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There’s something that I find really stomach churning about a second generation immigrant who enjoyed such privilege and hospitality in the liberal democracy of Britain he grew up in turning to fascism and pulling the ladder up behind him.
From personal experience migrants (and offspring) are just as likely to fear "others" and added to that they are more likely to feel their "own place" in society is threatened, given life experiences with locals. I have a half german half british-pakistani cousin who grew up in Milton Keynes and now lives her life in Turkey. She used to think UKIP has a point (and she's highly educated too!=)... End of the day were all just humans and everyone is susceptible to believe the easy sounding solutions.

(I'm not kidding on the half german half british-pakistani part. My family is so complicated I stopped mentioning it because people tend to think I make it up.)
 

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But he again stressed that Labour would not be able to immediately meet the demand for a 35% rise made by the British Medical Association.

“I think we’ve got to see the road back to fair pay as a journey, not an event. The public finances are a complete mess. There are, as a result, much harder choices to be made. And so we’ve got to sit down and try and agree a negotiation and compromise.”
 

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Another year of strikes ahead then.

For context on how poor the wages for doctors are in the UK, my salary as a registrar in the NHS is less than I was making in a third world country, and the wages for house officers are also worse. All this while living in a country with an exponentially higher cost of living.
 

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Michelle Mone has condemned Rishi Sunak after he expressed concern at her admission she lied about involvement in a company that won lucrative deals during Covid, saying the government “knew about my involvement from the very beginning”.

After the former Conservative peer admitted in a BBC interview on Sunday that she had been untruthful in denying a connection to PPE Medpro, which made millions of pounds in profits over a contract to provide personal protective equipment, Sunak said No 10 was taking the case “incredibly seriously”.

In a furious response to the prime minister’s comments, Mone tweeted: “What is Rishi Sunak talking about? I was honest with the Cabinet Office, the government and the NHS in my dealings with them. They all knew about my involvement from the very beginning.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/18/michelle-mone-hits-out-rishi-sunak-ppe-deals

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Michelle Mone has condemned Rishi Sunak after he expressed concern at her admission she lied about involvement in a company that won lucrative deals during Covid, saying the government “knew about my involvement from the very beginning”.

After the former Conservative peer admitted in a BBC interview on Sunday that she had been untruthful in denying a connection to PPE Medpro, which made millions of pounds in profits over a contract to provide personal protective equipment, Sunak said No 10 was taking the case “incredibly seriously”.

In a furious response to the prime minister’s comments, Mone tweeted: “What is Rishi Sunak talking about? I was honest with the Cabinet Office, the government and the NHS in my dealings with them. They all knew about my involvement from the very beginning.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/18/michelle-mone-hits-out-rishi-sunak-ppe-deals

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They're parasites, they come into power, stop spending money on the electorate start spending money on themselves, destroy public services, profit, leave.

It's what the Tories always do. Every time.
 

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Michelle Mone has condemned Rishi Sunak after he expressed concern at her admission she lied about involvement in a company that won lucrative deals during Covid, saying the government “knew about my involvement from the very beginning”.

After the former Conservative peer admitted in a BBC interview on Sunday that she had been untruthful in denying a connection to PPE Medpro, which made millions of pounds in profits over a contract to provide personal protective equipment, Sunak said No 10 was taking the case “incredibly seriously”.

In a furious response to the prime minister’s comments, Mone tweeted: “What is Rishi Sunak talking about? I was honest with the Cabinet Office, the government and the NHS in my dealings with them. They all knew about my involvement from the very beginning.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/18/michelle-mone-hits-out-rishi-sunak-ppe-deals

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Her defence that the government knew of her involvement and she only denied it to the press so the story didn't get out is laughably bad. As if that makes it better.
Hope she goes to jail.
 

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Michelle Mone has condemned Rishi Sunak after he expressed concern at her admission she lied about involvement in a company that won lucrative deals during Covid, saying the government “knew about my involvement from the very beginning”.

After the former Conservative peer admitted in a BBC interview on Sunday that she had been untruthful in denying a connection to PPE Medpro, which made millions of pounds in profits over a contract to provide personal protective equipment, Sunak said No 10 was taking the case “incredibly seriously”.

In a furious response to the prime minister’s comments, Mone tweeted: “What is Rishi Sunak talking about? I was honest with the Cabinet Office, the government and the NHS in my dealings with them. They all knew about my involvement from the very beginning.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/18/michelle-mone-hits-out-rishi-sunak-ppe-deals

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Hope she has the tapes. She can burn for all I care but they’re trying to throw her under the bus. They should all burn.
 

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"See? See? It's OK, we're ALL money grabbing corrupt cnuts."
 

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I guess his parents were also a weapon to destabilise and overwhelm the country, and would destroy people's faith in government.
 

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This guy is a nasty piece of shit. He's making Johnson look mild mannered.

I said this would happen but you didn't have to be nostradamus to see it coming. Labour occupying the traditional Tory ground has meant the Tories have no choice but to go further and further. This is the start and it's going to be vile because Labour won't call them out on it.

Some will say that's a clever election strategy (and I don't particularly disagree) but when politicians normalize such language it has an impact on society. We're going to have an emboldened trump like right wing post this election.
 

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The grip that the right wing loonies have on the Tory party is so very sad.

Post Boris and Truss, I thought that Rishi would be fairly reasonable, level headed and expected that under his premiership he might steer the Tories back to pre-2016 "normalcy". Less culture wars, less baiting and a return to boring politics. But the hard right poison everything. It's a race to the bottom with the Tories. They badly need a reset.
 

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They've tried to blame everything but their policies on why they're failing so badly and I don't think they're accepting between themselves that they are responsible. It was obvious when they started going after the population for not working hard enough and being job shy that they couldn't see that they were the ones to blame. The worst thing about it is I think they actually believe that migrants are the problem.

Just maybe if they hadn't pushed Brexit and the dozens of horrendous policies over the last decade, plus invest virtually nothing into the country they wouldn't be in the mess they are now.
 

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Over the last two to three years it's veered as wildly right as the Tories, which I guess is no coincidence.
Absolutely. Maybe it was me being younger, and a bit more naive, but I used to like reading it as a bit of balance to the guardian. These days it feels like it's the tories internal magazine for the party faithful.
 
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Absolutely. Maybe it was me being younger, and a bit more naive, but I used to like reading it as a bit of balance to the guardian. These days it feels like it's the tories internal magazine for the party faithful.
Yep the same and it was good for arts, business and money too. The bias permeates everything now though and is imbued with a DM level of vitriol. Much prefer the Times now for Guardian supplement.
 
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Absolutely. Maybe it was me being younger, and a bit more naive, but I used to like reading it as a bit of balance to the guardian. These days it feels like it's the tories internal magazine for the party faithful.
To me The Guardian died when it stopped allowing comments on it's Comment Is Free section. There's still plenty of good stuff in there but every now and then they'll post an article called "All Men Are Bastards" and, yes I agree all men are indeed bastards, but surely something like that deserves some form of debate?
 

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To me The Guardian died when it stopped allowing comments on it's Comment Is Free section. There's still plenty of good stuff in there but every now and then they'll post an article called "All Men Are Bastards" and, yes I agree all men are indeed bastards, but something like that deserves some form of debate surely?
Yeah i'm actively seeking balance because I don't see the guardian as that beacon of truth and progress either. Didn't notice the comments thing but then I didn't pay attention to the comments after they decided to premoderate mine for the most harmless of jokes. The funniest thing about the guardian to me is their attitude to sex. They will always have something with sex on their homepage, and it will invariably come with some silly picture of a stone lying in a pocket of sand or a tree trunk floating down a river.


To get back on topic I do trust them on their reporting on mainstream politics though.
 

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"I will only promise what I can deliver" said Sunak in January when he stood up and made his 5 pledges.
But less than a year since and he has now said that he is not going to commit to a date by when he will stop the boats.
But he does claim credit for reducing them by a third. Yet even that figure is only because of a returns agreement with Albania.
 

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They've tried to blame everything but their policies on why they're failing so badly and I don't think they're accepting between themselves that they are responsible. It was obvious when they started going after the population for not working hard enough and being job shy that they couldn't see that they were the ones to blame. The worst thing about it is I think they actually believe that migrants are the problem.

Just maybe if they hadn't pushed Brexit and the dozens of horrendous policies over the last decade, plus invest virtually nothing into the country they wouldn't be in the mess they are now.
The type of person in the Tory party can never accept personal responsibility. In any facet of their life.
 

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Fat man buys a bag of chips with you. Fat man puts all of the chips on his plate. Fat man finally gives you a tenth of the chips. Fat man takes the chips back after you've only had a couple. Fat man eats all of the remaining chips.
 

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Fat man buys a bag of chips with you. Fat man puts all of the chips on his plate. Fat man finally gives you a tenth of the chips. Fat man takes the chips back after you've only had a couple. Fat man eats all of the remaining chips.
fatphobic...I do exactly that with my friends and I am not fat...yet
 

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Fat man buys a bag of chips with you. Fat man puts all of the chips on his plate. Fat man finally gives you a tenth of the chips. Fat man takes the chips back after you've only had a couple. Fat man eats all of the remaining chips.
Bruv, just say they're a bunch of cnuts