AFTV/AM '17/'18: A New Hope
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I think Claude is so defeated he's gotten to a point he can't be anymore negative that he's actually trying to be a positive. He mentioned something about a "Wenger rap" and how should have been invited on it with DT and Troopz 
Claude loves the Arsenal the way every true fan should love their clubs and players.
If Wenger got sacked tomorrow (he won't obviously) it wouldn't be wrong or an overreaction. That performance over 2 legs against Bayern is the most embarrassing capitulation I've ever seen at a club with the profile, finances and player quality of Arsenal, whic was sandwiched in between another embarrassing performance at Liverpool. Even under Moyes with a disjointed, low on morale squad managed by a fool we put up more of a fight than that.
Arsenal supporters have every right to want Wenger out immediately after that.
Arsenal supporters have every right to want Wenger out immediately after that.
Posted by an AM member before tonight's game:
'Bigger picture.
As Milan 4 Arsenal 0
Bolton 2 Arsenal 1 chance to close the gap On United to 6 points with 4 games left
Man City 6 Arsenal 3
Knocked out by Bradford
Arsenal 2 Spurs 3 opportunity lost to leap frog Chelaea at the top
Arsenal 0 Blackburn 1 in the FA cup 1/4 final. Blackburn had only won 3 away games in the Championship upto that point. But turned up at the Emirates and beat us.
League cup final vs Birmingham
United 6 Arsenal 1
Liverpool 5 Arsenal 1
Spurs 5 Arsenal 1 league cup semi final second leg
Arsenal 1 Monaco 3
Arsenal 2 Olympiakos 3
Chelaea 6 Arsenal 0
United 8 Arsenal 2
Now that's the worst results according to the Telegraph. Some awful repeat patterns and that's not including results against Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool this season the defeats against City as well. Or coming second in a league won by a team that barely survived relegation and having all your traditional rivals capitulate with one manager sacked mid season another having being confirmed he won't be staying on and another out of his depth that he was sacked at the end of the season.
What I think is fairly Damning this season, aside from our dreadful results against top teams, is that when we spanked Chelsea they basically changed everything. Lessons were learnt quickly and they transformed themselves completely. We on the other hand have never evolved, never changed and as those results show we've received spankings several times we've also crashed to way lower opposition in big games. Once is forgivable but it's a repeat pattern. That's the big picture.'
'Bigger picture.
As Milan 4 Arsenal 0
Bolton 2 Arsenal 1 chance to close the gap On United to 6 points with 4 games left
Man City 6 Arsenal 3
Knocked out by Bradford
Arsenal 2 Spurs 3 opportunity lost to leap frog Chelaea at the top
Arsenal 0 Blackburn 1 in the FA cup 1/4 final. Blackburn had only won 3 away games in the Championship upto that point. But turned up at the Emirates and beat us.
League cup final vs Birmingham
United 6 Arsenal 1
Liverpool 5 Arsenal 1
Spurs 5 Arsenal 1 league cup semi final second leg
Arsenal 1 Monaco 3
Arsenal 2 Olympiakos 3
Chelaea 6 Arsenal 0
United 8 Arsenal 2
Now that's the worst results according to the Telegraph. Some awful repeat patterns and that's not including results against Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool this season the defeats against City as well. Or coming second in a league won by a team that barely survived relegation and having all your traditional rivals capitulate with one manager sacked mid season another having being confirmed he won't be staying on and another out of his depth that he was sacked at the end of the season.
What I think is fairly Damning this season, aside from our dreadful results against top teams, is that when we spanked Chelsea they basically changed everything. Lessons were learnt quickly and they transformed themselves completely. We on the other hand have never evolved, never changed and as those results show we've received spankings several times we've also crashed to way lower opposition in big games. Once is forgivable but it's a repeat pattern. That's the big picture.'
He gets 10-12 million views monthly. That's at least $10-$12k monthly (least payment is $1 per 1000 views). He's also got one or two sponsors. I'd imagine he makes up to $15k monthly off the channel. Still not enough to buy a Rolls Royce though.
Also, the Arsenal board need to pull the 2 year contract they've given to Wenger.
And offer him a 5 year contract instead. Wenger In.
Has any team taken the amount of pastings Arsenal have from other big teams? Us, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Liverpool have smashed at least 5 past them over the last few years.
And that's ignoring the hidings they've taken in Europe.
And that's ignoring the hidings they've taken in Europe.
Now imagine if the refs didn't help them with the 2 handball goals and the last min pen vs Soton, thats 6 points less and they'd be 7th level on points with Everton 
@crappycraperson is correct
From youtube:
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No Ty?
I'm thinking that after that match they can't justify interviewing or uploading a video of someone who is still sucking wengers teat.
He's probably still in there clapping the players off.
Are you dizzy blud?
Just watched their snapchat and Ty is there with the rest of them chatting, even inside with them while Robbie is editing. Not sure why there's no video of him.
In typical fashion the clip on snapchat did show him saying that they were in the game and playing well up until they went down to 10 men.
In typical fashion the clip on snapchat did show him saying that they were in the game and playing well up until they went down to 10 men.
They are forgetting to add being beaten by us at Old Trafford last season to close the gap on Leicester when we basically had half a team fit and were playing the under 21s.
I watched Troopz and DTs videos last night, wasn't really much that you could argue with, then couldn't watch anymore at that point. It is becoming a pretty amusing habit of watching them after they lose to be fair.
Not bad at all.
Obviously Robbie will be eager to keep the view count as high as possible. If Wenger goes then the meltdowns may not be as frequent although I feel as though I have got to know the likes of DT, Troopz, Ty and Claude so I will carry on watching unless it is boring.
Then again if Arsenal do replace Wenger and have a major rebuilding period like United have had then we may see a even more severe lack of success which may produce bigger meltdowns.
I don't know why I always automatically assume that people who buy luxury cars pay full price once and drive off. Must be because I ain't got that kinda money yet so I can't relate.
Could anyone explain what DT had a problem with?
Can´t listen more than two minutes to troopz. My ears are in blud
That's a £2,500 a month payment on a wraith, its a £160k car at least.
he also wasn't driving it.
Robbie is definitely doing well though.
Forfeiting the next tie would improve Arsenal's stats against Bayern at this point.
AM said:
That is magnificent.
Think this might go well here:
Anyone see that bloke humping the pole in all them videos last night? Was hilarious, a star was born.
On one of Sir Alex's documentaries, he had to put the clubs stakeholders in order and even he put the fans bottom of the pile. He explained if the rest of the club is happy the fans are likely happy as well.
You only have to look at Arsenal fans tv, after they won 3-0 against Chelsea they were all singing Wenger's praises, saying they could win the league this year. Supporters are too fickle to care about too much in my opinion. When Sir Alex was struggling in 2004, some sections of the fans said his time was up to. After finishing 1st or 2nd for over 10 years being 3rd for just 1 season was not acceptable by some fans. How I wish we could be in that position now!
As for change at the top. The Arsenal fans still pay the high tickets prices and fill that stadium every week. Why would the board change anything? It really seems to be a British mentality to moan about something rather than do something. That game was pointless last night, they were never going to turn it around. But they all still turn up for the game, then moan after on their channel. Make a stand and don't go. Empty seats would get noticed far more than a few cries on social media. Dortmund fans were outraged that the club were going to increase tickets prices so they missed the first 20 minutes of the next game. The board duly listened.
I do however think Wenger should go. The team is stagnate and he simply isn't buying the right players anymore. This nonsense about not being able to compete with other clubs. Bayern has a similar, if not stricter wage system to Arsenal yet they can get any top class player they want. Arsenal's spending reminds me of Liverpool over the years. Wenger doesn't want to pay £50-60m for one player but will happily buy above 2-3 average players for £15-25m. Difference is Liverpool can't attract the top players as they don't have the funds for high wages or the London factor, Arsenal have both. He has needed a leader in that team since Vieria left. I don't know how many times pundits and fans a like have said this yet he still hasn't bought one. Random signings like Holdings and that non-league player. Are they really going to step up that much and that quickly?
Also with Depay
He is a buffoon that one..more interested in shouting to get a reaction than the subject matter.
Martin Keown, BT Sport: "He looks like a Rolls Royce, galloping through that defence."
Its all that horsepower
DT is quite a well spoken fellow when he wants to be, I don't get bored listening to him even if what he says is more or less the same thing. Liked what he said in the Gary Neville interview they did too. Claude is just resigned and in the acceptance stage of grief as of now I guess, can't summon the energy to rant and rave like he used to.
Absolutely SAVAGE!
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