AFTV/AM '17/'18: A New Hope

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They were never at a level that was worthy of anything better though. In order to compete with Chelsea/City, they have to spend like them and they rarely do. Not jsut on transfers, but on wage bills too. In such circumstances fans should be logical enough to stop pointing at the manager and start pointing at the board. Wenger has done very well with the star players bought and wage constraints he works with.
And is that the reason why they couldn't finish ahead of Leicester last year? Or how about juventus, atletico madrid and borussia dortmund? Do you know why sanchez went to arsenal? Because juventus didn't have the money to sign him. They still managed to build a much stronger team than arsenal with less resources.

But besides all that, to say that arsenal never had a team good enough to compete with chelsea/city over the last 3 seasons is just plain wrong
 

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And is that the reason why they couldn't finish ahead of Leicester last year? Or how about juventus, atletico madrid and borussia dortmund? Do you know why sanchez went to arsenal? Because juventus didn't have the money to sign him. They still managed to build a much stronger team than arsenal with less resources.

But besides all that, to say that arsenal never had a team good enough to compete with chelsea/city over the last 3 seasons is just plain wrong
Leicester last year was the exception that proves the rule. You can see it from their league position this year. They are not a top 6 side in terms of quality in their squad.

Comparing Juventus, Atletico or Borussia is daft as they are in completely different leagues.

Do you have any confirmation to prove the point that Sanchez came to Arsenal because of the money?

How can you say Juve is a much stronger team than Arsenal?
 

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Leicester last year was the exception that proves the rule. You can see it from their league position this year. They are not a top 6 side in terms of quality in their squad.

Comparing Juventus, Atletico or Borussia is daft as they are in completely different leagues.

Do you have any confirmation to prove the point that Sanchez came to Arsenal because of the money?

How can you say Juve is a much stronger team than Arsenal?
They clearly are, CL finalists two years ago, forgot where they ended last year, better squad.
 

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They clearly are, CL finalists two years ago, forgot where they ended last year, better squad.
Probably true.

Anyway, they got eliminated by Bayern (who Arsenal happen to get every other year) in the round of 16.
 

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Leicester last year was the exception that proves the rule. You can see it from their league position this year. They are not a top 6 side in terms of quality in their squad.
They won the league with 81 points. Are you telling me arsenal didn't have a team good enough for more than that?

Comparing Juventus, Atletico or Borussia is daft as they are in completely different leagues.
So? They did nothing arsenal couldn't have done

Do you have any confirmation to prove the point that Sanchez came to Arsenal because of the money?
No, he went to arsenal because they were the best option available to him. Juve weren't an option because they didn't have the money to sign him from barcelona.

How can you say Juve is a much stronger team than Arsenal?
Maybe they are not this year, we will see. Last season, and the one before? C'mon...
 

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Probably true.

Anyway, they got eliminated by Bayern (who Arsenal happen to get every other year) in the round of 16.
In extra time, getting every 50/50 call by the ref against them, a perfectly legal goal disallowed, a missed red card...arsenal just rolled over against barcelona
 

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And is that the reason why they couldn't finish ahead of Leicester last year? Or how about juventus, atletico madrid and borussia dortmund? Do you know why sanchez went to arsenal? Because juventus didn't have the money to sign him. They still managed to build a much stronger team than arsenal with less resources.

But besides all that, to say that arsenal never had a team good enough to compete with chelsea/city over the last 3 seasons is just plain wrong
Mourinho, Pelligrini and Poch capitulated behind Leicester let alone LVG or Wenger. Anomalies happen, Leicester were simply a different beast last season. Pep can't even handle them when they played to last seasons form.

The notion that other available managers in the market are automatically better than Wenger is beyond daft. Simoene is the only ideal candidate, and he would completely alter the Arsenal philosophy and still be a risk.

Sanchez not going to Juventus for those reasons is heresay. The fact that Arsene Wenger had the foresight to bring Bellarin Ozil Sanchez into the club is testament to his sound understanding of the transfer market.

City and Chelsea pay a bucket load more in wages and transfers than Arsenal and so can afford to push the envelope further in attracting star talent. Outside of ozil and sanchez, Wenger could do very little. Yet he still managed to bring in great talents like Coquelan, Bellarin, Montreal and Konsciely for peanuts. There's little else, or no one, who could quite replicate that. The notion of sacking or booing him is beyond ridiculous.
 

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Say what you want about Wenger, but in a lot of years he failed to produce a world class talent. This generation of Wilshere & Walcott was very underwhelming and a lot of money had been wasted on Chambers. I thought he'd have a really good eye for talents, but for a so-called 'professor' he got it wrong too many times. He's still an okay manager, but long gone are the days where he was ahead of most people.
 

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The notion that other available managers in the market are automatically better than Wenger is beyond daft. Simoene is the only ideal candidate, and he would completely alter the Arsenal philosophy and still be a risk.
I disagree but that's beside the point. I'm not talking about wenger

Sanchez not going to Juventus for those reasons is heresay.
Guess there's been a misunderstanding here. My poin is juventus didn't have the money to sign sanchez, while arsenal did. Arsenal had more resources at their disposal than juventus. Despite that, juventus managed to build a far better side than arsenal

As for wenger, as i said, the fans turn on him out of desperation. Wenger has done a good job overall. Not the best job. But more importantly, repeating the same season again and again and again has become unbearable for those fans. They want change. Even if it turns out to be for the worst, at still it's still a glimmer a hope at the end of the tunnel. Under wenger, they lost that hope
 

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I disagree but that's beside the point. I'm not talking about wenger


Guess there's been a misunderstanding here. My poin is juventus didn't have the money to sign sanchez, while arsenal did. Arsenal had more resources at their disposal than juventus. Despite that, juventus managed to build a far better side than arsenal

As for wenger, as i said, the fans turn on him out of desperation. Wenger has done a good job overall. Not the best job. But more importantly, repeating the same season again and again and again has become unbearable for those fans. They want change. Even if it turns out to be for the worst, at still it's still a glimmer a hope at the end of the tunnel. Under wenger, they lost that hope
That's terribly subjective. Juventus dominated an easier league. If they were in the Premier League you're assuming they'd win it over Arsenal City Chelsea etc.. which is a big assumption.
 

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That's terribly subjective. Juventus dominated an easier league. If they were in the Premier League you're assuming they'd win it over Arsenal City Chelsea etc.. which is a big assumption.
Not assuming anything. Juventus were better than arsenal the last two seasons. That's not really up for debate. As for wether juve would have won or not, Leicester won the title last season, with 81 points. Chelsea won the year before, the same team that was made to look pedestrian by PSG in CL. But that's not the point i'm making, not exactly
 

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They won the league with 81 points. Are you telling me arsenal didn't have a team good enough for more than that?


So? They did nothing arsenal couldn't have done


No, he went to arsenal because they were the best option available to him. Juve weren't an option because they didn't have the money to sign him from barcelona.


Maybe they are not this year, we will see. Last season, and the one before? C'mon...
Not going to go on arguing on this as we have different opinions. But, Leicester last season was really an exception. Usually teams with best squads and balance win it at the end, irrespective of the number of points gained.
 

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Winning a major league with 81 points is incredibly rare in modern game, it is eithef a result of an incredibly strong league, or a relatively weak champion. Arsenal were a far stronger team than leicester last season, that is undeniable, to finish behind them was a failure of titanic proportions
 

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We are a joke. We only go with "the grass is always greener on the other side" rather than supporting our team.
 

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They never have the bottle when it counts, it's amazing that they've been this way for over a decade now.
 

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You would think with one of the perennial title challengers falling off Arsenal would stake a real title charge but they are as terrible as five years ago
 

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Also Sunday: Spuds get within a point of nicking Arsenal's 4th place spot.
Plus talk about Sanchez wanting much more than what Arsenal are willing to offer. Either they lose him or he fecks up their wage structure.
 

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They never have the bottle when it counts, it's amazing that they've been this way for over a decade now.
Isn't that the frightening factor to it all. That's why I no longer consider Wenger a top manager. To make the same mistakes so consistently for so long is unforgivable. I remember the first game this season he had Chambers and the boy that they got from Bolton at centre half. They were torn to pieces, a good manager would never put his players in that kind of situation. Only way that Arsenal will move forward is to move on from Wenger. For a guy to be at the club for so long he should leave a hero, instead he'll go and a good percentage of their fans will be glad. Shame really.
 

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Not only do the same spineless thing every season, they make you say the same fecking thing every season. It feels so weird.
 
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