Worth noting PSV are away to Feyenoord after this, wont be an easy game for them by any stretch.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Yeah “struggling with Ajax” is a hot take, for sure.Yeah, really struggled at Ajax the past 4 years.
Your attention-seeking doomsday posts have been a stain on the forum for a few weeks now.
No idea why I put up with it. Ignored.
Yeah 3 mins normal time left.
Away at AZ one of the toughest games of the season to be fair.
True story
Your attention-seeking doomsday posts have been a stain on the forum for a few weeks now.
No idea why I put up with it. Ignored.
Is it a requirement to be bald to manage in the Eredivisie?
You’ve roasted him alive there
Your attention-seeking doomsday posts have been a stain on the forum for a few weeks now.
No idea why I put up with it. Ignored.
Pushing for a third good tactical change from ETH
Your attention-seeking doomsday posts have been a stain on the forum for a few weeks now.
No idea why I put up with it. Ignored.
too easy5 mins added come on you bald twat
Your attention-seeking doomsday posts have been a stain on the forum for a few weeks now.
No idea why I put up with it. Ignored.
At worst, he's the dutch poch if he bottles it in the end.
He can’t be the Dutch Poch, Ten Hag’s actually won trophies!
At worst, he's the dutch poch if he bottles it in the end.
I agree that his first job as you stated is to "fashion" a team together, so we look like a well functioning unit. I believe he came in at the right time, as he will have a whole summer to do this and properly assess the team he has. Some managers don't have that luxury and are thrown in right in the midst of a busy and competitive season.
United is a big job and there will be expectation. Saying that you wont expect much from him in his first season, belittle united and make us seem like a small club. Dependant on the support he gets, he should definitely reach those basic expectation. It is not setting him up to fail, but rather showing him the standard expected of a united manager. I m sure ETH understand that and he is knows that he will not get a free ride just because we are undergoing another transition.
Hopefully things start to change in the future… they need to give the manager the freedom to get rid of whoever he wants and bring in whoever he wants. Hopefully ralf will have a massive say aswell as he knows how bad the current team are and what a joke they are. Can’t see us bringing in more then 3 players though to be honest. Think we’ll have 3 new signings and a few youth players coming up.
Wednesday is potentially where Ten Hag can officially win the league if they'll win the game against Heerenveen .
For a second I thought this was not true because last I checked, PSV was leading 2 Nil.
I hope he wins the game and he can put his Ajax tenure to rest
Can't believe PSV didn't win. Ajax need two points from two games but I'd love a win to get him over to us (even if unofficially) ASAP.
Yes, you are, did you bother to read the article beyond the headline? Alright seeing as how you obviously haven’t bothered and, as we established before, you just want to make stuff up i’ll quote a little of it for you.
Now, as you say very eloquently, he took a team that came third, ripped it up and came to United asap leaving them in tatters apparently… only that’s not exactly the truth is it?
They sold a couple of popular players and changed some of the playing staff in the summer and after Rangnick brought in a bew system he left and now its falling apart… not true, he hasn’t officially left Lokomotiv because he never really had an ‘official’ role there, he was never even on their payroll, they signed a deal with his agency to be a freelance advisor.
The reason Lars Kornetka stayed is because, as part of that agency, he is still advising them with Rangnick still advising in the background behind him. Infact the article you linked states that Rangnick has had to make wholesale changes for a club stuck in the past, for example, he brought an entire scouting network with him to a club that virtually had none beforehand. As well as setting new standards for medical staff and dieticians and fitness which didn’t exist at the club before he arrived.
He himself made special commitments to explaining the long term view of the project but instead of looking to the future the press just kept asking him why they sold some of their veteran players
“It is very important to understand that it is a long term project, led by top specialists. It would be ridiculous to judge it based on immediate results, but people don't want to understand that," Zhidkov continues. "Most of the journalism in Russia is driven by pure emotion. Most of the analysis is very shallow.“
Go ahead and read the whole article. Yes, there are things to criticise Ralf over for his work here, but again as I said, you are angry and making shit up because you clearly do not like him.
He'll have the title wrapped up in the next game and can then finally get to work as United manager after that. We really need to get the ball moving on signings, we haven't been seriously linked to any player yet apart from Kalvin Phillips.
rangnick has done him no favors by absolutely demolishing whats left of the confidence of some of our players.
Ten Hag has a massive rebuild on hand. Probably the biggest one since moyes left.
Not just bringing players in, but actually trying to repair the damage done to our current players.
Ten Hag has a massive rebuild on hand. Probably the biggest one since moyes left.
Not just bringing players in, but actually trying to repair the damage done to our current players.
It can change quickly though. Good start, good vibes coming and suddenly we fly. Im positive
Hadn't seen this quote before, about Pep from ETH:
“In his first year at Manchester City he completely underestimated the power and speed of the Premier League,” he told Voetbal International. “He realised that you can’t play the kind of football he loves without having a couple of physically strong athletes, and so he brought them in.”
So maybe, based on what I think would be the obvious way to think of it as Ten Hag building Ajax but here, a slight downgrade for Lindelof and upgrade for Maguire, and maybe VDB won't walk into a starting spot, slight upgrade for Elanga vs Amad and Pellistri maybe?
“In his first year at Manchester City he completely underestimated the power and speed of the Premier League,” he told Voetbal International. “He realised that you can’t play the kind of football he loves without having a couple of physically strong athletes, and so he brought them in.”
So maybe, based on what I think would be the obvious way to think of it as Ten Hag building Ajax but here, a slight downgrade for Lindelof and upgrade for Maguire, and maybe VDB won't walk into a starting spot, slight upgrade for Elanga vs Amad and Pellistri maybe?
Damage?
What damage?
If they are damaged, they brought that on themselves, by serving us shitty performances consistently, playing without desire and fight, acting like entitled cnuts, they damaged themselves, RR didn't do it, but he basically exposed them.
Some of them will get a second chance under ETH because the club cannot realistically bin them all, so that's basically a "stay of execution" for those who survive, and a chance to redeem themselves.
It can EASILY change if we have a good summer and bring in the right players.
I'm also positive and looking forward to what should be our best manager since Fergie retired.
At the very least we will hopefully start looking and playing like a team. Organised and maybe if we're lucky we get a little flair and total football.
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/erik-ten-hag-ajax-tactical-analysis-tactics
Analysis of ETH Ajax 18/19 side, the use of his number 10 as an additional center forward to occupy center halfs, the narrow front four, fullbacks switching between inverted roles or playing outside, the build up phase, utilizing ball playing center halfs, the press.
Analysis of ETH Ajax 18/19 side, the use of his number 10 as an additional center forward to occupy center halfs, the narrow front four, fullbacks switching between inverted roles or playing outside, the build up phase, utilizing ball playing center halfs, the press.
Not having a go at you directly, but I've seen a few articles about his system and they leave me with questions that I would like someone with more insight to address.
- What makes this style so good? If the average internet analyst can understand it, why can't any professional coach implement it?
- How will it fare against bigger teams?
- Or against lower down teams? The counter attack of even the worst team in the PL is deadly, so how does this system prevent that?
Tbh, reading it makes me think it has a lot of similarities to how Ole’s team plays from the back except DDG stays in goal more often. Our opponents normally commit more players to press high when we build up from back.
Let's not flatter ourselves. We only have to describe the end product, that's easy. The implementation has a lot of nuance average joes like us can't even begin to teach. The article is good and mostly describes their shape, which is one layer of implementation.
Getting 11 men to play as a network of interchangeable interconnected triangles all on the same wavelength sounds like a nightmare to teach. Requires an almost autistic attention to detail. This is also why you need players of a specific profile. The keeper, Number 9, Fullbacks all need to have specific skillsets or the execution will look bad. Why I think people are mad expecting him to improve all our first teamers like we can be sure they all have the aptitude to play this way.
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A good teacher isn't just one who is knowledgeable but one who is skilled at passing his knowledge to his students, so anyone can analyze Ten Hag system, or Pep's or Klopp's but that doesn't mean they can implement it to a high degree in reality.
I haven't watched Ajax play against lower teams as I don't watch the Dutch league, but I've seen how they play against teams of similar quality and superior sides, if we become anything like them expect United to attempt to take games to the opponent regardless of it quality.
But its actually more similar to city build up, one quality about Ole team first phase of attack was the manner in which the midfielders vacated midfield, one drop to defense, the number ten joined the front three leaving only one player in the center of the pitch, this is more similar to city set up where you have more bodies the middle looking and wide open constantly moving to receive passes, they play at a higher tempo and with shorter passes. Its far more sophisticated than what we saw under Ole, the main worry about Ten Hag isn't his brand of football at all but if he'll get the right tools to implement it.
So by tomorrow evening Ajax will hopefully be champions and he can start getting involved in our potential signings…which he might already be doing in a non official capacity. Surely after the 15th Ajax won’t stand in his way if he wants to join us immediately?
He will most likely have a well deserved break, before then evaluating the squad himself. He seemingly hasn't even been put up to speed by Rangnick yet either.
Hes not just coming immediately
In fact I am sure there will be celebratory parades he will be a part of too. Theres still some weeks yet.Lots of reports mentioned that he'll join straight away then go on a break before returning before pre season training. Mostly for getting the signings on the way i supposeHe will most likely have a well deserved break, before then evaluating the squad himself. He seemingly hasn't even been put up to speed by Rangnick yet either.
Hes not just coming immediately
Yeah he will definitely need a nice well deserved break but I also hope he at least via phone etc can give his say on potential transfers. He must have an idea who he wants already despite possibly needing to evaluate the squad. I don’t want it to take a long time and we end up leaving everything late and rushed like we have in the past…and to be honest you don’t have to spend any time with half of our squad to know they are simply not good enough!
The way Ralf is now speaking I’m sure the conversation he has with ETH will pull no punches. I just pray this is not a long winded summer saga and end up starting the season with the team that finishes it.
I don't think he'll make his transfer opinions without actually evaluating thr squad. That's not something for the phone.
Which reports?
I think that as soon as Ajax have secured the title then he will really start to get to work on his next task……a lot can be sorted out remotely and I am sure that there will be various reports/discussions being prepped for him in advance.
ETH doesn’t seem the type of guy that is going to leave anything to chance in terms of preparation. Id imagine RR and Fletcher will be doing quite a bit in the background for him now and everyone will be wanting a fresh start under the new Arnold management - they will all want to show that the shit show of previous years is in the past.
Wouldn’t it be great to get things done and dusted early…..
ETH doesn’t seem the type of guy that is going to leave anything to chance in terms of preparation. Id imagine RR and Fletcher will be doing quite a bit in the background for him now and everyone will be wanting a fresh start under the new Arnold management - they will all want to show that the shit show of previous years is in the past.
Wouldn’t it be great to get things done and dusted early…..
Yeah I think he'll crack on right away, just seems the type
What was Moyes thinking going on holiday for a month and then came back and bought Fellaini? He must regret that summer so much when he looks back.
What was Moyes thinking going on holiday for a month and then came back and bought Fellaini? He must regret that summer so much when he looks back.
Well, we're fecked then.
And he's already lost the dressing room