ICC Cricket World Cup 2019

NinjaFletch said:
I don't know if you are or aren't a racist as I don't know you, but I can fully accept you probably didn't make the conscious decision that you don't like him playing for England. I do think that subconsciously you focused on Archer because he looks different and made a point you wouldn't have made (and didn't make) about those three at the time. That doesn't make you a terrible person, we all carry subconscious biases and assumptions when it comes to race whether people are willing to admit it or not, but, in this instance it led to you repeating a talking point which people who definitely are racists strongly believe and have been bleating on about for months.

All I'm hoping to achieve by highlighting it is that you think about why that was one of your first thoughts when England had just won the World Cup.
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Again, I accpect the timing of the post was poor. However, Archer was relevant compared to the others as his case was so high profile recently and he had just bowled the final over to win the WC.

I don't accept that it was my subconscious talking. The reason for this? I know how I've felt about players like KP playing for England in the past. I've been consisent with my feelings on the topic.

Thanks for the discourse.
 
Summit said:
People tend to stick up for their country, you'd be the same if the boot was on the other foot had your country just won the wc and people were trying to shit on it
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If it was India who won like this you wouldn't here a peep from him. This is a guy who wants a replay of the semi just because his team lost.
 
Summit said:
People tend to stick up for their country, you'd be the same if the boot was on the other foot had your country just won the wc and people were trying to shit on it
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Nah, I enjoy that our brilliance upsets small-timers. Getting beaten by better teams is always hard to take so salty bitterness is understandable if you haven't the class to accept when you are inferior.
 
Shit rule to hand Eng the title. Feels like MCC thought that the probability of this happening is too low and hence hastily drew the rules.
There were numerous metrcis that they could've used to break the tie break:
H2H
More points in league stage
Fewer wickets lost (as that is a metric used in DL method along with runs)
Another Super over with different set of players
Using the ball by ball breakdown as a sudden death criteria (Whoever scored more in the 1st ball, then 2nd ball and so on)

Anyways Congrats England, you've arguably been the best ODI side of the last couple of years, and you deserve it for the consistency atleast
 
Grinner said:
Nah, I enjoy that our brilliance upsets small-timers. Getting beaten by better teams is always hard to take so salty bitterness is understandable if you haven't the class to accept when you are inferior.
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Damn, just because India's a third world country doesnt make them inferior.
 
Samid said:
Why are some of the Indian fans so bitter? You lot had a golden chance to knock England out but you didn't even try to win the game.
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As an Indian fan I’m not bitter towards England winning, more India fecking their own chances up. India cruised to the semis without a middle order and had the management and selection been on point we’d have had a much better chance of winning the whole thing.
 
Samid said:
Why are some of the Indian fans so bitter? You lot had a golden chance to knock England out but you didn't even try to win the game.
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Was a bizarre game too.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Wait.

Do people still genuinely believe this is a good argument?
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:lol:

There's several far more legitimate reasons why he feels this way about Archer. He didn't move to England until he was 18. Until the ECB changed its rules 7 months ago he wouldn't even have been eligible to play. He just bowled the winning over. You have decided though that the reason he's selected Archer is because he's black. And now he's explained why he feels that way about Archer, and why he also feels the same way about KP, you're still TELLING him it's because, deep down, he's still a wee bit racist. Unbelievable.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
It's every time, in any sport you get people furious and bitter trying to belittle it.

It's remarkable.
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Doesn't matter what we win, could be tiddlywinks or could be the football world cup final .. there will always be bitter 'Anyone But England' fans who haven't quite been able to accept our sheer majesty as a nation.
 
0le said:
I went to school in the UK and the sports was always focused more on Rugby and Football. Cricket was never played. Maybe its different now or was (and is) different at other schools, but the feeling I got was that Football and Rugby were top.
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A lot of the cricket season happens when schools are on break though. It also takes a lot of space, kit etc. The flip side of this is that rugby often faces the stigma of being rough and a hard sport which puts people off.

I couldn't say which is the bigger sport nationally but local to me cricket appears bigger. Lots more local teams and leagues running. And I say this as someone raised in a rugby playing family who played the game through childhood and as an adult.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Really doesn't matter that he bowled the last over at all, England win the world cup not just Archer. That's a bollocks cop out excuse.

He moved over when he was 18 so fecking what his dad is English and he has British passport so why does when he moved to the UK matter in bloody slightest? Doesn't matter if his case is different, the poster said (after i had asked him) that he didn't agree with them playing for England either. So why not just state you don't agree with certain types of players representing England rather than single out one player? We just won the world cup and he bowled the last over, but if that's one of the first things you can say after we've just won a world cup you're gonna called out on it end of. He has no credibility whatsoever and got rightly called out on his bollocks views.
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Of course it does.

I've literally made that same point to him already. So fantastic counter point, well done.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Doesn't matter what we win, could be tiddlywinks or could be the football world cup final .. there will always be bitter 'Anyone But England' fans who haven't quite been able to accept our sheer majesty as a nation.
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I love it personally! Would rather be hated than be a nothing, non-entity sporting nation.
 
Cricket, bloody hell...

Imagine trying to explain the madness of the last 30 minutes of the final in football analogies to two people who know nothing about cricket. I don’t think I fully succeeded.
 
ivaldo said:
:lol:

There's several far more legitimate reasons why he feels this way about Archer. He didn't move to England until he was 18. Until the ECB changed its rules 7 months ago he wouldn't even have been eligible to play. He just bowled the winning over. You have decided though that the reason he's selected Archer is because he's black. And now he's explained why he feels that way about Archer, and why he also feels the same way about KP, you're still TELLING him it's because, deep down, he's still a wee bit racist. Unbelievable.
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Timing of the comment wasn't great and can see why people think it could be racist, but he's explained himself and can understand where he's coming from now.
 
At the end of the day we got massively lucky but that can happen if you find yourself in a close situation in sport. NZ had chances to be more positive at the end of their innings and potentially none of this happens. They didn’t deserve to lose but it goes like that sometimes.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Doesn't matter what we win, could be tiddlywinks or could be the football world cup final .. there will always be bitter 'Anyone But England' fans who haven't quite been able to accept our sheer majesty as a nation.
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We give these sports to the world and accept that they will eventually become better at them then us. But occasionally we will triumph and remind the world that we can still play a bit.
 
Oldyella said:
A lot of the cricket season happens when schools are on break though. It also takes a lot of space, kit etc. The flip side of this is that rugby often faces the stigma of being rough and a hard sport which puts people off.

I couldn't say which is the bigger sport nationally but local to me cricket appears bigger. Lots more local teams and leagues running. And I say this as someone raised in a rugby playing family who played the game through childhood and as an adult.
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Nice to hear. I guess the most important thing is that a) the young kids are getting into sports and b) the young kids are enjoying it too!

SquishyMcSquish said:
The collective crying whenever England win something is so hilarious.
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This.
 
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