It's not called getting shafted when you're disastrously incompetent at your job.
David Moyes West Ham Manager | Gone (pedantic sod Sarni)
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Shafted like Woy was at Liverpool eh?
Really? Can’t believe anyone but Moyes could think that.
By every measurable metric and the poor style of play he was lucky to last as long as he did.
It was our mistake giving him a 6 year contract, any contract for that matter!
He wasn't "shafted" at all: the six years on his contract was based on him achieving Champions League qualification in each of those years - he failed to fulfil the terms of his contract = he lost his job. All very standard stuff.
The only thing he can feel sore about is the press being briefed the day before - that was unnecessary and distasteful (though the relief to us fans was very welcome at that stage).
Its ok, Dave, I forgive you.
Well United got 6.. But has he bought out the we trained and won dos, tres, cuatro times?
We felt more sore at this time because he turned us from champions to a 7th placed club.
I guess he should accept that he is a good manager at a mid table level club. Like Everton and West Ham. He is doing a good job in these situations. He is not capable of managing a top club. If he does accept this as most managers do without complaining then he will be respected.
The most disappointing part about him is hr didn't even try to rescue the situation in Jan.
When a bad employee is hired, I always blame the company more than the employee. It is the people in the company who are responsible, to interview and make sure the employee is up to the task. And for a role as prominent as the manager of Manchester United, I do not think Woody and co did due diligence.
They are as much to blame here as they are.
Also, our players are no saints here, they downed tools as soon as they smelled weakness. I know it must have been frustrating to be told to play like how "Everton players" played. But at that point leaders in the group need to rally to keep the results going. Not be petulant babies, who don't turn up on match days.
Moyes was most definitely not up to the job, in fact he might have been out of his depth completely, but it wasn't him alone that screwed up that season.
And now I actually I admire the guy, not many people would have the balls to take up a 6 month contract, when you know this could be your very last chance to prove it in the PL. 6 mths does not leave you with any leeway to screw up the opportunity, if you do, you can kiss the top flight managerial job goodbye. Most people would have played it safe and waited for maybe a smaller club but a longer contract. Fair play to him.
They are as much to blame here as they are.
Also, our players are no saints here, they downed tools as soon as they smelled weakness. I know it must have been frustrating to be told to play like how "Everton players" played. But at that point leaders in the group need to rally to keep the results going. Not be petulant babies, who don't turn up on match days.
Moyes was most definitely not up to the job, in fact he might have been out of his depth completely, but it wasn't him alone that screwed up that season.
And now I actually I admire the guy, not many people would have the balls to take up a 6 month contract, when you know this could be your very last chance to prove it in the PL. 6 mths does not leave you with any leeway to screw up the opportunity, if you do, you can kiss the top flight managerial job goodbye. Most people would have played it safe and waited for maybe a smaller club but a longer contract. Fair play to him.
Fergie said in his farewell speech implored fans to "stand by our manager". Moyes took his time in overhauling the Everton squad and thought he could do likewise at OT. Football is a results game but look at the vast sums of money spent by UTD post Moyes. It shows the extent of the rebuilding job to be done. Hope he does well at WHU.
As for Hodgson he is a decent manager at a middle/lower size club. Never a right fit for Liverpool. A decent guy but out of his depth.
As for Hodgson he is a decent manager at a middle/lower size club. Never a right fit for Liverpool. A decent guy but out of his depth.
He was saying that on the presumption Moyes wouldn't be completely shit. Obviously rebuilding was needed but Moyes came into a title winning side, so he should've been able to seal top four with what he had. We've spent a lot of money since but much of it has been wasted - ultimately the key shouldn't be how much you spend but how you spend it.
And we did - hence why the vast majority at Old Trafford remained hugely supportive of him no matter how bad things got, including giving he standing ovations and booing the plane calling for his dismissal when it flew over the stadium. He really couldn't have had better support from match-going fans, and I think he does appreciate that.
Then he should've read the contract he signed - the annual Champions League qualification requirement of his appointment meant he had standards to hit from the off, but he couldn't. The club gave him the resources to make the changes he wanted in the summer (they even let him turn-down SAF's transfer targets) and we all know how that went. That wasted summer window went a long way in forcing the spending we've seen since then, it was that crucial that the natural squad-rejuvenation we'd seen up to that point continued.
In hindsight it's amazing we allowed him to remain in charge for 9 months. Any other top club would have sacked him by Xmas. United and the vast majority of United fans stood by him but theres only so much you can stand by and ignore. Ultimately he just didn't have the talent or personality to succeed at a top club, so sacking him was the right thing to do.
The squad Moyes took over needed retweaking not rebuilding. We needed a few key recruitments, a midfielder or two, a top winger and a left back. Moyes didn't sign any of these, so one year turned into two and by 2014 the squad needed even more reinforcement than it did in 2013. Then because of Moyes failure we had to hire Van Gaal who made an absolute clusterfeck of trying to build a squad. Shipped out 20+ players for next to nothing and replaced them largeing with overpriced shite some of which we are still trying to get rid of.
So here we are in 2018 5 years after Fergusons retirement and Mourinho is still trying to clean up the mess left by Moyes and Van Gaal. Thats why we've had to spend so much money, we are playing catch up. Had we hired Mourinho in 2013 as we should have we could have bypassed the Moyes/Van Gaal years and currently been in a much stronger position.
Even now, there are still fans who believe he didn't get enough time, or was harshly dealt with.
That is astounding, and seemingly based on him having an initial decent impact on a massively underperforming team and taking them back to the midtable they should be.
That is astounding, and seemingly based on him having an initial decent impact on a massively underperforming team and taking them back to the midtable they should be.
And drawing away to Shrewsbury.
"Moyes wants West Ham playing like Tottenham and Chelsea in the future"
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42650361
Why not like City???
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42650361
Why not like City???
Cretin.
That literally right there sums him up. He tries to imitate rather than think of solid tactics himself. Chelsea and Spurs don't even play alike.
had he tried hard and brought one or two midfield signings, I still think we could have put much stronger performance. But he might have thought he will let it be like that till summer and then try to fix, He failed to comprehend its United not Everton!
Or manager, Dave.
Because it's not in Moyes blood to aim for the top. He'll always be delighted with a top 4 spot."Moyes wants West Ham playing like Tottenham and Chelsea in the future"
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42650361
Why not like City???
His first transfer window was a disaster, paying overprice for Fellaini in panic at deadline day.
I rather have two more years with LVG, than one summer transfer window with Moyes.
Moyes' attempts to "aspire to be more like City" ended in a resounding failure that saw him sacked within a year. So he chooses to step down a tier and follow the likes of Spurs or Chelsea in their approach. No doubt his "methods" will fail once again."Moyes wants West Ham playing like Tottenham and Chelsea in the future"
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42650361
Why not like City???
Not the most forward thinking manager in the game.
Good performance today and 4 goals. Long way to go but seems to have worked out how to make them work together again. If he can add some good signing this summer he could well get his career back on track. Deserves to be managing this level club in my opinion, 3rd tier prem club
C'mon, give him a break, he's doing well, we need to concede that. Plus, he's less annoying than van Gaal nowadays, so good luck to him.
Didn't he sign a contract till the end of the season?
This is his level and with West Ham's resources he'll make them a regular top 10 club. The issue is that West Ham fans and owners have delusions of grandeur and think they are much much better than they are.
The fact he has unified that West Ham dressing-room and has them playing for one another is remarkable in itself. He's doing a very commendable job there, but you won't hear that from many of the agenda-ists here.
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If he can do what he did with everton and make them a top 8-4 club then they should have to be happy. It will be tough to make the CL spots like he did with everton given spurs are steady and city have since entered the scene, but those 6-8 spots are still up for grabs
He's talking about the stature of the club, not tactics. Also it's quite ignorant to say he imitates when he had his own style at Everton and brought his own backroom staff to United from Everton to implement his style (which failed but you can't say he imitates).
This place always has me defending Moyes like he's some world class manager but the shit he gets is ridiculous.
West Ham fans are notorious for demanding the " West Ham way " it'll be fine for now cause he looks to be steering them out of a dire situation but in a few years if they 're establish themselves again as a solid mid table club they'll want more and the owners knowing full well they can't give that to them will cave and the cycle repeats.
yes clubs do get into this cycle. fans just crave change for the sake of change a lot of the time, even tho they know somewhere in them that the change isn't going to bring more success. Same with buying players too i feel, new and shiny is always better than the player you currently have
I wonder whether David himself is well-endowed?
He was swinging it around in Huddersfield, today.
He was swinging it around in Huddersfield, today.
Biggest bellend in the Premier League.
Eh? The quote literally says he wants west ham playing like spurs and Chelsea. How is that possibly not tactics?
He brought in his own backroom team and said we should aspire to be like city, told Rio Ferdinand to watch how Phil fecking jagielka does it. You're telling me that's not a man who tries to imitate? I don't think that's ignorant at all, I think it's a fair enough assumption.
Ferdinand himself called bullshit on that
Remarkable? Very commendable? No, it's called doing the bare minimum. A few "decent" results don't change the fact that the man is delusional about his very own abilities. You're talking like he got that team comfortably into top 4 on manegerial ability alone.