DavelinaJolie
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They just want the Man Utd fan vote.Elphicke is a different kettle of fish entirely. She is a nasty piece of work, just look at her past record.
They just want the Man Utd fan vote.Elphicke is a different kettle of fish entirely. She is a nasty piece of work, just look at her past record.
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It's so obvious this is what's going to happen and there genuinely feels like no way to actually do anything about it.The end result will be apathy, which will lead to more of the same. More privatisation, more running down of essential services, more kicking the can down the road when it comes to green issues, house building and infrastructure upgrades. More soundbites about magic money trees, people in dinghies and benefit scroungers. More cringeworthy interviews after yet more u-turns. More flag shagging, more cap doffing and more peerages for those that toe the line. More than ever before, we'll have more of the same. And we'll be grateful for it.
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Other radio stations are available mate.Listening to James O'Brien discussing Elphicke's deflection and making Starmer seem like a genius playing 5D chess feels like peak centrist dad. His fawning is nauseating, especially when he tweeted that he couldn't vote for Corbyn at the time. "Starmer has given conservative voters permission to vote Labour."
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Digging up tweets from 5 years ago because "bad man said bad thing about the dear leader" is still seemingly standard nonsense in leftist circles. I genuinely cannot believe they still give a shit about Corbyn. Is no one on the UK left worthy of holding up as a new leader?Other radio stations are available mate.
Labelling a fifty something fella that went to private school and works in journalism on LBC in the lunchtime slot ‘A centrist dad’ is a beyond stupid. It’s exactly what he is and you’re complaining after tuning jn.
Instead of shouting at your radio for giving you exactly what it says on the tin, just listen to something else?
On what planet? Honestly. He literally stood up in Parliament just a few weeks ago and said there are certain people whose votes he’ll never chase or want.It seems like Labour are going the way of the Danish Social Democrats who are now leading a very unpopular government together with two other centre right parties.
The point you're missing is that Labour could have realistically won sticking to Labour principles. This pivoting to be Tory-lite is a shit show and it's why so many historical Labour voters, like myself, will look to alternate parties. The Gaza debacle compounds it all.On what planet? Honestly. He literally stood up in Parliament just a few weeks ago and said there are certain people whose votes he’ll never chase or want.
I really don’t know what people want or expect at this point. It’s like all of us in the left are afraid of a Labour win so huge that the Tories are irrelevant for a decade. It’s absolutely essential that that happens.
The idea that an opposition party that’s just seen an election that saw the government hold an 80 seat majority, can drag the Overton window left, is utterly insane.
That we can’t celebrate where we are now, after 2019, is evidence of how daft we all are (me often included).
The manifesto will be strong. We need as many people as possible to vote for it. We won’t like many people that do. So what? They need educating. The manifesto will Not be as strong as you or I want, but that’s the reality we live in.
I'm not voting in the UK so he doesn't have to win my vote but if I still lived there I wouldn't vote for him. I'm not a Corbynite nor a right-winger - there's nothing about him that is appealing. I surely wouldn't be alone. He's treating the public like they have no brain whatsoever. He may get away with it once, he won't in 2029.On what planet? Honestly. He literally stood up in Parliament just a few weeks ago and said there are certain people whose votes he’ll never chase or want.
I really don’t know what people want or expect at this point. It’s like all of us in the left are afraid of a Labour win so huge that the Tories are irrelevant for a decade. It’s absolutely essential that that happens.
The idea that an opposition party that’s just seen an election that saw the government hold an 80 seat majority, can drag the Overton window left, is utterly insane.
That we can’t celebrate where we are now, after 2019, is evidence of how daft we all are (me often included).
The manifesto will be strong. We need as many people as possible to vote for it. We won’t like many people that do. So what? They need educating. The manifesto will Not be as strong as you or I want, but that’s the reality we live in.
All good man, vote where you like. I’m not missing any point. I don’t like lots of the centre right vote chasing, and I think some of the messaging is garbled and wrong headed.The point you're missing is that Labour could have realistically won sticking to Labour principles. This pivoting to be Tory-lite is a shit show and it's why so many historical Labour voters, like myself, will look to alternate parties. The Gaza debacle compounds it all.
I said it many months ago, but Keir leading Labour after the incompetence and contempt this set of Tories have shown the rest of us is akin to an open goal. He didn't need to do all this, and the funny thing is there is a small small chance he'll still miss.
I'm not sure what that has to do with what I wrote. I basically said that the Social Democrats have moved from centre left to centre right in Denmark. From the outside, it looks like Labour are doing the same.On what planet? Honestly. He literally stood up in Parliament just a few weeks ago and said there are certain people whose votes he’ll never chase or want.
I really don’t know what people want or expect at this point. It’s like all of us in the left are afraid of a Labour win so huge that the Tories are irrelevant for a decade. It’s absolutely essential that that happens.
The idea that an opposition party that’s just seen an election that saw the government hold an 80 seat majority, can drag the Overton window left, is utterly insane.
That we can’t celebrate where we are now, after 2019, is evidence of how daft we all are (me often included).
The manifesto will be strong. We need as many people as possible to vote for it. We won’t like many people that do. So what? They need educating. The manifesto will Not be as strong as you or I want, but that’s the reality we live in.
It’s not a sensation. It basically is. The entire country and the politics has shifted right. You can thank Brexit for that.To the Britons of this forum. Do you have the sensation that labour is becoming the Tory Party from 2010 and the Tory is becoming the UKIP? If so (because is what I had been reading lately here), who will fill the vacuum of Labour on the center left?
I'll pack up and move somewhere else as well, while I'm at it, since I'm unhappy with the state of the country. Same kind of thing, yeah? Don't like it, jog on?Other radio stations are available mate.
Labelling a fifty something fella that went to private school and works in journalism on LBC in the lunchtime slot ‘A centrist dad’ is a beyond stupid. It’s exactly what he is and you’re complaining after tuning jn.
Instead of shouting at your radio for giving you exactly what it says on the tin, just listen to something else?
Mate, I’m just saying don’t listen to a radio station when someone is talking if you’re going to criticise him for being exactly what he is. It’s daft.I'll pack up and move somewhere else as well, while I'm at it, since I'm unhappy with the state of the country. Same kind of thing, yeah? Don't like it, jog on?
I'd better not have an opinion about our football team either, eh? There are others I could support, after all.
Depends on your definition of right and left wing over time, but there are examples of a leader being more progressive when in power. Theodore Roosevelt turned on his donors and used competition law to break corporate monopolies: https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtID=2&psid=3141.There are plenty of examples where a leader has purported to be a socialist 'man of the people' before coming to power but then becoming very right wing and authoritarian after being elected (Mussolini being an obvious one). But has one ever pretended to be right wing and went the opposite way once they were in power?
I asked Gemini and it couldn't answer.
He's got a massive platform. He influences opinion. He had one young lad disagreeing with Starmer's acceptance of this horrible MP and he was condescending and abrupt with him. Everyone else agreed with him and he let them waffle away about how smart Starmer is. There was even a bit about how genuinely caring Starmer is and that there hasn't been a leader like that forever. It was nauseating sycophancy and divorced from reality.Mate, I’m just saying don’t listen to a radio station when someone is talking if you’re going to criticise him for being exactly what he is. It’s daft.
O’Brien is just about bearable to me on most topics. I switch off when he’s hectoring on a subject I don’t care about, or talking about something I disagree with him on.
Wanting him to be something he’s not, while still listening is nuts.
Good point. I'd forgotten about him. And it may well prove that, in a UK that could end up as broken as the US in the Great Depression, Starmer might be pragmatic and pivot towards policies that benefit those in need the most. We will see.Depends on your definition of right and left wing over time, but there are examples of a leader being more progressive when in power. Theodore Roosevelt turned on his donors and used competition law to break corporate monopolies: https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtID=2&psid=3141.
One month ago Elphicke was slating Starmer. In five or six months or whenever the GE happens, there is a tiny teeny weeny possibility that she may quite possibly change her mind. Especially now the nice weather has started and many people in those boats may swarm across the Channel. Then the EU introduce the EES and the tailback from Dover is past Maidstone.I’m struggling to see what’s in it for these MPs as well?. It’s not as if they are standing again so they are not saving their own skin?
The Lib Dems will probably be looking to occupy the centre ground, especially after their strong showing in the local elections (they ended up with more councillors than the Tories). As far as leftist goes, the Greens will probably soak up most of the Labour progressives, they also did well in the council elections but are still very much a fringe party in mainstream British politics, and I'd expect them to continue being so under the FPTP electoral system unfortunately. That and the fact our media seemingly has no interest giving them any airtime, despite offering plenty to the lunatics at Reform who have far less representation.
Thanks for confirming my sensationsIt’s not a sensation. It basically is. The entire country and the politics has shifted right. You can thank Brexit for that.
I even think the Tories in 2010 wouldn’t dream of talking about some of the things Labour are willing to discuss.
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It also won't happen. I would be shocked if the Tories ended up with fewer than 200 MPs.So conservative less than Libs, SNP and North Ireland? That would be insanity
So shadow government would be Libs, then?
That what I think too. It seems dystopian. But one can dreamIt also won't happen. I would be shocked if the Tories ended up with fewer than 200 MPs.
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I think people notice when a Tory defects to Labour, and see it as Labour broadening its appeal. I am not sure how the same works for an extreme left MP that's already in Labour. I mean, I guess there is always George Galloway...Tweet
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If this is true, then Starmer would be courting the extreme left (whatever that means in a UK Labour context). Is he?
It’s a very stupid twitter thread. It’s impossible be to the Party of Britain as the country is made up various classes who have different interests to other each. Can’t be the party of landlords and also of renters.Tweet
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If this is true, then Starmer would be courting the extreme left (whatever that means in a UK Labour context). Is he?
Which cohort is bigger if you’re aiming to become THE Party of Britain?Tweet
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If this is true, then Starmer would be courting the extreme left (whatever that means in a UK Labour context). Is he?
You can criticise it for naïveté, being contrary to your ideological standing, and many other factors, but none of your ‘reasoning’ explains why it’s stupid.It’s a very stupid twitter thread. It’s impossible be to the Party of Britain as the country is made up various classes who have different interests to other each. Can’t be the party of landlords and also of renters.
It’s awfully written and as if he’s some sort of mage who’s worked out Starmer’s secret plan that no one can see.It’s a very stupid twitter thread. It’s impossible be to the Party of Britain as the country is made up various classes who have different interests to other each. Can’t be the party of landlords and also of renters.
Doing an Attlee but succeeding(Whatever that means) isn’t possible when labour health secretary loves taking donations from private healthcare companies.