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Bruno's arrival looks like great news for Pogba. The weight of being the only creative force has been completely lifted and in the last two games he hasn't looked like he's trying to force it at all. Playing relaxed and picking his moments to do things, which seems to have actually increased his creativity/productivity with less energy expended.

Should only get better too as his fitness improves and his understanding with Bruno.

Long may it continue :D
 

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Imagine the Chelsea fans putting Kovacic over Pogba in a combined 11 last week. :lol:
Not even in the same stratosphere!
 

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Bullshit. Aguero has quiet games like every player ever and these pundits don't use those games as opportunities to pick apart his hairstyle or character. One of the biggest myth ever to be paraded around these boards are these talks about these opposing team players always all the time delivering when that isn't anywhere near the truth.

Just off the top of my head I can already think of like 3 or 4 games off Aguero had this season including his no show against us at Old Trafford but we'll keep hearing how he consistently deliver. Utter nonsense.
So the player with the highest EVER goals to games ratio in the Premier League having been here for 10 years doesn't consistently deliver? Wow.
 

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This sums up this forum in a nutshell. Aguero has been so hit and miss this season. Scored lots of goals but gone totally missing in a number of key games. He's part of the reason they're so far behind Liverpool.
He's on 5 reasons in a row of 20+ league goals. Has the best goals to games ratio of any Premier League player ever. He has enough credit in the bank if he misses some chances, the same way Kane does for Spurs.
 

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He's on 5 reasons in a row of 20+ league goals. Has the best goals to games ratio of any Premier League player ever. He has enough credit in the bank if he misses some chances, the same way Kane does for Spurs.
I don't think anybody is (or shouldn't be) doubting Aguero's goal scoring record, but the fact that Martial is close to his output is the thing to take away from this.

With proper service he could hit 20 league goals no problem. Martial as a striker is a different player than as a wide man.
 

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Good performance, I do think when we get a more mobile DM it'll benefit us as he can play a bit higher up, closer to Bruno.
 

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Brilliant football by a brilliant football as I've always maintained he's more natural in midfield as opposed to his fake zidane impression. Now how about we stop blaming him for our mediocrity and put better players around him. Our front 6 is literally 2 players from bring a CL winning quality front 6.
 

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Brilliant football by a brilliant football as I've always maintained he's more natural in midfield as opposed to his fake zidane impression. Now how about we stop blaming him for our mediocrity and put better players around him. Our front 6 is literally 2 players from bring a CL winning quality front 6.
Who’s the best option to play defensive midfield? I think we all know who the ideal right winger is already.
 

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The way Pogba played last night was what he shudda been doin' since he got here but he and his fans were gassed into thinkin' he's a De Bruyne. Bruno gives the ball away but only ever in the final third and almost always when he's tryin' something clever.

If he has to stay, which looks more likely by the day, I hope we can all move past this Pogba free role nonsense. Bruno is clearly way, way better in that position than him.

This is what I want from Pogba but I imagine after a few games fans will start to demand he be pushed further up the pitch because there won't be as much to make YouTube vids out of
 

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The way Pogba played last night was what he shudda been doin' since he got here but he and his fans were gassed into thinkin' he's a De Bruyne. Bruno gives the ball away but only ever in the final third and almost always when he's tryin' something clever.

If he has to stay, which looks more likely by the day, I hope we can all move past this Pogba free role nonsense. Bruno is clearly way, way better in that position than him.

This is what I want from Pogba but I imagine after a few games fans will start to demand he be pushed further up the pitch because there won't be as much to make YouTube vids out of
Oh brother :rolleyes:

It's like these lot have never seen him play for Juventus and France the way they pull this stuff out their backsides...
 

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Oh brother :rolleyes:

It's like these lot have never seen him play for Juventus and France the way they pull this stuff out their backsides...
For France when he was booed for his terrible performances before the 18 World Cup or for France durin' the WC, wherein he played behind Kante and Matuidi and was praised mostly for his discipline?

For Juve I only saw him in the CL where he was always pretty quiet.

Anyway now that we have an AM who does their job hopefully Pogba will stay a mature player and concentrate on dominatin' the midfield while breakin' every now and then
 

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So the player with the highest EVER goals to games ratio in the Premier League having been here for 10 years doesn't consistently deliver? Wow.
I'm telling you what's been happening this season factually and you're busy asking me while baffled if he doesn't consistently deliver.

The fact is, he hasn't consistently delivered this season. It's a fact not opinion or conjecture I'm coming up with. Even if you don't watch all the games played by rival teams to know this, you probably at least watched him against us this season at Old Trafford where he was quiet just as an example to illustrate to you that he has off games.
 

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The way Pogba played last night was what he shudda been doin' since he got here but he and his fans were gassed into thinkin' he's a De Bruyne. Bruno gives the ball away but only ever in the final third and almost always when he's tryin' something clever.

If he has to stay, which looks more likely by the day, I hope we can all move past this Pogba free role nonsense. Bruno is clearly way, way better in that position than him.

This is what I want from Pogba but I imagine after a few games fans will start to demand he be pushed further up the pitch because there won't be as much to make YouTube vids out of
Pogba has been playing well for us, there is this misconception about Pogba. First season we got EL / League cup and CL because of Pogba was part of the team.

He then fell out with Jose for one reason or another, then Ole brought him back to form and now he has just returned from injury.

I agree with the second paragraph, Bruno is a better AM because he has the silkier touch.

The last paragraph is nonsense. Pogba has shown for France that he can be disciplined and performances like yesterday shows he can still produce magic from a deeper role.
 

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I'm telling you what's been happening this season factually and you're busy asking me while baffled if he doesn't consistently deliver.

The fact is, he hasn't consistently delivered this season. It's a fact not opinion or conjecture I'm coming up with. Even if you don't watch all the games played by rival teams to know this, you probably at least watched him against us this season at Old Trafford where he was quiet just as an example to illustrate to you that he has off games.
Of course has off games? Everyone does? He's scored 16 goals in 18 starts this season. How is that not consistently delivering?
 

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I think it’s clear that pogba performs better from a deeper position with freedom to go forward. It’s why we have to start looking at elite matic replacements if he can’t consistently perform for 38 games a season. Just looking at that 3rd goal that started because Pogba made a pass from deep that bypassed Sheffield’s midfield. Bruno also showing his class to play in the hole helped a lot. We no longer have to rely on lingard miscontrolling a pass or pereira lack of spatial awareness. Basically what I’m trying to say is good players win you games.

what Pogba needs now is to build chemistry with Bruno and matic so that they give less balls away. Also would like them to work more on ball retention because at some point against the bigger teams we want to be the dominant force and not have to rely on counterattacking.
 

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Of course has off games? Everyone does? He's scored 16 goals in 18 starts this season. How is that not consistently delivering?
The answer is in the way he reached 16 goals in the league. He scored 8 goals during his first 6 games then 1 during the following 8 and then 7 in the following 4 and then none in the following 6 games. This season Aguero isn't consistent, he is streaky. Last season he was consistent and in general he is consistent even though he has some pretty bad games to his name like every other players.
 

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Pogba has been playing well for us, there is this misconception about Pogba. First season we got EL / League cup and CL because of Pogba was part of the team.

He then fell out with Jose for one reason or another, then Ole brought him back to form and now he has just returned from injury.

I agree with the second paragraph, Bruno is a better AM because he has the silkier touch.

The last paragraph is nonsense. Pogba has shown for France that he can be disciplined and performances like yesterday shows he can still produce magic from a deeper role.
Glad you've 'come around' with Pogba but let's be honest, Jose fell out with the entire squad and Pogba was made the scapegoat by Moanrinho and the media.

Even in your wording, your subconscious has made it out like it wasn't obvious or there's 'more to the story' about their 'spat' other than the fact that Mourinho acted like cnut here.
 

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The way Pogba played last night was what he shudda been doin' since he got here but he and his fans were gassed into thinkin' he's a De Bruyne. Bruno gives the ball away but only ever in the final third and almost always when he's tryin' something clever.

If he has to stay, which looks more likely by the day, I hope we can all move past this Pogba free role nonsense. Bruno is clearly way, way better in that position than him.

This is what I want from Pogba but I imagine after a few games fans will start to demand he be pushed further up the pitch because there won't be as much to make YouTube vids out of
:lol::lol:

Bruno is way way better in a free role but Pogba creates the most chances every single game from the pivot. Spare me this Bruno talk, there's no comparison to be made.
Pogba at 10 is a top 3 most productive footballer in the World and easily our best AM but unfortunately Pogba is also our best CM (while not as good as the 10) and Bruno isn't as good enough defensively .

And Bruno lose the ball far more while being less creative than Pogba was at 10 previously, if he played a pivot it would be a disaster
 

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It's really been foolish to count Pogba out, I've had to argue against many of them over the past year or two but it's so obvious how talented, professional, and gifted he is but that he was always put in a difficult situation where the onus was on him to create everything, which of course the opposing teams knew and the lack of movement (among other things) up front was never going to make him look good, and yet he led the team in pretty much major categories and statistically competes with any top midfield players out there when he's on the field.

He's still far and away United's best and most talented player, but now it's not all up to him, and he can pick and choose the best moments to go for a bit of magic and other times where he just needs to be disciplined and play simple. He's only going to improve, as is the rest of the squad, and it can't be said enough how important a guy like Fernandes can be to unlocking Pogba to his full potential, and vice-versa.

However, I'm not buying that Fernandes has heart or leadership in a way that Pogba doesn't, one is a world cup champion and was a major leader of his squad, the other played in Portugal and was available for years before finally making the jump. I think people are underrating Pogba a little bit while overrating Bruno Fernandes. They're both great, but there's no doubt to me that Pogba is a class above. Sometimes I've seen Bruno misplay many passes that Pogba would get killed for here, so I guess we're still in the honeymoon stage with Fernandes.
 

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It's really been foolish to count Pogba out, I've had to argue against many of them over the past year or two but it's so obvious how talented, professional, and gifted he is but that he was always put in a difficult situation where the onus was on him to create everything, which of course the opposing teams knew and the lack of movement (among other things) up front was never going to make him look good, and yet he led the team in pretty much major categories and statistically competes with any top midfield players out there when he's on the field.

He's still far and away United's best and most talented player, but now it's not all up to him, and he can pick and choose the best moments to go for a bit of magic and other times where he just needs to be disciplined and play simple. He's only going to improve, as is the rest of the squad, and it can't be said enough how important a guy like Fernandes can be to unlocking Pogba to his full potential, and vice-versa.

However, I'm not buying that Fernandes has heart or leadership in a way that Pogba doesn't, one is a world cup champion and was a major leader of his squad, the other played in Portugal and was available for years before finally making the jump. I think people are underrating Pogba a little bit while overrating Bruno Fernandes. They're both great, but there's no doubt to me that Pogba is a class above. Sometimes I've seen Bruno misplay many passes that Pogba would get killed for here, so I guess we're still in the honeymoon stage with Fernandes.
How long has Pogba been in the PL and how lang has Bruno? It's so frustrating when our own fanbase starts to make these unnecessary comparisons of the players in the team, talking about who is overrated and underrated.

Same thing happens with Martial and Rashford, "oh Martial is leagues above Rashford", "Rashford is miles better than that lazy guy Martial", "Rashbonlahor only plays because we are Brexit FC, Martial and Pogba are the only worthy to play", etc. What does all of this achieve?

Fernandes is a special player and has barely been able to adapt to English football and our own team. Leave the comparisons for after we have started winning trophies and titles again.
 

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How long has Pogba been in the PL and how lang has Bruno? It's so frustrating when our own fanbase starts to make these unnecessary comparisons of the players in the team, talking about who is overrated and underrated.

Same thing happens with Martial and Rashford, "oh Martial is leagues above Rashford", "Rashford is miles better than that lazy guy Martial", "Rashbonlahor only plays because we are Brexit FC, Martial and Pogba are the only worthy to play", etc. What does all of this achieve?

Fernandes is a special player and has barely been able to adapt to English football and our own team. Leave the comparisons for after we have started winning trophies and titles again.
Well this is a sports forum where comparisons, no matter how early or ridiculous, are made daily, it's nothing out of the ordinary. I'm also not the one coming out with this comparison, I'm simply responding to some of the noise around Pogba and Fernandes coming from your fanbase, some of it on this very page.
 

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Well this is a sports forum where comparisons, no matter how early or ridiculous, are made daily, it's nothing out of the ordinary. I'm also not the one coming out with this comparison, I'm simply responding to some of the noise around Pogba and Fernandes coming from your fanbase, some of it on this very page.
Hold on, you are not a United fan?
 

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The answer is in the way he reached 16 goals in the league. He scored 8 goals during his first 6 games then 1 during the following 8 and then 7 in the following 4 and then none in the following 6 games. This season Aguero isn't consistent, he is streaky. Last season he was consistent and in general he is consistent even though he has some pretty bad games to his name like every other players.
Exactly. Put Martial scoring like that and the consensus is that he's inconsistent and all that but have Aguero score like and you have people start talking about what his name means etc.

Even in non streaky season like this one, one would find gap between those good performances where he didn't show up 100% and had quiet games. Happens to any player, even the most lauded ones. Problem is that the Caf don't watch them weekly to be well aware about those sub standard performances and instead are only aware of the cool highlight which create this perception that these guys turn up world class performances every single game.

Now in case of Pogba you have the Caf who watch every single one of his games. So let's say he has 7 good, great games out of 10 while 3 being sub par and the consensus here will be that he's inconsistent.

People on these boards are simply not aware how not consistent the players from other teams they love lauding if we go by their definition of consistency ad inconsistency.
 

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Bruno gives the ball away but only ever in the final third and almost always when he's tryin' something clever.
Yeah I don't like this sort of criticism. It's Bruno's job to attempt difficult, incisive passes. Many are bound not to come off. The same was levelled at Giggs when he moved to a central role. It's what creative players do.

Bruno has taken a lot of pressure off of Pogba and he appears to be thriving because of it. Let's hope it continues.
 
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He's on 5 reasons in a row of 20+ league goals. Has the best goals to games ratio of any Premier League player ever. He has enough credit in the bank if he misses some chances, the same way Kane does for Spurs.
Yes, but the post was about how consistently well he is playing this season, to criticise Pogba's perceived habit of going missing in big games. Aguero has gone missing in a surprising number of big games this season. His consistency across his career has nothing to do with my point.
 

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Yes, but the post was about how consistently well he is playing this season, to criticise Pogba's perceived habit of going missing in big games. Aguero has gone missing in a surprising number of big games this season. His consistency across his career has nothing to do with my point.
My point was that no one mentions Aguero's hair if he dyes it because he's consistently scored goals for Man City for 10 years, won golden boots, and is one of the greatest strikers the Premier League has ever seen. I did say I don't think that Pogba's hair ever has anything to do with his form, I just think that's why no one mentions Aguero's hair.
 

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My point was that no one mentions Aguero's hair if he dyes it because he's consistently scored goals for Man City for 10 years, won golden boots, and is one of the greatest strikers the Premier League has ever seen. I did say I don't think that Pogba's hair ever has anything to do with his form, I just think that's why no one mentions Aguero's hair.
Yes, Aguero has done more than enough in his time in the PL to warrant not being criticized in the same manner as others if he goes missing every now and then, we know all strikers go through that and it's (IMO) by far the most difficult position to play consistently well.
 

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It's really been foolish to count Pogba out, I've had to argue against many of them over the past year or two but it's so obvious how talented, professional, and gifted he is but that he was always put in a difficult situation where the onus was on him to create everything, which of course the opposing teams knew and the lack of movement (among other things) up front was never going to make him look good, and yet he led the team in pretty much major categories and statistically competes with any top midfield players out there when he's on the field.

He's still far and away United's best and most talented player, but now it's not all up to him, and he can pick and choose the best moments to go for a bit of magic and other times where he just needs to be disciplined and play simple. He's only going to improve, as is the rest of the squad, and it can't be said enough how important a guy like Fernandes can be to unlocking Pogba to his full potential, and vice-versa.

However, I'm not buying that Fernandes has heart or leadership in a way that Pogba doesn't, one is a world cup champion and was a major leader of his squad, the other played in Portugal and was available for years before finally making the jump. I think people are underrating Pogba a little bit while overrating Bruno Fernandes. They're both great, but there's no doubt to me that Pogba is a class above. Sometimes I've seen Bruno misplay many passes that Pogba would get killed for here, so I guess we're still in the honeymoon stage with Fernandes.
It's really obvious that Fernandes demands much more from his team mates than Pogba. That doesn't define leadership but it does define a style of it and we don't need to see any more of Fernandes to know that. Pogba won't ever be that player, and that is the kind of leadership this team needs at least in the short term. There's quite a few players in the team that feed on that energy, Pogba being one of them. Saying that he has that kind of leadership doesn't equate to thinking he's a better player.
 

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It's really obvious that Fernandes demands much more from his team mates than Pogba. That doesn't define leadership but it does define a style of it and we don't need to see any more of Fernandes to know that. Pogba won't ever be that player, and that is the kind of leadership this team needs at least in the short term. There's quite a few players in the team that feed on that energy, Pogba being one of them. Saying that he has that kind of leadership doesn't equate to thinking he's a better player.
It's as obvious as the fact that Martial doesn't care about football because he doesn't smile when he plays; it's a narrative, not a fact. I know he was captain in Sporting for a couple of years, but I don't know that he demands more from his teammates than anybody else on this team, I think it's condescending to the rest of the squad to even suggest that from a fairly new recruit. I've also seen Pogba be a leader on the highest stage in world football, so I know at least for a fact he has leadership qualities, which is part of the reason he was often a candidate for captaincy throughout his youth career, and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets back to that in his senior career.

Either way, it's kind of a pointless argument. People have their views on Pogba which I think are often far from the reality and remnants of the seeds Mourinho planted about his character or lack of leadership qualities, which some people hang on to still to this day (not saying that's where you're coming from, but some do). Ultimately, it can only be good for the team that there are more leaders on it.
 

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Yes, Aguero has done more than enough in his time in the PL to warrant not being criticized in the same manner as others if he goes missing every now and then, we know all strikers go through that and it's (IMO) by far the most difficult position to play consistently well.
Nothing justifies the kinda extreme criticism Pogba received. Not even his inconsistent fooball.
 

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Now in case of Pogba you have the Caf who watch every single one of his games. So let's say he has 7 good, great games out of 10 while 3 being sub par and the consensus here will be that he's inconsistent.

People on these boards are simply not aware how not consistent the players from other teams they love lauding if we go by their definition of consistency ad inconsistency.
Agreed. Think it’s caused by the consequences. More likely than not if Pogba has had a bad game we’d have lost or drawn and the performance is blamed for that.

It’s the same with our defenders, when they make mistakes it’s often scrutinized more than in other clubs and again I think it’s because we for a long time often suffered a loss or a draw from a single mistake. Hopefully when improving we can win matches despite of bad/subpar performance and mistakes because as you imply every great player has subpar performances and every defender will make mistake.
 

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Glad you've 'come around' with Pogba but let's be honest, Jose fell out with the entire squad and Pogba was made the scapegoat by Moanrinho and the media.

Even in your wording, your subconscious has made it out like it wasn't obvious or there's 'more to the story' about their 'spat' other than the fact that Mourinho acted like cnut here.
Oh no, I do know there was more to it. Pogba was an easy scapegoat. Jose imo had a negative effect on many players and to name a few: Martial, Rashford and Shaw.

We can see he is already doing that at Spurs in his first season with Ndombole.
 

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Anybody see the golden boy KDB give the ball away on the half way line that then let to a penalty and a red card for City? ;)

I'm sure the City version of this thread will be going crazy right about now... right?
 

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Anybody see the golden boy KDB give the ball away on the half way line that then let to a penalty and a red card for City? ;)

I'm sure the City version of this thread will be going crazy right about now... right?
Yeah I saw that and was fuming at KDB. He should have just carried on with his attempt at falling William and get a yellow card instead of letting him go.

Though if Pogba let lose a ball which lead to penalty and we then lose, we'd never hear the end of it. His attitude, hairstyle and everything else about him would be questioned. Sky would allow Sourness a platform of 30 minutes post match to just rip into Pogba.
 

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Think there have been more than enough of these examples of late but I’ll keep posting, because the crap I was reading on here while our player was injured was disgraceful. ‘Ole has exiled him because he’s bad for team spirit’, ‘bigger than the club’, ‘need him out of the dressing room’ and so on and so forth. He’d been injured not quite 3 or 4 weeks when the question of whether he’s faking his injury was first posed and has he played his last game for the club.

After all that, all it took was 20 minutes back on the football pitch.
 

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Remember that poster who was convinced Pogba was feigning injury and had played his last game for the club?
 

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The way Pogba played last night was what he shudda been doin' since he got here but he and his fans were gassed into thinkin' he's a De Bruyne. Bruno gives the ball away but only ever in the final third and almost always when he's tryin' something clever.

If he has to stay, which looks more likely by the day, I hope we can all move past this Pogba free role nonsense. Bruno is clearly way, way better in that position than him.

This is what I want from Pogba but I imagine after a few games fans will start to demand he be pushed further up the pitch because there won't be as much to make YouTube vids out of
Bruno isn’t clearly better than Pogba at anything on a football pitch. Ok, penalties, I’ll give you penalties.
 
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