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I think it's a matter of time before Jose gives up on him.
Think we wont see that til the new year... not like Mourinho is fond of Martial, even if he did play well consistently which he doesn't. Other options are Rashford, lingard, Mata.... actually you have to wonder how we didnt sign an attacking player.
 

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Needs to start against Derby and if he's rubbish there, too, then he should be dropped for West Ham.

Hopefully, though, he has a stormer, forms a fantastic understanding with Martial, and we go from strength to strength with them two at the forefront of it all. That's likely, right? :nervous:
 

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Totally agree he's finished as a World Class player ship him out to China for hopefully 60M and we should let Mata go as well then buy a couple of young Speedsters like Leon Bailey, Tino Werner, Hirving Lozano, Pulisic, Douglas Costa the list is endless!
 

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I hardly followed football around the time he signed as I became a father, so pardon my ignorance, but...

Is he really on 400k per week? How? Why?
That's the minimum figure, provided we are in the CL and he doesn't demand a transfer. There are bonuses on top of £20m a year. I think the range is up to £25m. The details are in the Football Leaks book and various articles based on it.

He agreed to join City in the summer but the eventual offer from City came so late on that it left Arsenal with not enough time to get a replacement. When it came to the winter transfer window, City expected to get him relatively cheaply or leave it until he was a free agent in the summer. United decided to throw money at Sanchez, his agent, and tempt Arsenal with Mkhitaryan. Our offer was so ridiculous that City weren't interested in matching it. Sanchez chose the money over City. Had we offered a sensible salary, he would have gone to City. Arsenal were willing to pay him £15m a year. I believe City's offer was less.

United paid Zlatan slightly more than £20m for his first season at the club. 2nd season Zlatan earned less than £2m as he hardly played.
 

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We could not start him and save £1m every match day. That's a positive i guess.
 

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That's the minimum figure, provided we are in the CL and he doesn't demand a transfer. There are bonuses on top of £20m a year. I think the range is up to £25m. The details are in the Football Leaks book and various articles based on it.

He agreed to join City in the summer but the eventual offer from City came so late on that it left Arsenal with not enough time to get a replacement. When it came to the winter transfer window, City expected to get him relatively cheaply or leave it until he was a free agent in the summer. United decided to throw money at Sanchez, his agent, and tempt Arsenal with Mkhitaryan. Our offer was so ridiculous that City weren't interested in matching it. Sanchez chose the money over City. Had we offered a sensible salary, he would have gone to City. Arsenal were willing to pay him £15m a year. I believe City's offer was less.
Yes, I remember the summer move. The BBC said it will go through if Arsenal sign a replacement... Which they failed to do.

So not only did United overpay for a flop, but they actually took prevented City from getting him. Wow... When it rains, it pours, eh?

Thanks for the reply, by the way!
 

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To release him you'd have to pay up his contract....

It's rumoured he's earning 20 million a year in wages, over the next four years that's 80 million. We'd have to agree on a buyout figure with Sanchez to get him to agree to leave that contract, we're basically fecked.
Could we not just sneak some PED’s in his food and wait for the anti doping people to get him. Then sack him for being a drug cheat?
 

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Could we not just sneak some PED’s in his food and wait for the anti doping people to get him. Then sack him for being a drug cheat?
It would be a win win really
 

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just a greedy mercenary only here because we offered to pay him alot more than arsenal would .
 
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That's the minimum figure, provided we are in the CL and he doesn't demand a transfer. There are bonuses on top of £20m a year. I think the range is up to £25m. The details are in the Football Leaks book and various articles based on it.
You never know for sure, but there is some discussion of this here:

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/footbal...ed-s-contract-revealed_sto6882351/story.shtml

So he gets bare minimum £411,000 per week (£391,000 wage plus £1.1 million signing on fee divided by 52). Then he's basically guaranteed to get the appearance fee, because you're not going to pay someone £411,000 per week to do nothing. Then there will be other bonuses.

Ultimately, you're looking at a £500,000 per week wage. And he's got nearly 4 years left on his contract. So he will earn in the region of £100 million in the remainder of his United career if he sees out his contract.

So if United wanted to buy out his contract tomorrow, they'd have to offer him at least half of that. It would be a bare minimum £50 million. If you could offer him that, and he could get a contract worth £250K per week then he'd be as well off as he is now. So in order for United to buy out his contract, you'd need a bid of £50 million + tax. So £60 million. That's just so United could have a chance of buying his contract out, and breaking even.

If someone came in and offered £60 million, and a big enough contract to Sanchez, and he was agreeable to it, and all issues could be resolved then United could get rid of him. But what they would have effectively done is released the best paid player in the PL on a free transfer. Admittedly, this would free up some wage budget, but you'd have a hard time selling this to the money men, I fancy.

The numbers will evolve as his contract runs down, but he will also be 30 by the time of the next transfer window.

Also, I don't want to sound sanctimonious, but those sort of numbers are the reason why I've gone off football to a large extent. The gulf between owners, players and fans is a chasm, and I wouldn't want to put any more money in their pockets than I do by watching on TV. And I'm dubious about whether I want to continue doing that.
 

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You never know for sure, but there is some discussion of this here:

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/footbal...ed-s-contract-revealed_sto6882351/story.shtml

So he gets bare minimum £411,000 per week (£391,000 wage plus £1.1 million signing on fee divided by 52). Then he's basically guaranteed to get the appearance fee, because you're not going to pay someone £411,000 per week to do nothing. Then there will be other bonuses.

Ultimately, you're looking at a £500,000 per week wage. And he's got nearly 4 years left on his contract. So he will earn in the region of £100 million in the remainder of his United career if he sees out his contract.

So if United wanted to buy out his contract tomorrow, they'd have to offer him at least half of that. It would be a bare minimum £50 million. If you could offer him that, and he could get a contract worth £250K per week then he'd be as well off as he is now. So in order for United to buy out his contract, you'd need a bid of £50 million + tax. So £60 million. That's just so United could have a chance of buying his contract out, and breaking even.

If someone came in and offered £60 million, and a big enough contract to Sanchez, and he was agreeable to it, and all issues could be resolved then United could get rid of him. But what they would have effectively done is released the best paid player in the PL on a free transfer. Admittedly, this would free up some wage budget, but you'd have a hard time selling this to the money men, I fancy.

The numbers will evolve as his contract runs down, but he will also be 30 by the time of the next transfer window.

Also, I don't want to sound sanctimonious, but those sort of numbers are the reason why I've gone off football to a large extent. The gulf between owners, players and fans is a chasm, and I wouldn't want to put any more money in their pockets than I do by watching on TV. And I'm dubious about whether I want to continue doing that.
We wouldn't have left our selves open to a massive pants pull-down. Ed might not be football savvy but he doesn't give daft contracts we can't get out of in some way.

Would expect there to be some sort of performance clause or at the very least a buy-out clause should we wish to end the contract early.

There's no way I'm believing we would have to pay Sanchez in excess of £100m to end his contract. It would be the worst and most one sided contract ever. It would be that bad, Donald Trump would be talking about it.
 

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We wouldn't have left our selves open to a massive pants pull-down. Ed might not be football savvy but he doesn't give daft contracts we can't get out of in some way.

Would expect there to be some sort of performance clause or at the very least a buy-out clause should we wish to end the contract early.

There's no way I'm believing we would have to pay Sanchez in excess of £100m to end his contract. It would be the worst and most one sided contract ever. It would be that bad, Donald Trump would be talking about it.
There may be some buy-out clause, but I would highly doubt the buy-out clause states "we can get rid of Sanchez after a year if we think we're paying him too much, and he turns out to be a bit sh*t". They can buy his contract out in the event of some professional malpractice, but if Sanchez turns up to training every day, agrees to play when he's told to play, and doesn't shoot anyone, then they have to honour his contract.

Chelsea tried everything to force Winston Bogarde out of the club, but he just turned up to training every day and ran his contract out. They couldn't do anything. There was another recent example with Rooney, where Everton wanted to get shut of him because he was massive overpaid. But Rooney had to agree to this. If he hadn't agreed to go to the MLS then they would have had to have honoured it.

Unfortunately, you can't just get rid of someone who has signed a 54-month contract after 7 months because they haven't scored enough goals. If you want to buy their contract out at this point in time then it will cost a vast amount of money.
 

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There may be some buy-out clause, but I would highly doubt the buy-out clause states "we can get rid of Sanchez after a year if we think we're paying him too much, and he turns out to be a bit sh*t". They can buy his contract out in the event of some professional malpractice, but if Sanchez turns up to training every day, agrees to play when he's told to play, and doesn't shoot anyone, then they have to honour his contract.

Chelsea tried everything to force Winston Bogarde out of the club, but he just turned up to training every day and ran his contract out. They couldn't do anything. There was another recent example with Rooney, where Everton wanted to get shut of him because he was massive overpaid. But Rooney had to agree to this. If he hadn't agreed to go to the MLS then they would have had to have honoured it.

Unfortunately, you can't just get rid of someone who has signed a 54-month contract after 7 months because they haven't scored enough goals. If you want to buy their contract out at this point in time then it will cost a vast amount of money.
I hear you but Sanchez can't be happy with how it's going for him so far at United and perhaps it's the massive wages he's on that's causing disharmony in the changing room and putting a lot of pressure on him to perform, all of which he isn't coping well with.

If Jose were to tell him in December that he won't be playing much in the second half of the season as we have better options and it's within his best interests to find a new club, I would guarantee he would leave if the price was right. No one wants to become the best played player to never play.

I would be willing to bet there will be a clause that states something like we can pay him 50% out his contract upfront upon a termination should all parties come to that agreement.

Sanchez isn't Winstone Bogarde and sitting on the bench and playing for the reserves won't make him happy, no matter how much he's on.
 

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Why cant this guy play on the fecking right wing??
Think about how he's playing now in his favourite position, and imagine it being 10 times worse cause he's got a sulk on for being told to play on the right.
 

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Could we not just sneak some PED’s in his food and wait for the anti doping people to get him. Then sack him for being a drug cheat?
That’s brilliant. Someone based in Manchester starting scouting the places he eats out at, and let’s set this plan into motion :devil:
 

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He's been proper shite hasn't he? City game & Cup semi aside. Niggest let down since Falcao?
Bigger. Falcao was a loan, so even if he didn’t work out, we weren’t obligated to keep him on, also he was coming off a career threatening injury, so naturally we would have expected a drop off in performance. Falcao was more a punt than anything else.

Compare that to the negatives of this deal:
A) Highest wages in the league
B) 5 year contract
C) An all action, constantly plays his heart out type player who appears to be in physical decline
D) Was arguably the best attacker in the league the two seasons before, so came in with a huge reputation and expected to be a catalyst for us.

When you look at it like that, it’s hard to really pinpoint a signing that’s been as much of a flop since Veron.
 

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Shame...

No one can doubt his ability. He's a fantastic footballer..

Why it's not working here is beyond me.
I feel bad in a way (Not financially. F**k that) but he is starting to remind of Rooney at the end.

Was worth a punt but, in hindsight, a bad move
 

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Shame...

No one can doubt his ability. He's a fantastic footballer..

Why it's not working here is beyond me.
I feel bad in a way (Not financially. F**k that) but he is starting to remind of Rooney at the end.

Was worth a punt but, in hindsight, a bad move
He can’t even do the basics right. At asnl he was great in one on ones and good on the ball. I don’t mind him trying passes that doesn’t come off but every part of his game is off.

Should have kept mhki - and I did not like mhki!
 

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He has probably been subbed more often since he has been at United than he had been in his entire Arsenal career! I remember him being stroppy after Wenger took him off early.
I guess he has Atom & Humber to cheer him up later in the evening.
 

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He can’t even do the basics right. At asnl he was great in one on ones and good on the ball. I don’t mind him trying passes that doesn’t come off but every part of his game is off.

Should have kept mhki - and I did not like mhki!
As I said, worth a punt but, just hasn't worked out.

Shame but, it happens
 

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We could not start him and save £1m every match day. That's a positive i guess.
That's probably some made-up 'fact' by the media. I can't see how that's viable over the length of his contract.

If he starts like 50 matches a season or 10% of United's turnover just on his starting 'bonus? Plus his 350k/week salary?

Doesnt make any financial sense.
 

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Watching Alexis nowadays is emotional. It brings back painful memories of Rooney's decline which hurt. Seeing a former great, toil as he cannot do it anymore but has the same ego and belief in his ability, is quite sad. Its like a slow death, almost like he drowning right in front of us. Alexis used to be my favourite outside of United and when we signed him, I felt like the little boy who finally got the new toy for Xmas, the one all the other little boys have and the one he has been begging his mum for years. This is just painful though. I don't get how he has lost his technical qualities. He used to be a mean dribbler.
 

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Di Maria at United > Sanchez at United

Given the way he has been playing, I cannot help but wonder if he really is 30? I know that there were strong rumours about some Colombian players (Falcao the best known one) having their ages fakes? It is far fetched, but I cannot find any other explanation for him becoming so crap all of a sudden. Ok, there is Rooney as a similar example, but one cannot compare the two. Alexis really looked after himself, the guy is ripped.

EDIT: I know Alexis is not Colombian, just mentioned Colombia are both are South American countries.
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That's probably some made-up 'fact' by the media. I can't see how that's viable over the length of his contract.

If he starts like 50 matches a season or 10% of United's turnover just on his starting 'bonus? Plus his 350k/week salary?

Doesnt make any financial sense.
I don't know whats real anymore. Him getting £400k a week sounds ridiculous too.
 

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I don't know whats real anymore. Him getting £400k a week sounds ridiculous too.
Thats so true. I remember Keano was negotiating for a 60k/week contract and I thought football had gone mad back then. I remember thinking: No player is worth that much.
Now I think even a McTomminny is on that.
 

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And Sanchez scored 24 from the wing the season before. Things change. Sanchez has more chance of doing something down the middle than Lukaku at the moment and can at least control a ball. And he moves to boot. Lukaku can do more on the wing than anyone else that plays there.
It won't work. The only reason inside forward like Sanchez, Hazard etc score goals from the wing area is because they like to exploit the gap between the advancing wingback and the centre back, if you cage them between two CBs and the DM, then they'd struggle very badly. Hazard is an amazing player and he basically got Conte fired for trying him as a striker. It just won't work for Sanchez.
 

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Yes, I remember the summer move. The BBC said it will go through if Arsenal sign a replacement... Which they failed to do.

So not only did United overpay for a flop, but they actually took prevented City from getting him. Wow... When it rains, it pours, eh?

Thanks for the reply, by the way!
I have little doubt that the whole thing was done mainly to one up City. Getting a player they wanted at all cost with zero planning in how to use as well as possible for the team
 

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At what point does Mourinho drop him? Because other players have been dropped for much less. Pogba was dropped last season for a few games. Martial was dropped. Rashford has a bad game and will be dropped. Juan Mata the same. Yet Sanchez consistently puts in below par displays and still keeps his place.
 

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This guy is stealing a living . The sooner we get rid of him the better.
 

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You never know for sure, but there is some discussion of this here:

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/footbal...ed-s-contract-revealed_sto6882351/story.shtml

So he gets bare minimum £411,000 per week (£391,000 wage plus £1.1 million signing on fee divided by 52). Then he's basically guaranteed to get the appearance fee, because you're not going to pay someone £411,000 per week to do nothing. Then there will be other bonuses.

Ultimately, you're looking at a £500,000 per week wage. And he's got nearly 4 years left on his contract. So he will earn in the region of £100 million in the remainder of his United career if he sees out his contract.

So if United wanted to buy out his contract tomorrow, they'd have to offer him at least half of that. It would be a bare minimum £50 million. If you could offer him that, and he could get a contract worth £250K per week then he'd be as well off as he is now. So in order for United to buy out his contract, you'd need a bid of £50 million + tax. So £60 million. That's just so United could have a chance of buying his contract out, and breaking even.

If someone came in and offered £60 million, and a big enough contract to Sanchez, and he was agreeable to it, and all issues could be resolved then United could get rid of him. But what they would have effectively done is released the best paid player in the PL on a free transfer. Admittedly, this would free up some wage budget, but you'd have a hard time selling this to the money men, I fancy.

The numbers will evolve as his contract runs down, but he will also be 30 by the time of the next transfer window.

Also, I don't want to sound sanctimonious, but those sort of numbers are the reason why I've gone off football to a large extent. The gulf between owners, players and fans is a chasm, and I wouldn't want to put any more money in their pockets than I do by watching on TV. And I'm dubious about whether I want to continue doing that.
I'm really trying to understanding the logic where it's OK if they are earning 150k a week but 500k is obscene and is putting you off football. Both numbers are ridiculous and is beyond the wildest imagination of any regular person so in my view the numbers are just arbitrary. Also, I'm probably in the minority but I'd rather the money went to the players who entertain us every week than to the owners. Sanchez on the other hand is robbing us blind because he's not performing at the level we expected him to perform when we gave him the contract but It was a gamble we made because of how low the fee to get him was considering his contract situation.
 

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Could we not just sneak some PED’s in his food and wait for the anti doping people to get him. Then sack him for being a drug cheat?
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