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AFTV/AM '17/'18: A New Hope

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I don't get the hate he's getting for allowing the sun to sponsor his videos. Like really?
 

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Just came across this, TY is so deluded I feel sorry for him.

:lol: I firmly believe him to be the greatest wum that ever lived. No one can actually be that deluded without doing it on purpose.
 

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I'm not sure taking your high profile AFC TV on the road to WHL is the greatest idea?

Right enough that WHL is a crappy place to go to, mainly because because of the limited transport, in London terms.
 

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I'm not sure taking your high profile AFC TV on the road to WHL is the greatest idea?

Right enough that WHL is a crappy place to go to, mainly because because of the limited transport, in London terms.
What do you mean?
 

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What do you mean?
that at the very least you'll attract stick for doing it

like sticking all the Utd gear on & standing outside Anfield 'giving it large' - as they would see it

asking for trouble, innit?

(while we don't live in an ideal world, which we don't)
 

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Disgusting. Just as pathetic as people were bullying Ty a couple a weeks ago and stealing his hat and throwing it around(sounds harmless, but it was fecking pathetic).

Just sick and fecking tired of how people treat eachother.
 

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that at the very least you'll attract stick for doing it

like sticking all the Utd gear on & standing outside Anfield 'giving it large' - as they would see it

asking for trouble, innit?

(while we don't live in an ideal world, which we don't)
It just seems like he was leaving the ground, and there was a load of Spurs fans giving him stick. Not really sure there's anything they could do there.
 

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It just seems like he was leaving the ground, and there was a load of Spurs fans giving him stick. Not really sure there's anything they could do there.
Earlier he said (sounded like pre-game to me) that they had been moved from a safe-ish spec just outside the ground (by a steward to ''the end of the road... surrounded by Spurs fans''

I dunno, I'm not saying he should be fearing for his own safety or subjected to racial abuse, but Arsenal gear, camera, large groups of pissed-up opposition fans = not a good mix.
 

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Not obvious at all, but Ty wears Arsenal glasses frames and Arsenal trainers.
 

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Earlier he said (sounded like pre-game to me) that they had been moved from a safe-ish spec just outside the ground (by a steward to ''the end of the road... surrounded by Spurs fans''

I dunno, I'm not saying he should be fearing for his own safety or subjected to racial abuse, but Arsenal gear, camera, large groups of pissed-up opposition fans = not a good mix.
If it's true he was moved to the high Street then that's crazy, that's the way everyone walks to catch bus\train.

Not that it excuse people being complete idiots, but it's football fans so what can we expect.
 

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Haven't been in this thread for months. Quite shocked at how unsavory things have gotten for them. No doubt it'll only get worse as well. The price of 'fame' unfortunately.
 

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that at the very least you'll attract stick for doing it

like sticking all the Utd gear on & standing outside Anfield 'giving it large' - as they would see it

asking for trouble, innit?

(while we don't live in an ideal world, which we don't)
How's Robbie giving it large? You're talking rubbish.
 

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How's Robbie giving it large? You're talking rubbish.
''perceived'' as giving it large if you prefer, :rolleyes:

should he be? I dunno, but it's a 'highly charged' NLD, he's on opposition teritory in all the Arsenal gear, it's footy fans we're talking about...
 

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Does anyone know what kind of jobs the people who appear on AFTV have? My assumption is Troopz works in the Carphone Warehouse
 

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I know that DT does some DJ stuff. I saw him in one of my local pubs last Friday.
 

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I don't get the hate he's getting for allowing the sun to sponsor his videos. Like really?
Because the sun isn't fit to use as toilet paper. Its coverage of Hillsborough was despicable. Its hand in the phone hacking scandal, its continued vilification of immigrants and refugees, its consistent presenting of false facts only to run corrections in small blocks in the middle of the paper never to be seen. It took them far too long to get rid of page 3. It's an abhorrent publication and to take sponsorship from them legitimises them and damns any sense of morals you can claim to have.
 

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Because the sun isn't fit to use as toilet paper. Its coverage of Hillsborough was despicable. Its hand in the phone hacking scandal, its continued vilification of immigrants and refugees, its consistent presenting of false facts only to run corrections in small blocks in the middle of the paper never to be seen. It took them far too long to get rid of page 3. It's an abhorrent publication and to take sponsorship from them legitimises them and damns any sense of morals you can claim to have.
and the recent fiasco with Ross Barkley too.
 

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Because the sun isn't fit to use as toilet paper. Its coverage of Hillsborough was despicable. Its hand in the phone hacking scandal, its continued vilification of immigrants and refugees, its consistent presenting of false facts only to run corrections in small blocks in the middle of the paper never to be seen. It took them far too long to get rid of page 3. It's an abhorrent publication and to take sponsorship from them legitimises them and damns any sense of morals you can claim to have.
I haven't exactly seen him holding himself up as some beacon of morality though?

It's the most popular paper in Britain, obviously a lot of people don't seem to find it quite so bad. Besides, who cares if it is a shit paper? They're only paying him to have their name on it. People get way too butthurt about simple sponsorships, thinking it means something when it doesn't.
 

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Just came across this, TY is so deluded I feel sorry for him.

The level of delusion is too damn high in that video and I thought Liverpool fans were deluded, this it OTT delusion. He thinks all Arsenal players are better than every Spurs player. :lol:
 

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I haven't exactly seen him holding himself up as some beacon of morality though?

It's the most popular paper in Britain, obviously a lot of people don't seem to find it quite so bad. Besides, who cares if it is a shit paper? They're only paying him to have their name on it. People get way too butthurt about simple sponsorships, thinking it means something when it doesn't.
Accepting a sponsor, the whole point is being associated with them for better or worse. Very much worse in the Suns case.
 

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I haven't exactly seen him holding himself up as some beacon of morality though?

It's the most popular paper in Britain, obviously a lot of people don't seem to find it quite so bad. Besides, who cares if it is a shit paper? They're only paying him to have their name on it. People get way too butthurt about simple sponsorships, thinking it means something when it doesn't.
I never said he does hold himself up as a beacon of morality, I was simply claiming that by taking money from them you cant claim to have untarnished morals, it was more a hypothetical.

People are getting 'butthurt' by the legitimising of a paper that has time and time again proved to be a blight on the national press. I dont know how you can ignore all its wrongdoings and think its ok for someone to take sponsorship from them. Yes it is their prerogative if they want the money, but in the same way it is also ours to criticise them for doing so. Simple sponsorships aren't just simple sponsorships. They pay to get their name on it, more people see the name, the name gets re-legitimised, more people buy it, its practices dont get changed because 'they seem to sell papers', more people get misinformed, more people continue to vote for our country to circle down the drain. 'vote brexit for the nhs', 'vote tory to dismantle the nhs' 'no refugees allowed' 'bomb syria, create refugees'. Its not just a shit paper, its an insidious piece of shit paper that has no consistent values apart from feeding click baitesque headlines to the public. Its the most popular paper because it fits in with the desire for the vast majority of the public's desire to want to be outraged about something every day. It's not popular due to its content.
 

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I've generally been on AFTV's side, especially when established media panicked about the channel's success & adopted a snobbish attitude towards AFTV. However, a seemingly minor thing like accepting sponsorship from The Sun really gives me pause: Robbie & company should've reconsidered, surely; after all, it could've been Arsenal supporters - or fans of any club, not only Liverpool FC - who bore the brunt of that newspaper's lies for decades. If you care about fans' welfare, if you care about your fellow supporters' dignity, you don't take The Sun's money and still claim to be 'the voice of real football fans'.
 

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Accepting a sponsor, the whole point is being associated with them for better or worse. Very much worse in the Suns case.
But why? A lot of people seem to buy it, so I don't get the apparent harm it's meant to do to his reputation. A few people on the internet accuse him of abandoning his morals or something, I doubt he or 99% of anyone else will mind.

I never said he does hold himself up as a beacon of morality, I was simply claiming that by taking money from them you cant claim to have untarnished morals, it was more a hypothetical.

People are getting 'butthurt' by the legitimising of a paper that has time and time again proved to be a blight on the national press. I dont know how you can ignore all its wrongdoings and think its ok for someone to take sponsorship from them. Yes it is their prerogative if they want the money, but in the same way it is also ours to criticise them for doing so. Simple sponsorships aren't just simple sponsorships. They pay to get their name on it, more people see the name, the name gets re-legitimised, more people buy it, its practices dont get changed because 'they seem to sell papers', more people get misinformed, more people continue to vote for our country to circle down the drain. 'vote brexit for the nhs', 'vote tory to dismantle the nhs' 'no refugees allowed' 'bomb syria, create refugees'. Its not just a shit paper, its an insidious piece of shit paper that has no consistent values apart from feeding click baitesque headlines to the public. Its the most popular paper because it fits in with the desire for the vast majority of the public's desire to want to be outraged about something every day. It's not popular due to its content.
These are all your opinion though. You seem to have a fair amount of dislike for anything that isn't left wing such as anyone who voted to leave the EU, votes tory, wants less immigrants etc. That's a perfectly fine opinion for yourself to hold but just because Robbie allows himself to be endorsed by a newspaper that holds opposing views to your own doesn't mean anything. You actually come across a little snobbish in all honesty.

You might think it's tabloid trash, lowest common denominator nonsense with a loose definition of journalism, but that doesn't make it objectively bad. They've certainly got a poor history, and undoubtedly had some terrible people working for them, but what paper doesn't? I just don't see how accepting their sponsorship money makes Robbie an unequivocal moral vacuum. Maybe it does, what do I know? But I think a fair amount of people would disagree with you, and just because they hold different ideas to you doesn't make them bad, or as you seemed to be implying, idiots.
 

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They were chanting "who let the yids out". Don't think it was racist.
Had to laugh at that. Sort of let's them off the hook with what I feared, but then using "yids" which itself is a word of some controversy itself. Especially for those who aren't Jewish!
 

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When it comes to vile racist fans, London clubs seem to have more than most from what I can see. Chelsea, Spurs, Millwall specifically.
It seems particularly strange when London is surely by far the most multicultural area of the country.
But perhaps unlike Arsenal, the make up of the fans isn't very reflective of this
 

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I've generally been on AFTV's side, especially when established media panicked about the channel's success & adopted a snobbish attitude towards AFTV. However, a seemingly minor thing like accepting sponsorship from The Sun really gives me pause: Robbie & company should've reconsidered, surely; after all, it could've been Arsenal supporters - or fans of any club, not only Liverpool FC - who bore the brunt of that newspaper's lies for decades. If you care about fans' welfare, if you care about your fellow supporters' dignity, you don't take The Sun's money and still claim to be 'the voice of real football fans'.
Bit unrealistic really though isn't it?

Robbie, we're offering £100k sponsorship, are you keen?

"No, not after the way you reported Hillsborough 28 years ago under a completely different editorial team"

Doesn't seem very likely to happen to me?!
He's giving a voice to Arsenal football club fans, for views on Arsenal. Why does anything else come into it?
 
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