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From player of the season to back-up right-back, my word. ![Frown :( :(](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
Valencia was absolutely shite in 12-13, his fall started before Moyes came. With a top form Van Persie prowling in the box and playing nearly every minute of every game he could only muster up 1 goal and 8 assists in 40 games. For comparison even Nani who was out of favour and pretty off the pace himself got 3 goals and 6 assists in less than half of the game time. a 38(?) year old Giggs got 5 goals and 6 assists in just over half the minutes. The guy is utterly useless these days unfortunately and nowhere near good enough to even be backup.Valencia, like most of our players, lost tons of confidence after last season under Moyes. You can actually tell the players who played under Moyes are much more hesitant than the new guys. There is nothing magical about Blind or Rojo, they're very good players, but they're not a Di Maria. They still looked much more composed than our players from last season, all of them, even Rooney and RVP.
People need to watch the season review for the 2012-2013 season and they will be surprised how different our players looked back then in term of confidence, speed and accuracy. They weren't all world class players, but they were far better than what we're seeing right now.
He only wore the #7 in the last season before Moyes took over.He was shit long before Moyes could even think of managing United. Ever since he got the #7 jersey in fact. (2012?)
Think about it, if he was "absolutely sh*t", would he have played 40 games??Valencia was absolutely shite in 12-13, his fall started before Moyes came. With a top form Van Persie prowling in the box and playing nearly every minute of every game he could only muster up 1 goal and 8 assists in 40 games. For comparison even Nani who was out of favour and pretty off the pace himself got 3 goals and 6 assists in less than half of the game time. a 38(?) year old Giggs got 5 goals and 6 assists in just over half the minutes. The guy is utterly useless these days unfortunately and nowhere near good enough to even be backup.
So he was exactly right in saying he was shit before Moyes took over...He only wore the #7 in the last season before Moyes took over.
Think about it, if he was "absolutely sh*t", would he have played 40 games??
People are being irrational now in their criticism for Valencia I see.
By the way, if you want to look at his full stats, you'll see that Valencia had more key passes (and more assists!) in that season than Carrick and nearly as many as Rooney, while making big contributions defensively.
Thanks for admitting it.So he was exactly right in saying he was shit before Moyes took over...
Oh and it's hard not to be irrational when you're served the shite that Valencia provides week in, week out. His technical limitations are painful, truly painful to watch.
Nothing if not honestThanks for admitting it.
Valencia was awful in 12/13 there is simply no two ways about it. If you want to believe everyone saying so is irrational then go right ahead.He only wore the #7 in the last season before Moyes took over.
Think about it, if he was "absolutely sh*t", would he have played 40 games??
People are being irrational now in their criticism for Valencia I see.
By the way, if you want to look at his full stats, you'll see that Valencia had more key passes (and more assists!) in that season than Carrick and nearly as many as Rooney, while making big contributions defensively.
Yes he did and was so shit we ripped the shirt of his back and locked it away till we could get a player worthy of it. Di Maria.He only wore the #7 in the last season before Moyes took over.![]()
The fact that he did nothing meaningful going forward is considered an OK contribution from him goes on to show how low our expectations are from him now.Followed the QPR game through the match day thread and then watched the game late yesterday and was expecting Valencia to look absolutely atrocious but, he was far far from it. Yes, he had the one moment where he completely screwed up but, other than that was okay. Guess it's just got to the point now he gets vitriol for daring to put the shirt on and step on the pitch.
He was once a very good player for us and with the attacking talent we've got, if he does find that confidence which he has so obviously lost, he could still be very effective. Has pace, strength, stamina and desire to work for the team- just no ambition in that last bit.
The point he came on, we'd taken our foot off the gas. He still gave us the width a few times deep in QPR territory and defended as he was supposed to, so yes he did okay in the short time, same would be said of anyone else gave that performance regardless of who they were.The fact that he did nothing meaningful going forward is considered an OK contribution from him goes on to show how low our expectations are from him now.
He got into good positions and we played him in a few times and yet he did nothing of note.The point he came on, we'd taken our foot off the gas. He still gave us the width a few times deep in QPR territory and defended as he was supposed to, so yes he did okay in the short time, same would be said of anyone else gave that performance regardless of who they were.
I have never rated him. He's just get to the byline and cross, rinse and repeat, the likes of Jarvis and Downing do it too, and I don't rate either.Ridiculous to say that he's always been rubbish. Until about 2 years ago he was pretty good for us; not world class obviously, but he provided lots of assists (he honest to God used to know how to cross) and his pace on the wings actually used to stretch opposition defences. He's a step down from Becks and Cristiano, but most wingers are.
The width? You mean he stood close to the sideline?The point he came on, we'd taken our foot off the gas. He still gave us the width a few times deep in QPR territory and defended as he was supposed to, so yes he did okay in the short time, same would be said of anyone else gave that performance regardless of who they were.
While playing as a wingback, you'd expect even more passes forward than a winger, yet half of his are backwards? The crossing stats surprise me, I hadn't remembered him to be that bad, but it goes to show.. he really needs to leave...So far this season (EPL) he has:
Crosses:___.0/4__0/13__1/1
Take On's:__0/1__0/0__.0/0
Passes:_____59___61___24
Also worth noting that of those passes, 30/59(51%) 31/61(50%) and 13/24(52%) were backwards passes.
Well, you should have, he was a really good player for us up until two years ago.I have never rated him. He's just get to the byline and cross, rinse and repeat, the likes of Jarvis and Downing do it too, and I don't rate either.
And a really shit player since.So far this season (EPL) he has:
Crosses:___.0/4__0/13__1/1
Take On's:__0/1__0/0__.0/0
Passes:_____59___61___24
Also worth noting that of those passes, 30/59(51%) 31/61(50%) and 13/24(52%) were backwards passes.
I love Nani, and perhaps had looked to at one stage have more potential, but AV reached a height that Nani hasn't yet, it really is a strange decline, definitely personality based though rather than physical in my opinionWell, you should have, he was a really good player for us up until two years ago.
And a really shit player since.
I remember a time when we used to debate over who was the best winger in the league on Nani vs Valencia. Now it's a case of who cocked up their career the most. I guess Nani seeing as Valencia is inexplicably still playing here.
A height of shitness, you mean?I love Nani, and perhaps had looked to at one stage have more potential, but AV reached a height that Nani hasn't yet, it really is a strange decline, definitely personality based though rather than physical in my opinion
A height of being our player of the season, even if it is just a memory now...A height of shitness, you mean?
Yes he did. And his season was better than Valencia's.A height of being our player of the season, even if it is just a memory now...
That's an opinion and a debate for another thread, but fact remains, one person was named POTY for us, the other wasn't , while I'd rather we actually kept Nani who is my preference, but the fact remains.Yes he did. And his season was better than Valencia's.
Nani was named player of the year for us season before Valencia was.That's an opinion and a debate for another thread, but fact remains, one person was named POTY for us, the other wasn't , while I'd rather we actually kept Nani who is my preference, but the fact remains.
He was though.That's an opinion and a debate for another thread, but fact remains, one person was named POTY for us, the other wasn't , while I'd rather we actually kept Nani who is my preference, but the fact remains.
No they were both our player of the season in consecutive years. Nani's was better than Valencia's too as he was the best player in the PL that season, fantasy football points said so!That's an opinion and a debate for another thread, but fact remains, one person was named POTY for us, the other wasn't , while I'd rather we actually kept Nani who is my preference, but the fact remains.
You're having a mare.That's an opinion and a debate for another thread, but fact remains, one person was named POTY for us, the other wasn't , while I'd rather we actually kept Nani who is my preference, but the fact remains.
As far as I can see he actually wasn't. He came runner up to Hernandez the year before Valencia won it however he did win players player that season.He was though.
That's the one we're talking about though.As far as I can see he actually wasn't. He came runner up to Hernandez the year before Valencia won it however he did win players player that season.
Lets face it he was never going to win the popularity contest that is fans player of the year. I put more credence into the player award.As far as I can see he actually wasn't. He came runner up to Hernandez the year before Valencia won it however he did win players player that season.
You mean, like this?Nani fanbois will eventually seep into the Valencia threads like flies to shit. They can't help it.
One lost the confidence of three consecutive managers and we finally paid to flog him off. The other is still getting games. End of. Doh!
Or this?I hope Valencia will continue his fine form. Angry, frustrated Nani fanbois will surely be sharpening their pitchforks for him and are at this moment hyperventilating in preparation to vent mightily. Use your left peg, Tony. Make every cross a fine one. Beat your man!
Stay tuned . . .
Valencia on everyone's list, yet you read the Valencia thread and the Valencia slaters and those butt-hurt-for-Nani have got the negative bandwagon cranking up into life.
"The other" is here because he can tackle a bit. His days are clearly numbered though. He won't last past next summer, hopefully January if we can identify a replacement backup fullback.Nani fanbois will eventually seep into the Valencia threads like flies to shit. They can't help it.
One lost the confidence of three consecutive managers and we finally paid to flog him off. The other is still getting games. End of. Doh!
You're in here defending Valencia despite 99.99% of United fans recognising him as a real problem for United.Perfect example of undying fanboism.
Did you have those saved up?
And the other we had to pay dearly to leave to to the depths of the Portuguese league. I wonder why nobody wanted him."The other" is here because he can tackle a bit. His days are clearly numbered though. He won't last past next summer, hopefully January if we can identify a replacement backup fullback.