He'll make a big difference but one player doesn't solve everything. In this day and age you can't carry poor players. New RB and another midfielder are needed for the buildup to improve at the very least. That's leaving attack aside.Would adding de Jong to that midfield have made much of a difference today? I’m not so sure. Hopefully ETH knew the size of the job on his hands.
Didn’t we all know that this will take time?We talked about this before though. You told me the same exacts words and I told you I won't get positive until the actual season starts and I see actual changes on the pitch. Here we're, still fecking shit.
At this point it's your problem and few others here who keep believing these false dawns and getting their hopes up before actually waiting to see something positive on the pitch.
I’m so use to supporting City nowadays , Utd losing doesn’t even hurt as much. That’s how fecked up it is!Absolutely nothing is going to change as long as we're depending on the same core of players. We're entering the season thinking signing a 30 years old on free transfer who had just returned to the sport after a big incident is what's going to push the team from 6th to top 4. Nothing against Eriksen, he's a very good player but he's not the one who's going to transfer a shit team especially considering his age and situation.
We fecked up another season.
I can't believe this but when was the last time I couldn't give a shit about the Premier League starting ? United has killed my interest in this awful sport for good.
Have you watched those two arseholes in midfield today?Would adding de Jong to that midfield have made much of a difference today? I’m not so sure. Hopefully ETH knew the size of the job on his hands.
That's why I have Erik taking part of the blame too, he watched Brighton toy with the same midfield last season and I am sure he also had videos of our entire season to see that midfield was a huge issue. Incompetence all round. I will say it again I genuinely hate every leech working above the manager at Manchester United Football club.From my memory, we needed a midfielder since 2018. In the meantime we purchased:
We also let go of:
- 2 keepers (Grant, Heaton)
- 2 left backs (Malacia, Telles)
- 2 right backs (Dalot, AWB)
- 3 centre-backs (Maguire, Varane, Martinez)
- 3 attacking midfielders (Donny, Bruno, Eriksen)
- 4 right wingers (Amad, Pellistri, Sancho, Dan James)
- 3 strikers (Ighalo, Ronaldo, Cavani)
And ten Hag only sees De Jong as an option. Is he delusional?
- Herrera
- Fellaini
- Pogba
- Matić
- A. Pereira
Thats my thoughts really. If its a choice, I’d rather we sign a couple of dependable midfielders rather than chasing after a star name. We seem to make the same mistakes over and over.It baffles me how we're only after de Jong when we need at least two starting midfielders.
No these players are hopeless case. As long as they're the main core of the team, nothing is going to change no matter how much time and how many managers you sign to manage them. He doesn't need time with the players, he needs to throw the majority of the squad off the club.Didn’t we all know that this will take time?
It took Klopp more than 2 seasons to get them challenging for the title and by that point the whole team had changed and not 3 players.
I’m being patient and not throwing him under the bus 45mins into the season. He’s really had barely any time with the players. 2 months at best?
I’m sure by the 2nd half of the season we’ll look much different
Exactly. We played well against Liverpool but massively tailed off after that. And our last 3 in particular were really poor, but most concerning was how many of the same issues remained from last season.We put in some semi decent performances initially against clubs that were fielding weakened teams. Then our form went to shit when teams took the pre seasons more seriously.
It's mind boggling that we're going into another season with the usual suspects that were horrific last season starting... you can't polish turds.
Theres more than two arseholes out there I’m afraid.Have you watched those two arseholes in midfield today?
You really do like your assumptions, do you. Just to get that one out of way: I have absolutely nothing with Ronaldo and couldn't believe it when he was re-signed by United last year. But that's besides the point. Let's get to your sources.I think we might be going around in circles here because you said in an earlier message that you don't trust the media and I'm assuming you are a big Ronaldo fan and wont hear a bad word against him. Furthermore, I'm guessing what is going on behind the scenes at Man United, but so are you.
The actual video has been posted here in this thread. Ten Hag does not talk about Ronaldo specifically. The Telegraph, like all English media (see also the pre-match press conference) have been focusing in on Ronaldo individually, but Ten Hag never did that. He continually keeps saying that it was not just Ronaldo and that the focus on him is bad reporting.The fact is, four days ago the Telegraph, which is a respectable newspaper, said this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...eptable-cristiano-ronaldo-leaving-manchester/
"Erik ten Hag has slammed Cristiano Ronaldo over his “unacceptable” behaviour after the wantaway striker made an early exit from Manchester United’s friendly against Rayo Vallecano.
And United’s problems on the eve of the new season were piling up with Chelsea attempting to hijack their protracted move for Ten Hag’s No. 1 transfer target Frenkie de Jong.
Ten Hag was left fuming after Ronaldo - who wants to quit the club - and some of his United team-mates left before the end of Sunday’s 1-1 draw against Vallecano.
Asked if Ronaldo and the other players involved would be fined, United sources said the situation was an internal disciplinary matter but Ten Hag made no attempt to hide his anger in an interview with Dutch television.
“I certainly don’t condone this,” Ten Hag told Viaplay Sport Netherlands. “This is unacceptable. For all those involved. We are a team and that means you have to stay until the end [of the game].”
And that's where your own bias shines through. Why are you not even willing to consider the option that Ten Hag is speaking the truth? That there were multiple players, and that he thinks that, this first time this occurred, a stern rebuke was enough?That does seem to single out Ronaldo, but if as you say, he hasn't done that, well my response would be this: the people above him have told him not to, because they want Ronaldo to stay for commercial reasons, not footballing ones.
Here even more your bias shines through. We all know basically nothing about what happened during that game, apart from that some players left. But here you're positing that it was Ronaldo that led Dalot and Bruno 'astray'. How do you know it's them and that Ronaldo would have influenced them? To give you just one other option: maybe a bunch of those Saturday players proposed to leave, and Ronaldo figured he might as well join them. That's completely as hypothetical as your scenario - both of which are completely made up by you and me.As regards treating all the players who left early the same - well he obviously wont do that, because apart from Ronaldo, the others had played on Saturday not Sunday & that has been explained repeatedly. That Dalot and Bruno Fernandes were lead astray by CR7 is yet another reason to hold Christiano to account, in my opinion. Finally I think United have a better chance of getting a result vs Brighton today without Ronaldo, rather than than with him - he can't be fit having only had 45 mins pre-season - but without Ronaldo, Dalot and Bruno and maybe others (who I don't know about) well they might be struggling. Brighton do expect to play against 11 today, not 5!
As others have pointed out, Ronaldo wasn't late, he was given an exemption, as Ten Hag time and again said. But here again, your bias shines through, cause you responded to those posters that this must have been the club going over Ten Hag's head by giving Ronaldo permission for this absence. Where's your actual evidence for that? You know nothing about Ronaldo's possible reasons for the absence, and nothing about what conversations may or may not have been had inside the club. So why make up such a dramatic story, that basically already leads to a write-off of the season and the Ten Hag?I don't trust it quite as much as the Telegraph, but this is in the Express today:
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...aldo-Erik-ten-Hag-Brighton-team-news-transfer
Former Liverpool defender Steve Nicol makes a good point: that ETH brought in 5 strict rules and if you break them you don't play. One is lateness and Ronaldo was certainly late to pre-season!
“So if you’re late you can’t play, but if you don’t even bother going to training and missing the whole pre-season you can still play? You make rules, you’re putting yourself on the line and now he has put himself right on the line Ten Hag. The fact that Martial is injured, he maybe has no choice but at the same time if he plays him, then people should start questioning him.
Just to wrap this up, I think your strong conviction that playing Ronaldo will hurt the team (which I would tend to agree with; I don't see him functioning well in a Ten Hag team - but then Haller did kinda work at Ajax), as well as your obvious dislike for Ronaldo (at this stage in his career, anyway) are leading you to spin a narrative you like. But as far as I can tell, you're really just fabricating stories.The key is this, with Martial injured should ETK risk going back on his own strong discipline and pick Ronaldo. I say NO - pick a youth player if necessary. If he does pick Ronaldo, the season will be just the same as last time.... we all thought Ralf Rangnick sounded good in his first press-conference, we all thought he was starting out well stamping down on poor body language/petulance... but look what happened to him.
He got a job 6 weeks after resigning.No one touching Overmars, he’s jobless for a long time now, not in football anyway
I think he means De Jong on his own would not be good enough. We always needed 2 players in there.Have you watched those two arseholes in midfield today?
Bargain buy. He’d fit in that starting eleven straight in. There’s always Neves but he’s pricey.I can't believe you aren't targeting a DM or someone like that Palhinha lad that went to Fulham.
De Jong would be playing instead of McTominay. This McTominay:Would adding de Jong to that midfield have made much of a difference today? I’m not so sure. Hopefully ETH knew the size of the job on his hands.
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Agreed. Been banging on about this for months.I think he means De Jong on his own would not be good enough. We always needed 2 players in there.
What top club does this period ? It makes absolutely no sense It doesn't matter how renown a manager is a squad that has less capabilities than the previous season is backwards progress.Almost like starting this season with a worse squad than started last season isn't a good idea.
He’ll still be starting next to one of Fred or McT, likely isolated and marked out of the game by the opposition.He'll make a big difference but one player doesn't solve everything. In this day and age you can't carry poor players. New RB and another midfielder are needed for the buildup to improve at the very least. That's leaving attack aside.
At no point did they ever look as bad as that first half against Brighton. This isn't a dig at ETH but expecting players that produced last season's disaster class to suddenly start becoming competent footballers is madness. Be different if there was just two or three but the majority of them are still there.Didn’t we all know that this will take time?
It took Klopp more than 2 seasons to get them challenging for the title and by that point the whole team had changed and not 3 players.
I’m being patient and not throwing him under the bus 45mins into the season. He’s really had barely any time with the players. 2 months at best?
I’m sure by the 2nd half of the season we’ll look much different
