Another thing i would like to add, people keep expecting Rooney, Rvp and Mata to create forget one thing, although they were soo poor today i wouldn't even try to defend them, but teams clog up their midfield and there is very little space given to them, on the other hand Valenica and Young are in acres of space and they do feck all with it, one keeps smacking it into Defenders and the other is a backpass specialist, and their crosses are hilariously bad.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
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- Clean sheets
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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He's not on a downward spiral, he's pretty much at rock bottom. I don't know how he could get any worse. I thought we'd seen the end of him when LVG was appointed and then we go and bring in one of the best wingers on the planet and he still plays.
Hopefully Rafael stays fit and takes up his place in the team. Valencia's terrible, a joke we've given him a new long term contract.
From being a very good player 3 seasons ago, I would argue he is on a downward spiral. I get what you mean though but I wouldn't put it passed him to get even worse!
he is useless. Enough said.
Get the ball, jog forward a bit, smash ball at defenders legs. Look angry. Rinse and repeat for 90 minutes.
He's an absolute disgrace of a player, and should have been one of the first out the door. Then again, no other team in the top 10 would want him anywhere near their squad.
He's an absolute disgrace of a player, and should have been one of the first out the door. Then again, no other team in the top 10 would want him anywhere near their squad.
I get what you mean too, but I'm of the opinion that the downward spiral is over, he is what he is now. Shit for so long now and we need to get rid.
We need a right footed Daley Blind who can play as a cm and if needed as a full back.
A fit Rafael will force AV25 out of the team.
Fighting for Cleverley for worst United first team player imo. He's been horrible for 3 years.
him and young weren t any worse than the rest except perhapsdi maria
Its amazing how he continues to put in performances like that and still retains his starting place, I mean all our other wingers at the club must be really bad if hes the best option we have there.
Would Zaha have done any worse today? Instead of standing square to the full back and smashing it at his legs, he might have at least had a go at getting in behind. Valencia and Young just don't seem to have the guile to want to get behind a defender. Zaha is no world beater, but he does at least want to take a man on and get the ball into a dangerous area before playing it. As winger, you're more dangerous if you have the ball in the penalty area, with the full back taken out of the equation. If you're just wellying it into a packed penalty area right out on the touchline from infront of the opposing full back, there's little chance of scoring, especially since neither Valencia or Young can cross a ball anyway. Zaha gets a lot of flack for being a bit of a waster, and he most probably is a bit of a waster, but I can't fathom how a winger could be any more negative and ineffective than Valencia.
I can't imagine his team mates enjoy his approach either. If I'm a centre forward, I don't want the ball smashed at me like he's taking a shot and I'm the goal! It's difficult enough to attack a cross, but to attack a cross being belted at you at 100mph? It's a ridiculous idea.
I can't imagine his team mates enjoy his approach either. If I'm a centre forward, I don't want the ball smashed at me like he's taking a shot and I'm the goal! It's difficult enough to attack a cross, but to attack a cross being belted at you at 100mph? It's a ridiculous idea.
he s not the only one putting ccrap performances...
This is pretty bang on for me I agree. We had numerous occasions today when our wide players had opportunities to run into space and get balls into the box and neither Young or Valencia managed to create a hint of a chance for 90 mins. When teams suffocate the middle of the pitch it can be extremely difficult to break any side down.
Didnt say he was but given how we seem to play (get the ball to the winger as soon as possible) you would think putting someone else there might have been explored by now
Yeah but... this is the Valencia thread.
it s relatively a new role for him and young so you need to give them.time to adjust
No, but the fact that he's still on the end of most of our attacks is going to draw far more attention to him. Amazing really, that despite the supposed attacking talent we have in the team, we still insist on channeling attacks through a player absolutely shattered in confidence, ability and everything else that goes with it.
Given his performances last season and the season before as a winger and RB i am not holding out much hope
Can anyone gif that moment pls... all.players were grouped around Burlney's box after our corner. Valencia receives the ball at halfline...and passes it back to DDG.
I died a little.
I died a little.
One problem with our system is that it forces the wingbacks to try to beat two men from a standing start, with no overlapping runs to help.
That said, his crossing is an embarrassment. Hit and hope.
That said, his crossing is an embarrassment. Hit and hope.
LvG did too.
Played better than Rooney and Van Persie to be fair. Not that that's anything to be proud of.
Well no, he had more of the ball than they did. He didn't actually do anything useful with it though.
I mean if we had a semi competent winger in his place in the second half we might have actually won the thing, or, at the very least, got some fecking crosses in the box
Offering him that contract extension in the summer is proving to be as foolish as giving Nani a 5 year one. I just dont see the point of him or what he brings to the team. There was a time where he could beat his fallback, get a dangerous cross in, provide good defensive cover and muscle players off the ball - But after the last 3 seasons that guy is gone and what we have is someone that represents whats wrong at our club today
Both Rooney and Mata, twice, put him in an excellent crossing position inside the box only for him feck it up.
Yeah i saw that :lo:
Enough said and enough seen... Terrible player with no skills what so ever.. Pace and power only gets one so far..
Definitely got up and down the right side-and did the defensive work. But the crosses were horrific.
Thought he would be good as a wing back but he's not. Not sure what happens next as his possible replacements are Rafael, injured, and Young, who is not much better. Maybe a formation change, if we have a suitable right back.
Gotta say, I don't think there is a similar player at a top league club. I mean how thick can you be to shoot in the fullback over and over again? What does he expect to happen? He isn't even trying to get it past him, he just hits the fecker...
Really can't wait until Rafael returns. At least he adds some dynamism to our attack, whereas Valencia just runs in straight lines and punts it at the fullbacks shins.
We should see marked improvement once Rafael and Shaw replace Valencia and Young respectively.
We should see marked improvement once Rafael and Shaw replace Valencia and Young respectively.
Why the feck did we give him a contract extension? 
He's woeful. The next chance we get he should be shipped out along with young. How many times was he 1 on 1 with their full back, and how many times did he turn around and pass it back? He's a shocking footballer.
I honestly cannot believe he's still doing the "smack it into the first defenders shins" thing. Did it so many times (once again) that the commentators even mentioned it, which takes some doing!
At least it disproves the rather bizarre notion some in here had that Moyes had specifically told him to do it.
At least it disproves the rather bizarre notion some in here had that Moyes had specifically told him to do it.
It doesn't work but he still crosses like an idiot. When will he get it and why is no one telling him to stop ?
What happened to him, from being our best player to a nothing player in one summer. I feel bad for him but he really has no place in the starting line up.
It's depressing watching him. At times he worked hard, won possession, tracked back, but the lack of creativity is beyond a joke.
Yep, the middle is too congested and we have little time on the ball so we end up working it well to Valencia who has time and space to do something but he just fires it hard into a defender time after time. You would hope he can be coached to pick out a team mate but this has gone on for far too long.