5.5 average rating for last night's performance? What are you guys smoking? So much haters.
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Neither do I
But the fact we were after him for a year or so, and that people far more qualified than you or I decided he was worth spending the cas on. He has to be better than what we have seen.
I’ve said a few times, but it’s crazy to write him off now. I’d like to think we all would be willing to give him benefit of any doubt
He looks extremely comfortable when utd are in control of a game. So that’s a plus. Obviously it’s more important he starts improving significantly when under pressure though.
Lindelof is the opposite of Bailly. Can never be relied upon to win a tackle or put in a block. Decent passer of the ball but an absolute defensive liability. Smalling, for all his clumsiness, at least wins the 50-50 balls. You can never count on lindelof to do that and against a better team than Newcastle, we will be punished. Bailly and Jones back asap please. No more lindelof and miki and we can take on City.
Majority defenders even the average one and also the teenager like Tuanzebe will look extremely comfortable when their own team in a control of a game.
I thought he was decent apart from the slip that led to the goal.
What makes you think his positioning was fine then? It's not a lazy criticism because in first half he had zero attempt of tackles, zero attempt of interceptions, zero attempt of blocks.
De Gea & Lindelof are different cases. We bought De Gea to replace VDS and he had prove himself what he was capable of in Atl Madrid and by giving him time we won't slow down development of young talented players so there is nothing to lose to give him time.
In Lindelof case we have something to lose. When Lindelof was in Benfica, he had no reputation as big as De Gea was in Atl Madrid and by giving him time we are slowing down the development of our young talented player like Tuanzebe who has at least equally or even more potential than Lindelof.
Seeing how John Stones is playing for City right now, perhaps a bit of patience is needed with him too?
Why would he put his hand behind his back when blocking shots in the box? I know he wants to avoid getting hit on the hand but how often do we see that in a game?
Really easy to say this but feel he’d be more use in a possession orientated team like Pep’s City, he’s got good quality on the ball but lacks a bit in his defensive brain. Hopefully with Mou as manager he’ll improve in that aspect. Overall not bad but if we were playing a stronger team we could have struggled after going 1-0 down because of that slip.
He deserves criticism for a lot of stuff in recent games but certainly not for this. Especially if Michael Oliver was ref he’d be fecked if he did that.
Was absolutely outstanding for Sweden against Italy, over both legs. Looked great for Benfica too. He just needs some time to settle in. I swear he's just nervous. I think he's going to be top quality when he calms down. We desperately need someone of his composure and class on the ball to help us build from the back.
Too much knee jerking going on right now.
Too much knee jerking going on right now.
Just like Stones, his on the ball qualities are way overrated. He's got a decent passing technique and nothing more. Someone like Blind is good on the ball, not this guy.
I'm not seeing this class on the ball. Even from his time at Benfica he looked okay on the ball but hardly anything special and for Sweden it was a 11 man defence at times and on the ball he wasn't anything special.
I'm more concerned about his on the ball ability at the moment, defensively he will iron out the mistakes hopefully but needs to show a lot more on the ball for me. That's the aspect which has disappointed me the most thus far.
Not the thread to discuss it. He was top notch. I don't question his talent, I question his commitment to the game. He wasn't found lacking this week.
Lindelof on the other hand, not a talented chap, in my estimation.
Great talent. Eventually we'll see him carrying the ball forward and cut through the middle with passes directly at our strikers or wingers. What would make him more reliable right now though is winning these 50-50 tackles like Bailly did from day one. Can really see him forming a partnership with Bailly in the future, although we haven't seen those two together in a back four yet, right?
Matic missed that tackle outside the box and Smalling went with Shelvey and then Shelvey slipped
Many defenders do that. Not worth the risk of an idiot ref or a loose hand.
Other than the slip, which was a consequence of bad position and him trying to correct it, I thought he was fine.
Why do we? Plenty of teams have been successful without a defender who specializes in being on the ball rather than without it. Its just been a pompous fancy dreamt up in recent seasons because basic young CBs like Smalling and Jones arent exotic enough. Sir Alex had enough faith in Jones' passing to use him in midfield let alone as a CB. And we have one of the best options in the league for playing the ball out from the back in Blind who is also more natural to partner a right footed CB like Bailly or Smalling.
I was very afraid when i saw his name in the starting lineup. Was not surprised when we conceded that annoying goal. Maybe we should try him as defensive midfielder.
Almost every professional defender do that every game
Ferdinand was shite to begin with. So was De Gea.
Give him some time.
Give him some time.
If we wanted a ball playing CB we should have got Aymeric Laporte. Laporte can peel off 30 to 40m passes with ease and unlike Lindelof can actually defend. Not sure why we purchased a project player like Lindelof when we could have got an experienced first team player like Laporte. He's also 23 so could have played for us for the next decade.
Yes. Just shows that when we look at some players we have the tendency to see the “negatives” more than the positives. I am no big fan of him yet but I think he deserves the chance to settle. I feel he is just a little too nervous at times and needs to settle down a bit.
Laporte is overrated. He isn’t half as good as he is made out to be.
Plenty of players are deemed not good enough in their initial days here. Let's give the lad a fair shot over at least a season.
One thing I saw that he really improved was his anticipation of danger. Having conceded from such a danger against Huddersfield, it was good to see him improving in that aspect. There is still room for improvement but I’m optimistic.
He was fine. He'll come to grips with the epl football soon, Not everyone adapts like the way bailly did.
His qualities in bringing the ball out from the back is what we need, That pass to lukaku was very good.
His qualities in bringing the ball out from the back is what we need, That pass to lukaku was very good.
Can you name some CBs that are better than Laporte? Skilled ball playing CBs are rare. Varane, Marquinhos, and Hummels are probably at about the same level as Laporte. Even if Laporte is short of world class at least he's much better than Lindelof. Axel and TFM from the youth academy are better than Lindelof in my opinion.
What makes you think he wont struggle in epl in first few months? Lindelof can pass the ball too very nicely and when he comes up with the grips of epl he 'll be very clinical defender too.
A Lovren bad copy
Joe hart was bettr than de gea when he arrived here. Patience is needed for any new player.
I wish José would play Blind - he's actually proven to be a good PL CB and he's one of the best passers in the team, too. Plus he'd allow Smalling to play as the RCB where he's more comfortable. Still, he wasn't bad and hopefully he builds on this performance.
I'm willing to give him time. He was okay yesterday. That slip could've happened to Maldini, it was unfortunate. No one mentions that Matic and Pogba were too slow to track back... stop looking for easy scapegoats guys.
No he hits the ground falling
I am not saying he won't be good enough - but we are not in a position where we can use a player who might be good enough in 2 years time, but right now is costing us a goal a game. If that was the case - we might have played Gomes and Tuanzebe every game.
a genuine slip is just one of those things but this slip came about because his body position was all wrong which was disappointing.
i did think he grew into the game though and was perfectly fine overall. needs game time as i think there's a decent player in there, he is good on the ball but is obviously lacking confidence atm to fully express himself. it's hard to give him game time with the pressure to keep pace with city though, and the form of bailly, jones plus the return of rojo too tbf
he's young for a defender and the coaching staff clearly saw something in him to pursue for over a year. i'm more than prepared to give him a season to settle in, there's really no need to throw him under the bus after a couple of months
i did think he grew into the game though and was perfectly fine overall. needs game time as i think there's a decent player in there, he is good on the ball but is obviously lacking confidence atm to fully express himself. it's hard to give him game time with the pressure to keep pace with city though, and the form of bailly, jones plus the return of rojo too tbf
he's young for a defender and the coaching staff clearly saw something in him to pursue for over a year. i'm more than prepared to give him a season to settle in, there's really no need to throw him under the bus after a couple of months
No he was not. It was just the media getting on De Gea's back while putting Hart in the same bracket as Neuer.
On Lindelof I feel like he shits his pants when playing for Manchester United and is the unluckiest guy on the pitch. That slip yesterday you just knew it would happen to him. Yesterday was improvement on his last PL outing but be does need to improve his defensive game still, show more aggression and win more headers and tackles.
It's a shame we didn't just invest playing time in Tuanzebe, we could have saved 35m pounds.
It seems like it's mostly nerves. It could literally turn around with one performance.
Once it clicks we can see his real level. At the minute hes like a worse John Stones.
Once it clicks we can see his real level. At the minute hes like a worse John Stones.
I watched the game I thought Italy was just poor tactically and clueless in going attack.
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