbling ability to be a winger.

Shaw could eventually be a United regular in that position. If he does, it will be due to his £30m price tag rather than his footballing skills. Sometimes a club has to persevere with a signing due to the outlay. look at Pogba for instance, he has never been dropped yet, regardless of his performances, how can you drop the worlds most expensive player without looking a fool, buying him.
 

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Get over it deluded fan boys - he is an over rated flop - possibly so over rated due to him costing £30m and being English.

After watching the champions league games this week, Shaw would never ever have a chance of even being on the bench for PSG or Bayern.

He is so technically limited that he will only ever be a decent player - a bit like Valencia, fergie brought him in as Ronaldo's replacement. In his first season he was awesome, I was talking to Terry Phelan when he was doing some guest coaching at City. He said he admired Fergie so much for getting such great performances out of a very mediocre player. Valencia has now become a very good right back because he did not have the dribbling ability to be a winger.

Shaw could eventually be a United regular in that position. If he does, it will be due to his £30m price tag rather than his footballing skills. Sometimes a club has to persevere with a signing due to the outlay. look at Pogba for instance, he has never been dropped yet, regardless of his performances, how can you drop the worlds most expensive player without looking a fool, buying him.
Ok...
 

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I suspect a hint of sarcasm ?

So if all you Shaw fan boys are correct, that Shaw is world class, then how come Jose cant squeeze him onto the bench.

Is it because he is too chubby to fit in the seat ?

is it because he is not actually very good at defending ?

Is it because he often looks like a non league player when receiving the ball on his right side ?
 

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I suspect a hint of sarcasm ?

So if all you Shaw fan boys are correct, that Shaw is world class, then how come Jose cant squeeze him onto the bench.

Is it because he is too chubby to fit in the seat ?

is it because he is not actually very good at defending ?

Is it because he often looks like a non league player when receiving the ball on his right side ?
wut?
 

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I suspect a hint of sarcasm ?

So if all you Shaw fan boys are correct, that Shaw is world class, then how come Jose cant squeeze him onto the bench.

Is it because he is too chubby to fit in the seat ?

is it because he is not actually very good at defending ?

Is it because he often looks like a non league player when receiving the ball on his right side ?
I never called him world class.
Both Martial and Mhiki couldn't make the bench not long ago and neither of them broke their leg in two places.
If Mourinho says he happy with how Shaw is working I trust him.
 

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I suspect a hint of sarcasm ?

So if all you Shaw fan boys are correct, that Shaw is world class, then how come Jose cant squeeze him onto the bench.

Is it because he is too chubby to fit in the seat ?

is it because he is not actually very good at defending ?

Is it because he often looks like a non league player when receiving the ball on his right side ?
He'll play at the weekend. I think the reason why he isn't playing at the moment is pretty obvious.
 
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I suspect a hint of sarcasm ?

So if all you Shaw fan boys are correct, that Shaw is world class, then how come Jose cant squeeze him onto the bench.

Is it because he is too chubby to fit in the seat ?

is it because he is not actually very good at defending ?

Is it because he often looks like a non league player when receiving the ball on his right side ?
It'a probably because he still hasn't fully recovered from having his leg snapped in half.
 

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Get over it deluded fan boys - he is an over rated flop - possibly so over rated due to him costing £30m and being English.

After watching the champions league games this week, Shaw would never ever have a chance of even being on the bench for PSG or Bayern.

He is so technically limited that he will only ever be a decent player - a bit like Valencia, fergie brought him in as Ronaldo's replacement. In his first season he was awesome, I was talking to Terry Phelan when he was doing some guest coaching at City. He said he admired Fergie so much for getting such great performances out of a very mediocre player. Valencia has now become a very good right back because he did not have the dribbling ability to be a winger.

Shaw could eventually be a United regular in that position. If he does, it will be due to his £30m price tag rather than his footballing skills. Sometimes a club has to persevere with a signing due to the outlay. look at Pogba for instance, he has never been dropped yet, regardless of his performances, how can you drop the worlds most expensive player without looking a fool, buying him.
You make it sound like he never suffered that injury.

Just before the leg injury i remember him being really good for us, one of our best players.

He's 21. I think he's shown tremendous potential. Also please stop calling people who disagree with your opinions fanboys. It's cringy.
 

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I certainly do. Mourinho clearly doesn't like him.

We'll take a loss. Obviously he's not worth what we paid for him at the time. His stock hasn't risen.
Mourinho tried to sign him for Chelsea so he obviously knows about his potential.

I also think Mourinho has already proven he is a fair manager who selects on form alone: even if it makes himself look bad eg: treatment of mhkitariyan early in the season.

Fact must be that Shaw just ain't good enough for whatever reasons. His injury obviously had an impact and he has yet to recover.

Doubt we'll sell just yet : he has all next year to make his case. I'm also not bothered one but either.
 

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Clubs without quality left backs should be licking their lips, the lad is quality and we all know it.
 

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I suspect a hint of sarcasm ?

So if all you Shaw fan boys are correct, that Shaw is world class, then how come Jose cant squeeze him onto the bench.

Is it because he is too chubby to fit in the seat ?

is it because he is not actually very good at defending ?

Is it because he often looks like a non league player when receiving the ball on his right side ?
I was wondering how you got in here but then remembered the new newbie system. It may need a rethink.
 

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Is he though? Apart from that run of 8 or so games before his leg break in his second season here he's been pretty mediocre.
Even then I can think of two goals he directly cost us.

He's got all the potential for sure but he's done very little to deserve this huge reputation he has, and this is his third year with us now.
 

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The signs are pointing more and more to the guy being shipped off in the summer. He obviously isn't rated higher than fricken DARMIAN. Hell, even Rojo would get left back minutes ahead of Shaw, as does Blind currently.

United's good defense without Luke Shaw getting minutes is just another reason we probably won't see Luke on the team next season.
I know; I'm disappointed Shaw isn't getting more opportunities and you may well be right, we'll probably see him go back to Poccetino. Rumours say in exchange for Rose? It's clear Jose is adamant that performance in training is of paramount importance so who knows where Luke's head is at in that regard. The contradiction for me is that Jose likes specialists (which Luke seems to be) and yet he has stated in the press lately that he's choosing defenders who can play more than one position. Fingers crossed he gets another chance against Blackburn but my fear is Darmian will again be chosen :-(
 

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New Ogden article on Shaw;

http://www.espnfc.com/club/manchest...policy-at-man-united-yet-to-work-on-luke-shaw

The only real important parts;
Those close to Shaw insist there are no issues with Mourinho and that the player is simply working hard for the chance to reclaim his position and impress the manager.
Sources at United have told ESPN FC that Mourinho rates Shaw and the manager would have pursued efforts to sign him for Chelsea in 2014, only for United to offer above and beyond, both in transfer fee and wages, what the Portuguese believed was sensible to pay.

Shaw's attacking qualities and ability to cover the full length of the left-flank impress Mourinho, but the manager also has concerns over his defensive discipline and tactical awareness.
Also thinks he'll get the chance to play in the next two games to prove he's good enough to be starting for us, most of the article seems to be speculation.
 
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