It's ok to define people by their political view but not religious view?
Nearly half of conservatives do not fit your description of them.
Ultimately you should take your own advise.
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It's ok to define people by their political view but not religious view?
Nearly half of conservatives do not fit your description of them.
Ultimately you should take your own advise.
Ha. No. Re-read what I said. I'm talking about a specific sub-section of conservatives, chiefly the membership of the Conservative party. What I'm saying is based on their actions and the result of polls where they freely express their own views. If you were to talk about a specific group of Muslims, for instance members of the Saudi Arabia ruling elites, then we'd have a different discussion. You did not. You referred to 'Muslims' as a whole and lumped together over a billion people into one cohesive identity.
I believe that the Conservative party membership is predominantly xenophobic, Islamophobic, bigoted and made up of mostly old white men. I do not believe that this applies, certainly not to the same extent, to the typical person who identifies as a conservative. The former is a more extreme strata of the latter.
But also this, to an extent.
It's possible to disagree with and condemn certain backwards views of Islam whilst also thinking Muslims shouldn't be discriminated against and aren't one homogeneous bloc.
Especially in a democracy like the UK. Those shit head parents who didn't want their children to go to a school because of LBGT lessons have no actual power in society, they aren't going to influence politics on local level yet alone national one, the only power they have is sadly the one over their children. Whereas in the next few weeks less than 200,000 tory members are going to chose the prime minster for a country of 60 million people. That is power to shape society.
The obvious view is that no one should be discriminated against, regardless of belief. Political or religious.
...so stop espousing bigoted views against Muslims then.
Seems like Boris has noticed the public aren't buying it and is blaming... his girlfriend.
I haven't been doing that. Islam is a religion, and this country gives people religious freedom. As long as beliefs do not cause people to violate the laws of the land, there's no problem.
It is a fact that the overwhelming majority of Muslims believe that homosexuality is a sin against Allah. Make of that what you will, but religious freedom in this country gives muslims the right to believe this way.
We haven't seen the polls in thoae parties. This is about Tories. Have we seen polls on anti semitism on Tories or Libs?
Imagine a poll of Labour memebers showed 43% did not want a Jew as PM. Wouldn't we say that is a problem?
Fecking hate politicians.Photo courtesy of Damage Control Media:
"Get off my fecking laptop...darling."
Re: Lab/Con perceived/proven Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia
It’s simple, you don’t share those views & suspect the party at least in part holds them, whether publically or secretly, don’t vote for them. Any attempt to deal with it will be insincere anyway no doubt, so hit them in the ballots.
I’m sure the Lib Dems & Greens will be grateful for your vote if either of the above are a big enough issue for you. I’d have thought that’s who the majority of this forum should be voting for, rather than doggedly insisting on trying to give the Labour Party some kinda Electoralconvulsive Therapy. They’re clearly not listening to you & probably, all things considered, not worth the effort.
Meanwhile, Tories are a utter shambles, they should have gone with Gove the consistent Brexiteer, Johnson is a d**khead and his MP Lapdogs can’t see the wood for the trees & Hunt will be May Mark II, a Remainer Sheep in Wolf’s clothing, with similar results.
Why the feck anyone would want to vote Lab/Con at the moment? Because they’ve got the established brand names? Is that it?
It’s simple, you don’t share those views & suspect the party at least in part holds them, whether publically or secretly, don’t vote for them. Any attempt to deal with it will be insincere anyway no doubt, so hit them in the ballots.
I’m sure the Lib Dems & Greens will be grateful for your vote if either of the above are a big enough issue for you. I’d have thought that’s who the majority of this forum should be voting for, rather than doggedly insisting on trying to give the Labour Party some kinda Electoralconvulsive Therapy. They’re clearly not listening to you & probably, all things considered, not worth the effort.
Meanwhile, Tories are a utter shambles, they should have gone with Gove the consistent Brexiteer, Johnson is a d**khead and his MP Lapdogs can’t see the wood for the trees & Hunt will be May Mark II, a Remainer Sheep in Wolf’s clothing, with similar results.
Why the feck anyone would want to vote Lab/Con at the moment? Because they’ve got the established brand names? Is that it?
I'm referring to the MPs, not the membership.
Luckily he doesn't need to bother with the current lot.
Well who could have guessed that Boris Johnson is an absolute asshole...
Pretty much everyone.
Pretty much everyone.
Here's his interview in full with Laura Kuenssberg from this evening. An absolute car crash on Brexit. He has no plan, at all:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48752002/boris-johnson-interview-in-full
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48752002/boris-johnson-interview-in-full
Spineless bastard lets him walk all over her.
Trying to find a bookie who'll give me odds on Kuenssberg being a Tory Director of Communications before the next (scheduled) election.
She's dreadful. I want to see Johnson locked in a room with Andrew Neil for 30 minutes.
Who was that toad on Newsnight tonight claiming Britain would be “quids in” in case of a hard Brexit and that it’s more in the EU’s interest to negotiate a trade deal than in Britain’s??? The tw@t is either lying through his teeth or he lives in cloud cuckoo land and has complete lack of grasp of economics and it’s manufacturing & agricultural supply lines.
About what? Why he didn't bring a bottle of the good stuff to the Spectator summer party?
That was Bernard Jenkin, the noted fantasist.
The Uk will be begging for Theresa May's return after too long.
Boris bargaining chip: UK MEPs
EU: OK, you can p!ss off now then.
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Boris' proposal is to renegotiate with the EU before October by.... well, he didn't go into specifics. But if he said he can do it then, by golly, he can do it! Just like he got that £350M for the NHS.
The sad thing is, the dumb fecks who believed his bullshit the last time around will believe him again.
The sad thing is, the dumb fecks who believed his bullshit the last time around will believe him again.
To be fair, he's an abrasive right winger but he's also the best political interviewer on TV. He also doesn't care who he takes apart eg here he is eviscerating Steve Baker live on the BBC last year:
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...and total tosspot. I despair how he ever got elected.
Boris LBC interview was as expected a total shit show.
It's incredible that some journalists give certain politicians a free ride. I mean this is probably the biggest event they'll ever cover and they don't see it as part of their job to ask the tough questions.
Conservative Party Leader candidate Boris Johnson claims he likes to make models of buses in his spare time
She's got to find something to do once Brexit is over, it's keeping her gainfully employed for the past 3 years.
im pretty sure they will just spin brexitcast off into a weekly politics show and that will keep her busy for the next decade or so
I'm honestly not picking on him because I dislike his politics & personality but his frequent mumbling/talking to himself makes me wonder about his mental health. Is it early-stage... something?*
*I don't know enough about conditions like dementia & others to be precise.
*I don't know enough about conditions like dementia & others to be precise.
Boris' campaign is reminding me a lot of the Tory 2017 one so far.
It's replacing This Week.
Unbelievable. He's blatantly talking whatever crap comes into his head that he thinks sounds impressive.
'I get old...uhm...I don't know...wooden crates?'
you can almost hear his inner monologue going 'hmm yeah big fecking wooden crates that sounds good and down to earth, the public will love this'.I'm willing to bet he has never made a model bus in his entire life. Look at him. He doesn't even have the attention span to be able to sit down in a barber's chair for any longer than five minutes.
Maybe he should take a lead from this lady:
Aye, a shocking amount of presumption from his camp that he's got it in the bag and doesn't need to do anything at all, which has allowed Hunt to go on the offensive, albeit a very tacit offensive from someone who simultaneously wants a major cabinet position should he lose.
Said it before but Hunt's a weird one. He's devoid of any political charisma and he was maligned as HS but he managed to blunder his way into a bigger office and could still yet end up in the top office. Somehow he's managed to not alienate any wing of the party completely. Even if he's a bit rubbish he's quite a somewhat skilled operator insofar as internal party matters are concerned. Or maybe he's lucky as feck and I'm giving him too much credit.
Always been a bit like that, I genuinely think it's mostly just a mixture of the persona he likes to play and his general incompetence.
What you're saying is that he's actually Stalin.
I think it's just late stage posh