F1 2023 Season

[christy87]

He may do, but it would be a daming indictment of the failure of F1 rules brought in to stop the dominance by a single team i.e. the reduction of wind tunnel time and CFD the more successful you are.

The big problem with thinking this would solve the problem is that they countered this with the cost cap, you can have all the wind tunnel time you want, but If a team picks the right route first you basically need more money to catch them before and during a season, as all the winning team has to do is spend a bit here and there, while improving, whereas you’d have to blow the budget to think your catching up

 

[christy87]

As for where I see max going, Aston Martin would be a shout, they’ll be a works team brand new facility, if not max Charles could end up there

 

[goalscholes]

He may do, but it would be a daming indictment of the failure of F1 rules brought in to stop the dominance by a single team i.e. the reduction of wind tunnel time and CFD the more successful you are.

They brought in ground effect cars, in which of the whole grid, only the world’s best car designer had experience with and did his thesis in.

They then let that car exceed the cost cap without any substantial points penalty.

If they are trying to stop the dominance of a single team, they’re very, very incompetent.

 

[SilentWitness]

Or maybe when he hits his early 30s, a new young superstar happens to luck into a car that wins him a few WC's and denies max for a few seasons.

You think he will stay in F1 that long? I wouldn't be surprised if he retired from F1 at 30 and moved into a different racing environment.

 

[dinostar77]

The big problem with thinking this would solve the problem is that they countered this with the cost cap, you can have all the wind tunnel time you want, but If a team picks the right route first you basically need more money to catch them before and during a season, as all the winning team has to do is spend a bit here and there, while improving, whereas you’d havetoblow the budget to think your catching up

I agree, at the moment it doesnt work.

 

[dinostar77]

You think he will stay in F1 that long? I wouldn't be surprised if he retired from F1 at 30 and moved into a different racing environment.

Hard to tell, depends how motivated and hungry he is to go after the records (unless hes broken most of them).

 

[dinostar77]

As for where I see max going, Aston Martin would be a shout, they’ll be a works team brand new facility, if not max Charles could end up there

Or even Audi. Though if i were ferrari. I'd start planning in secret to lure him to marinello for 2026. Strat getting the organisation sorted out, getting the right appointments in and have a team of talented people in key positions ala schmacher andbm the ferrari dream team. Sell the project to verstappen about following in schumacher footsteps and making ferrari world champions again.

 

[The Firestarter]

Or even Audi. Though if i were ferrari. I'd start planning in secret to lure him to marinello for 2026. Strat getting the organisation sorted out, getting the right appointments in and have a team of talented people in key positions ala schmacher andbm the ferrari dream team. Sell the project to verstappen about following in schumacher footsteps and making ferrari world champions again.

Without a Ros Brown type of figure it would be in vain. Even with their current drivers they can do much better but need to sort out their operations.

 

[Gringo]

You follow where the best engineers go. Can't wait till Newey retires.

 

[christy87]

Or even Audi. Though if i were ferrari. I'd start planning in secret to lure him to marinello for 2026. Strat getting the organisation sorted out, getting the right appointments in and have a team of talented people in key positions ala schmacher andbm the ferrari dream team. Sell the project to verstappen about following in schumacher footsteps and making ferrari world champions again.

Can't see Ferrari getting there act together behind the scenes anytime soon, they would need a horner/wolf type of character in the team to demand success, AM have got that with daddy stroll, Audi are a good shout as well.
Maybe Gunter is exactly what Ferrari needs a cnut who says it's shit straight to the engineer's face.

 

[dinostar77]

You follow where the best engineers go. Can't wait till Newey retires.

Problem is 20 years ago we had Newey, Gordon Murray, Rory Byrne, john barnard, patrick head.

Who do we have now left? Just Newey? F1 needs a new generation of car designers to come through who all arent former Newey pupils.

 

[dinostar77]

Can't see Ferrari getting there act together behind the scenes anytime soon, they would need a horner/wolf type of character in the team to demand success, AM have got that with daddy stroll, Audi are a good shout as well.
Maybe Gunter is exactly what Ferrari needs a cnut who says it's shit straight to the engineer's face.

Its deja vu with ferrari, they were in a mess and schmacher (plus jean todt - GM, Rory Bryne - Chief Designer and Ross Brawn - Technical Director) got them back to the top from 1996 onwards.

I think they should have kept Binotto on as technical director (by all accounts he is a fantastic technical engineer). Have fred vassuer as GM and get a hotshot young and hungry car designer in. Also someone who understands race strategy! Leclerc is wasted there at moment.

 

[christy87]

Problem is 20 years ago we had Newey, Gordon Murray, Rory Byrne, john barnard, patrick head.

Who do we have now left? Just Newey? F1 needs a new generation of car designers to come through who all arent former Newey pupils.

The thing with back then, I'm just guessing here was group C in le mans let those engineers cut there teeth, with the regulations back then and the amount of constructors, maybe in a few years, with the LMPH getting loads of works entries we will see that, also wouldn't mind seeing the team that came up with the Peugeot this year getting a shot

 

[dinostar77]

Mid season aero and CFD reshuffle.

 

[Zlaatan]

How many races have been lost because Ferrari cant get it together?

had a question for all here, not being able to follow F1 live races for a while now due to other commitments, I am seeing headlines like Max is parallel to other greats etc.

again no offense to Max fans but I believe he has won 2 championships so far, admittedly driving very well but only 2 so far. Let him go on for another 3-4 championship to put him alongside other greats. Wouldnt that be logical?
I get that he's very young & he could dominate the sport for another 10 years easily. but atleast let him do that.


what am I missing?

He's been in F1 for a decade already and showed long before he started winning championships that he's a mega talent who was consistently one of the fastest drivers on the grid, with a lot of people labeling him a future world champ at a time when he was still a teenager. He's got most of the records for "youngest driver who did X" and no matter what people say about the last race of his first championship season he still had to keep pace with a 7-time world champion throughout the whole year to get to that point, which is pretty remarkable for a 23-year old. Now he's on his way to a 3rd title and even though he's still got a ways to go to cement himself as one of the greats I think he at least has a foot in the door.

I also don't really see the logic in him having to win 5-6 WC's to get his seat at the table when most of the greats never won that many titles. Senna won 3 titles and is regarded by most as the greatest ever, even though there are 5 drivers who have won more titles than him. (I'm not comparing Max to Senna btw, just saying that the number of WC's isn't the be all end all)

 

[Ahmer Baig]

The FIA has closed off a potential loophole in Formula 1’s cost cap regulations to prevent teams from making use of staff outside of spending restrictions, Autosport has learned.


https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...2.1010328517.1687592624-1933860796.1687592624

 

[Abizzz]

The FIA has closed off a potential loophole in Formula 1’s cost cap regulations to prevent teams from making use of staff outside of spending restrictions, Autosport has learned.


https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...2.1010328517.1687592624-1933860796.1687592624

I hate how anti development F1 has become. We would never have DCT's or paddle shifters in road cars if this lot had been around 25-30 years ago. God forbid a car company uses one of their developments in their car. Sacrilege.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Austria this weekend and a sprint race .


30JUN Friday

Practice 1
12:30 - 13:30

30JUN Friday

Qualifying
16:00 - 17:00

01JUL Saturday

Sprint Shootout
11:00 - 11:44

01JUL Saturday

Sprint
15:30 - 16:00

02JUL Sunday

Race
14:00

And there is rain forcaste.
Friday for the Qualifying for the Sprint rain and thinderstorms


Spielberg - BBC Weather

 

[altodevil]

Rather get rid of sprint races than the glazers. Kills an f1 weekend more than constructor domination.

 

[Leg-End]

Max will win this one by at least 30 seconds, total RB/Max domination land.

 

[The Firestarter]

Max will win this one by at least 30 seconds, total RB/Max domination land.

Ha-ha yes boys! That was a good one.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Red Bull win at the Red Bull ring is a cast iron cert.

 

[BusbyMalone]

Rather get rid of sprint races than the glazers. Kills an f1 weekend more than constructor domination.

They're so shit, yet they appear to be sticking with them for the foreseeable. Having qualifying on Friday is just nonsense.

 

[ZIDANE]

Not sure what's going on at Alpine these days, Ryan Reynolds now invested in them alongside some other investment funds (the ones that bought AC Milan).

 

[hobbers]

Cant wait for Ryan Reynolds to start chasing Ocon around the pit lane trying to steal his helmet

 

[RoadTrip]

Rather get rid of sprint races than the glazers. Kills an f1 weekend more than constructor domination.

Calm down

 

[Amar__]

Anyone been to Austria? Any tips?

I am going for the weekend in Spielberg, hate Sprint races when I am at home, but can't deny it's great to have 3 days of racing as a fan next to the track, pure 3 days of F1

Rather get rid of sprint races than the glazers. Kills an f1 weekend more than constructor domination.

I agree with this too except this weekend.

 

[altodevil]

Anyone been to Austria? Any tips?

I am going for the weekend in Spielberg, hate Sprint races when I am at home, but can't deny it's great to have 3 days of racing as a fan next to the track, pure 3 days of F1




I agree with this too except this weekend.

Have a great time, lovely country. Less rude than the Swiss. Still a bit snooty though so best not to order a tap water so you can use a shitter etc.

 

[Amar__]

Have a great time, lovely country. Less rude than the Swiss. Still a bit snooty though so best not to order a tap water so you can use a shitter etc.

Thanks, I've been to Graz last year actually, but never been on F1 race. Info says their tap water is safe.

 

[Ahmer Baig]

Austrian Grand Prix

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Anyone been to Austria? Any tips?

I am going for the weekend in Spielberg, hate Sprint races when I am at home, but can't deny it's great to have 3 days of racing as a fan next to the track, pure 3 days of F1




I agree with this too except this weekend.

take a waterproof coat , Saturday looks pretty wet, but Sunday looks dry.
If your there, then yeah I can see the attraction of the Friday qualifying and Saturday shenanigan's, but the sprint race is for me a waste, just extra money at a time when they are big on the cost budget.
But enjoy your weekend.

 

[Amar__]

take a waterproof coat , Saturday looks pretty wet, but Sunday looks dry.
If your there, then yeah I can see the attraction of the Friday qualifying and Saturday shenanigan's, but the sprint race is for me a waste, just extra money at a time when they are big on the cost budget.
But enjoy your weekend.

Yeah, simple raincoat was the first thing I bought.

I think there's much more money for the organiser during sprint weekends.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Formula 1 is looking to expand, having invited applications from prospective teams looking to join the grid starting in 2026.

And now a British-based team — with a new investor alongside — has confirmed their interest.

British based Hitech Pulse-Eight confirmed on Monday their application to FIA seeking to join F1 starting with the 2026 season. Hitech, which currently competes in Formula 2, Formula 3, and Formula 4, stated in a press release that “...after 20 months of planning and extensive preparation at its Silverstone base, Hitech made its application for entry into the FIA Formula One World Championship from the 2026 season, a move that would complete its single-seater ladder and demonstrate that Hitech has all the right people, experience and resources to complete alongside the best teams in the world.”

Hitech was founded in 2015 by Oliver Oakes, and has already grown into a six-team operation competing in F2, F3, F4, with 150 people employed at its headquarters in Silverstone.

The company also announced that Kazakh businessman Vladimir Kim was acquiring a 25% stake in the group.

Hitech confirms their application to join F1 (msn.com)

 

[Ahmer Baig]

Rain prediction on all 3 days. This will be fun.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

can somebody please shut this daft old idiot up.
Lewis Hamilton accused by Helmut Marko of 'massively' denting Alex Albon's confidence (msn.com)

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Rain prediction on all 3 days. This will be fun.

yeah noticed that, Friday thunderstorms during qualifying

 

[rimaldo]

can somebody please shut this daft old idiot up.
Lewis Hamilton accused by Helmut Marko of 'massively' denting Alex Albon's confidence (msn.com)

could be that, could be the way the likes of him and horner buddy up with you whilst you’re deemed useful, then pretend you’ve fecked their wives and children in front of them, when you no longer serve your purpose.

 

[11101]

Formula 1 is looking to expand, having invited applications from prospective teams looking to join the grid starting in 2026.

And now a British-based team — with a new investor alongside — has confirmed their interest.

British based Hitech Pulse-Eight confirmed on Monday their application to FIA seeking to join F1 starting with the 2026 season. Hitech, which currently competes in Formula 2, Formula 3, and Formula 4, stated in a press release that “...after 20 months of planning and extensive preparation at its Silverstone base, Hitech made its application for entry into the FIA Formula One World Championship from the 2026 season, a move that would complete its single-seater ladder and demonstrate that Hitech has all the right people, experience and resources to complete alongside the best teams in the world.”

Hitech was founded in 2015 by Oliver Oakes, and has already grown into a six-team operation competing in F2, F3, F4, with 150 people employed at its headquarters in Silverstone.

The company also announced that Kazakh businessman Vladimir Kim was acquiring a 25% stake in the group.

Hitech confirms their application to join F1 (msn.com)

They need more manufacturers not random privateers to join the backmarkers.

 

[Leg-End]

I do feel like 11 teams would be the sweet spot for F1 but it would be incredibly pointless unless its a manufacturer that's willing to throw a lot of money at it, patience and long term growth. I think the biggest issue is a big name coming in and expecting success in 3-4 years, it just won't happen and they have to be prepared for that or you just end up doing a Honda who keep dipping their toes in and out of the pool.

It has to be said the standard in F1 now is incredibly high and they probably want to protect that, we have backmarkers but roll back the years and we used to have teams trundling around 3-4 seconds off the pace in evil handling cars. Even the worst team now on it's day can score points.

 

[Ahmer Baig]

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