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Who then?We need a goal scorer. We are not in a position where we can buy multiple Antonies and hope one turn our world class unfortunately.
Who then?We need a goal scorer. We are not in a position where we can buy multiple Antonies and hope one turn our world class unfortunately.
Top level delusion from that Gasperini lad.Atalanta manager Gasperini on Man Utd and Højlund: “I don’t know whether he’ll stay or leave — but I hope the club will value Højlund around €80, 90 or 100m fee”.
“Rasmus is one of the best — if not the best — emerging talent in Europe as a striker”, he told Sky.
Personally, my main issue with the price is the pressure it puts on the kid and how the British media will use it to hammer him. Plus that it is kind of a ridiculous price for Atalanta to set - but we seem to be willing to pay it, so fair on them. Can't blame them for wanting the best deal possible.Its the price thats bothering people right? Too much for a 20 year old?
I recall what fergie used to say, "Utd dont buy superstars, they make them".
Lots of young players are a risk, sure things are few and far between. Cristiano was a risk, martial was a risk. Sometimes they work sometimes they dont.
Osimhen is the most 24 year old looking and acting 24 year old around. From dress code - to his meme type humor - way of speaking - music taste, etc. Out of everyone to throw these bozo aspersions on, Osimhen is the wrong one for it.And that he doesn’t look 24 and he’s a lot better than strikers his age statistically are. I have nothing to go on but a hunch.
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Lille scouts signed him for €12 just 4 years ago. Proper scouts.At least Minala looked old, which isn't the case for Osimhen.
Alfredo beat Romano to it.."Hojlund has a full deal with Manchester United, the talks between the clubs are done, a verbal proposal has already been made. Very soon the Red Devils will get down to business, approaching 60 million cash and adding bonuses."
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Similar build to Haaland reallyHis traps look big there is he a beast then?
Why are forums so full of people being surprised when others opine that their opinions are shite?People expressing their own opinions is a little bit the point with forums like this.
OK cool is he quickSimilar build to Haaland really
Just a few years younger.
sure but you can back the manager and also think he’s wrong on some thingsHilarious people criticising what we’re potentially paying, surely we trust and back the manager? If he thinks he’s right and worth whatever we end up agreeing then I’m fully behind it!
Two sides of a coin, sounding like just the kind of person you are moaning about here.....but I have seen several bang average players signed that people were lauding as signings like VDB and Schnederlin in windows we were heavily linked to players that were for me top quality....but seems to be very much a bias against English players as signings, especially the last couple of years when this country currently has several players just as good as those on the continentI’d agree if the Caf didn’t shite on Dan James after two games.
I’ve read in the Amrabat thread posts along the lines of : « why do we keep paying small sums for shite mediocre players instead of splashing for real class players ».
Truth is no matter the cost of the player, this place will always moan.
Yeah, and Amad Diallo was like Messi in training, I recall someone from Atalanta saying.Tweet
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Is it that much of a surprise the price Atalanta have put and is it so ridiculous in comparison to what we could potentially end up paying for Amad who was completly unnkown at the time.Personally, my main issue with the price is the pressure it puts on the kid and how the British media will use it to hammer him. Plus that it is kind of a ridiculous price for Atalanta to set - but we seem to be willing to pay it, so fair on them. Can't blame them for wanting the best deal possible.
I will still be very happy if/when he signs for us, there's something special about him - feels like watching a young Kane.
This is so vague."Hojlund has a full deal with Manchester United, the talks between the clubs are done, a verbal proposal has already been made. Very soon the Red Devils will get down to business, approaching 60 million cash and adding bonuses."
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Yeah and that's exactly why I keep on banging the drum for us to sign experienced goalscorer on a cheap deal too. Let's face it relying on Martial to stay fit is such a gamble we shouldn't be takingPersonally, my main issue with the price is the pressure it puts on the kid and how the British media will use it to hammer him. Plus that it is kind of a ridiculous price for Atalanta to set - but we seem to be willing to pay it, so fair on them. Can't blame them for wanting the best deal possible.
I will still be very happy if/when he signs for us, there's something special about him - feels like watching a young Kane.
CheckmateGabriel Jesus - 11 in 33 last season
Eddie Nketiah - 9 in 39 last season
Darwin Nunez - 15 in 42 last season
Cody Gakpo - 7 in 26 last season
Son Heung-Min - 14 in 47 last season
Evan Ferguson - 10 in 25 last season (everyones new darling on here)
Aleksander Isak - 10 in 27 last season
I could go on and on
Its really not thoughCheckmate
He just completely rebutted your point, now you are deflecting.I could care less about the other clubs given they were no where near the title. But Gabriel Jesus for Arsenal is a decent amount of gold when you have Martinelli and Saka also firing. Similar to Firmino when he had Mane and Salah. Rashford is our only goal scorer in our attack
Oh yes it was, Hojlund’s scoring ratio at his age is NOT a concern. Point set match.Its really not though
I think the negotiations for both Mount & Onana took longer,therefore it meant we had to push this deal back until we return from US tourI still can't find an explanation as to why we can't do more than one deal at the same time. What's the need for him to miss pre season if we're determined to sign him?
Some will say that it's just a case of understanding where we are in terms of funds, but considering that signing a striker was always a top priority this summer, does it make sense that we push this to be our 3rd signing?
It makes a big difference having players in for pre season, and Atlanta are willing sellers. Why haven't we negotiated this with them on June?
It actually is a concern when hes not as polished or established as most of those names in the list.Oh yes it was, Hojlund’s scoring ratio at his age is NOT a concern. Point set match.
So not prepared to give him a chance thenIt actually is a concern when hes not as polished or established as most of those names in the list.
No, that's quite clearly not what I said.So not prepared to give him a chance then
I wanted that established name in Kane,however there is excitement with this deal on how much Erik's coaching can improve himNo, that's quite clearly not what I said.
Shame he's tier 3 for transfers though
The bolded bit isn't true in the slightest. Darwin was a one in two scorer and massively underperformed his xG at that. He's in the 99th percentile for npXG and for shots. Darwin's problem was that he wasn't a great tactical fit for Klopp and as a result just didn't get enough minutes to rack up a big goal tally. He's one of those odd players that misses loads of shots and fans get at him but is a physical freak who can create lots of shots in dangerous positions for himself.Yeah I think the quality jump is a big factor, assuming a player is able to settle into the club and new surroundings well enough.
Can you share where you are seeing some of this information?
I took a search on footystats and found high level comparisons interesting between the two leagues:
https://footystats.org/italy/serie-a#
https://footystats.org/england/premier-league#
2.57 goals per game in Serie A vs 2.85 in Premier League. I don't think the absolute #goals point has much legs personally. City and Arsenal might be skewing the stats with their rampant performances and I'm curious to know how comparable the goals scored is among the mid table / relegation belly of the league.
Atalanta scored 66 goals whereas we only scored 58. But looking against the rest of the teams, I don't see a material difference. I think we probably score slightly more across the board because of the style of play being more attacking minded, and yes that builds well for strikers, but I don't think that positive landscape for strikers outweighs the negative in a quality jump required for Hojlund to hit the ground running for us.
Also I have to caveat my cynical opinion of him is based on the videos I've seen. He isn't as clean in his general play and his arial stats for a player of his height looked bang average. We can look at Darwin last season (who came in with much more impressive stats) to see how this league can eat a player up if they aren't ready.
this is usually the time people go quietWho then?
We only have one fax machineI still can't find an explanation as to why we can't do more than one deal at the same time. What's the need for him to miss pre season if we're determined to sign him?
Some will say that it's just a case of understanding where we are in terms of funds, but considering that signing a striker was always a top priority this summer, does it make sense that we push this to be our 3rd signing?
It makes a big difference having players in for pre season, and Atlanta are willing sellers. Why haven't we negotiated this with them on June?
It's true. The amount of people whinging because we aren't signing some established 30 goal a season striker. They may as well cry themselves to sleep over the fact that Van Nistelrooy is just a little bit too old these days. It has the same relevance or lack of it.this is usually the time people go quiet
it’s easy to shit on every signing, but when you look at the available strikers… frankly this kid is probably one of the best available outside of Osi
Even I'm excited for him, but I'm just worried about the jump being too early.I wanted that established name in Kane,however there is excitement with this deal on how much Erik's coaching can improve him
The tour should have no impact on transfers. Why couldn't we negotiate for Onana and Hojlund at the same time?I think the negotiations for both Mount & Onana took longer,therefore it meant we had to push this deal back until we return from US tour
I agree it shouldn't but we generally never do anything once on tour,also it's pretty unheard of to negotiate for two at the same timeThe tour should have no impact on transfers. Why couldn't we negotiate for Onana and Hojlund at the same time?
No idea why we didn't just pick up Dembele on a free as he's experienced,unsure what other cheap options are out there apart from maybe this Taremi at Porto but doesn't seem rated.Even I'm excited for him, but I'm just worried about the jump being too early.
It was briefed early on that we ideally want an experienced and a younger CF. That might still be the case.