Yeah, in my (admittedly pretty insignificant) job as a EU political analyst, she always comes up flying. I am not expert enough of UK recent history to understand why Labour never had her as leader (Italy is the same… glass ceiling for women in the left, and now the first possible woman PM from the right if her male allies let her try)
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They would be backing Truss, as who else would they be backing??
Truss is at least currently at 10:53am UK time, their leader in name only right now, so they would have to come out and publicly say just why she would be or is a better leader than Sir Kier, and why they back her.
As soon as anyone does that, their credibility would be zero.
The only party that will remove her from office is the Tories.
They will not allow Labour to claim her scalp and will try to save face. I'm shocked that you can't see that.
They know she needs to go, but cannot decide on an alternative which is saving her. A VoNC brought by Labour will only act as motivation to decide on a unifying candidate to be brought in in due course.
Your input is far from insignificant. We need to hear from people like you with your wider experience.
Exactly that.
There isn't a unifying candidate, that is the point, there isn't anyone who can bring the party together, as such names like Boris, Hunt and Sunak all have their respective issues (two of those are criminals, the other destroyed the NHS), so where this notion comes from that all of sudden everything would be harmonious in the Tory party, and everyone would be singing from the same hymnn sheet, I have no idea.
No matter who they chose, or if they stick with Lizz, there is no way that they could come together.
Yes, because she is delusional.
Also one of my candidates for the women you like that are not traditionally attractive, I think she's just lovely.
That's why you don't put your enemy on 'death ground'.
If they think they have time for their positions to win in the party they will continue to fight without compromise, if there is the hard deadline of an opposition VoNC people are more likely to hold their noses and compromise and argue for legitimacy. Putting them in that position with 2 years to gaslight the public would be stupid.
Allowing infighting against themselves is the correct political policy by Labour.
Let me clarify so I don't get this wrong, in what way do you think they are the same?
Make me
They are not white.
Also since when is it appropriate to double barrel a vote on an important environmental issue into a confidence vote in the Prine Minister?
Stuff like that should automatically trigger a general election by law. It's not in anyone in the country's interest to have people running it who make childish personal squabbles and national law/policy into the same thing.
Stuff like that should automatically trigger a general election by law. It's not in anyone in the country's interest to have people running it who make childish personal squabbles and national law/policy into the same thing.
With all the talk of Boris I wonder if he even wants the gig again. He's had a little taste of the vast riches he can earn as an ex PM an might fancy the quiet life.
14 Tory MP's now (according to what I have seen on the TV) have now publicly come out and said that Truss must go, do you honestly think, that they would switch gears and say, "hold on, actually she should stay, as she is far more preferable to Sir Kier."??
If they did that, they would get laughed at.
How can you say that you want her gone, but then say at the same time, you want her to stay on??
There really is no way that a VoNC wouldn't be a good thing to do for Sir Kier, making Tories have to come out publicly and say they support Lizz would be great, as those that do, would be easy fodder for Labour to pick off.
She is right wing and ran on supporting right wing policy during her leadership bid. To have a chance of becoming labour leader, you have to at least lie about liking left wing policy.
Also yeah the party membership has a issue with picking anyone who isn’t a white bloke.
He craves the limelight, him being put of it for too long would male him itch for it again.
Criminals like him, can't stay silent for too long...
Yes, those tories would vote for the government in an opposition VoNC
Keep it going lad
And then that would be them done as MP's, and would be easy fodder to get rid of, as they would have the tag of hypocrites labeled to them.
I will for as long as he and Sunak stay as criminals.Keep it going lad
Ahhh, ha.
This is a HERE WE GO moment.
Back door at Lizzy's request I bet.
She’s done. Shambles they will select another leader & move on rather than call an election.
Keep it going lad
Saying a black British person has more in common with, say, a Syrian than with a white British people is a bit problematic if you really think about it.
What a Circus
If they can't trigger a leadership election then they'll 100% vote against the government in a VONC. It would be the only remaining path to forming a new government and getting rid of Lizzy.
They'd form a new government under Hunt/Boris/Rishi then formalise the party leader position afterwards.
May as well make Graham Brady the fecking PM at this point.
They will try to move on, but I can't see them being allowed to, under what mandate would a new PM be trying to govern or to lead by??
Whisky and pearl handled revolver included.
If she really asked to meet Brady what's the chances she's threatening the 1922 committee with calling a General Election?
Not Boris or Rishi, they would get slaughtered as both are criminals.
She does not have the power. Parliament needs to vote for an early election to take place.