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3 goals and 0 assists in the league. 0 goals since early October, a drought which has spanned 14 games. Anyone pretending he isn't a monumental flop needs to wake up and smell the coffee, incredibly average player
So you have washed hands of him then3 goals and 0 assists in the league. 0 goals since early October, a drought which has spanned 14 games. Anyone pretending he isn't a monumental flop needs to wake up and smell the coffee, incredibly average player
Yeah we need to see much more of thatAgree that first half was one of his best overall performances for us minus the finishing. I was so glad to not only see him take on people but, also actually went on the outside more than once and it resulted in dangerous situations. Also, did put in that extra effort a couple times getting back when in similar situations after team loses the ball he has not. Hopefully will build on it because need that on a more regular basis.
Who is you? Clearly many can’t based on the one note pile on.Disagree. I think you can easily evaluate his performances fairly. He's all style and no substance so far. He's a player that looks the part but ultimately doesn't deliver the goods.
That's why in mid April he has just 3 PL goals and 0 assists. That's the same as Fred.
This is just a piss poor excuse for his lack of output, there are plenty of wide players in this league who work hard and produce goals and assists (saka and martinelli for example). The comparison to kanchelskis also makes zero sense to anyone that watched both playersI analyze him as a RM rather than a forward. Like someone said Kanchelskis, Park etc. When you have one of your wingers as basically an attacker who doesn't trackback (also to have fresh legs for counters) the other has to have a tactical role which he does well.
Call me crazy or a maverick but yeah I actually evaluate wide forwards / wingers on their output mainly. Hahaha.
He came off the pitch on 59 mins with no goals, no assists and no key passes that I can recall and played against a player so obviously not comfortable playing as fullback for 45 mins too.
Salah / Saka would have had a bag full today against Godfrey. That's the difference.
Well aside from the two key passes, one that put Sabitzer directly through on goal and then you also have the shot against the post that left AWB with an open goal.Exactly, it's embarrassing the mental gymnastics some are performing to argue he is playing better than he is
He’s had a pretty bad season but it’s also very high school to not acknowledge his form has picked up a lot lately.3 goals and 0 assists in the league. 0 goals since early October, a drought which has spanned 14 games. Anyone pretending he isn't a monumental flop needs to wake up and smell the coffee, incredibly average player
Genuinely don't remember the Sabitzer one. If I missed it I apologize.Well aside from the two key passes, one that put Sabitzer directly through on goal and then you also have the shot against the post that left AWB with an open goal.
Mental gymnastics indeed.
Almiron was absolutely dreadful in his first few seasons at Newcastle. Saka was playing left wing back for Arsenal. Salah couldnt hack it at Chelsea. Mahrez almost got relegated in his first season. What on earth are these comparisons? Antony, in his first season, has turned our right wing from non existent into an actual functioning area where we look threatening. He has also scored against Arsenal, Man City and Barcelona. Already won a trophy, could win three and played his part in our push for a Champions League place.If we want to win the league we have to look at our rivals and it is obvious that Antony is nowhere near the class of Foden, Saka, and Salah. Also Almiron and Mahrez are better players and I also rate Kulusevski higher. Is he better than Solly March? Despite some improvements he needs to improve alot. An overlapping pacy RB will certainly help. The club is to blame for doing the transfer so late and overpaying by 30m.
One key pass to Rashford, one key pass to Sabitzer which was after the nice Sancho run where he left two Everton players on the deck. At the 20:20ish mark.Genuinely don't remember the Sabitzer one. If I missed it I apologize.
A shot isn't a key pass though.
Again his general play was pretty good but I prefer wingers / forwards who produce the goods.
Yet he left the pitch once again with no goals and no assists. The last PL return was September. He's got less than Ben White just to be clear.One key pass to Rashford, one key pass to Sabitzer which was after the nice Sancho run where he left two Everton players on the deck. At the 20:20ish mark.
So 55 mins played, 2 key passes, one cracking shot against the post that left an open goal for AWB; being painted as a performance with no substance. Yet you claim you can debate him without bias?
ETH has clearly lost trust with Weghorst so yeah, when the player coming on is by far our best forward, and the player at CF by far our best winger… he or Sancho were coming off regardless. We desperately need to get Martial minutes, and Rashford’s late injury only makes it even more vital.He was decent yesterday, nothing more. If he was as good as some of you are suggesting he wouldn't have been taken off at 59mins surely when the game was still not safe.
Why do you mention PL as if scoring against Everton is more important than scoring the winner against Barcelona?Yet he left the pitch once again with no goals and no assists. The last PL return was September. He's got less than Ben White just to be clear.
He was decent yesterday, nothing more. If he was as good as some of you are suggesting he wouldn't have been taken off at 59mins surely when the game was still not safe.
Do you seriously believe that Antony can be as good as Salah and Saka? He will improve but Almiron is probably his ceiling. He is underwhelming and so is Sancho.Almiron was absolutely dreadful in his first few seasons at Newcastle. Saka was playing left wing back for Arsenal. Salah couldnt hack it at Chelsea. Mahrez almost got relegated in his first season. What on earth are these comparisons? Antony, in his first season, has turned our right wing from non existent into an actual functioning area where we look threatening. He has also scored against Arsenal, Man City and Barcelona. Already won a trophy, could win three and played his part in our push for a Champions League place.
This. Antony looked sharp solely because Godfrey put in an abysmal performance. Still he couldn't capitalize on it and produce some end products. The moment where he looked through on goal but got recovered just showed he isn't up to PL standard and intensity.Thought he was ok first half today but asterisked by the fact Godfrey put in one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen from a supposed LB. End product still a concern - should have probably had two assists and a goal with better quality. Looks to be developing a good understanding with AWB though.
fecking hell, the state of some postersDo you seriously believe that Antony can be as good as Salah and Saka? He will improve but Almiron is probably his ceiling. He is underwhelming and so is Sancho.
Did you think Saka would be as good as he is today when he was playing left back for Arsenal at 18/19? Same with Salah, when Chelsea got rid, did you think he'd come back to win the golden boot/CL/PL with Liverpool? I'm guessing you and many others foresaw those circumstances?Do you seriously believe that Antony can be as good as Salah and Saka? He will improve but Almiron is probably his ceiling. He is underwhelming and so is Sancho.
I thought Sancho was good and Antony was decent. Neither were poor nor were they amazing.ETH has clearly lost trust with Weghorst so yeah, when the player coming on is by far our best forward, and the player at CF by far our best winger… he or Sancho were coming off regardless. We desperately need to get Martial minutes, and Rashford’s late injury only makes it even more vital.
Sancho himself was very good though, and he certainly needs more minutes.
If we had Saka, or a player as good as him, on our right wing then top 4 would already be sealed. We'd easily have another 6-9pts in my opinion.Do you seriously believe that Antony can be as good as Salah and Saka? He will improve but Almiron is probably his ceiling. He is underwhelming and so is Sancho.
11 goals and 1 assist so far. I would be delighted if Antony (or Sancho) would reach that next season. Do you watch Almiron at all?fecking hell, the state of some posters
No I did not but I did foresee Sancho's shortcomings when many other posters did not. Neither do I foresee Antony scoring 15 PL goals in a season not to mention winning the Golden boot. He is a one trick pony.Did you think Saka would be as good as he is today when he was playing left back for Arsenal at 18/19? Same with Salah, when Chelsea got rid, did you think he'd come back to win the golden boot/CL/PL with Liverpool? I'm guessing you and many others foresaw those circumstances?
Genuinely remarkable the amount of negative, pessimistic, idiotic shite some people manage to conjure up about our own players.fecking hell, the state of some posters
Almiron is a 29 year old who has his first decent season in his life, while Antony is a recognised huge talent and also a Brazilian international. Antony is 23 years old playing his first season in Premier League.11 goals and 1 assist so far. I would be delighted if Antony (or Sancho) would reach that next season. Do you watch Almiron at all?
Same here, you simply can't miss a pass like that when you're under no pressure as a pro footballer. Scoring a 1v1 or curling a shot into the far corner is a 100x more difficult than getting that pass right and for some reason it's the simple passes that a lot of our players are struggling with, which drives me nuts.To be honest him messing up that very easy pass to Rashford for an almost certain assist cost me more hair than his finishing.
Then it's up to Antony to develop as a player, work on being able to cross the ball with his right foot, and have the ability to shoot inside the near post as well as his stock shot of curling it inside the fast post. If Amad becomes part of next season's squad, then Antony will certainly have to up his game.The problem I have with people saying Antony will improve tenfold next season when he gets used to the premiership is the premiership will be used to him then.
When you only have one way of playing and no right foot most teams will work out how to deal with you very quickly.
I can see Antony having a tougher time of it next season
There isn't even much style there. I think he looks unnatural on the ball.Disagree. I think you can easily evaluate his performances fairly. He's all style and no substance so far. He's a player that looks the part but ultimately doesn't deliver the goods.
That's why in mid April he has just 3 PL goals and 0 assists. That's the same as Fred.
The season when Solskjaer tried hard working Andreas Pereira in both no 10 and wide right roles before abandoning him having bought Fernandes in the winter transfer window, Pereira got 1 goal + 3 assists in 1501 PL mins, with his xG 2.29 and xA 3.71, xG90 0.14, xA90 0.22. We sold Andreas for £8m rising to £10m with add-ons.3 goals and 0 assists in the league. 0 goals since early October, a drought which has spanned 14 games. Anyone pretending he isn't a monumental flop needs to wake up and smell the coffee, incredibly average player
Who expected Almiron to improve in such a way this season ? It's one thing to criticize a player but another to completely write him offDo you seriously believe that Antony can be as good as Salah and Saka? He will improve but Almiron is probably his ceiling. He is underwhelming and so is Sancho.
I know. I think it’s the price tag that’s driving it. He has some limitations but he’s a good team player and, being 22, he has time to learn how to get the best out of himself.This place annoys me to be honest. The level of negativity never ceases to amaze me.
Here you have a 22 yr old playing his first season in a very difficult league. Does the basics and helps the team whenever he is on the pitch. And most importantly, hasn't dropped his head depsite underperforming yet! We can't even show little patience.
It’s not as simple as saying “buy Dembele”. First of all you have to be able to get him - not certain. Then if you do get him, he has to be better - not certain. How many players have we bought thinking they are the holy grail?The fact that the best arguments that pro Antony supporters come up with is that he's young. its his first season, he will get better, he needs a striker and a RB etc just proves one thing. He is not good enough. Sure he might be in 1, 2, 3, 4 seasons but the question is do we just carry him for a few years? If he's not good enough and he needs time, then he needs to be a bench player for a few years. Get Dembele for example and say to him push Dembele out if your good enough. This is United's problem. We keep waiting for first team players to come good. Why?
I think Antony had better games but maybe that's because I consider him to be a right midfielder rather than an attacker. He had a good game and I expect him to be useful in those games against poor opposition (unlucky not to assist or score).Arguably his best game for us this season yet some of you still trying to find any angle to knock him down.
If we had Saka, or a player as good as him, on our right wing then top 4 would already be sealed. We'd easily have another 6-9pts in my opinion.
This is the harsh reality of football. Players don't get to choose their transfer fees but when you go for 84m you need to deliver the goods.
Next season we need much much more from him. The only trouble with that is I don't see how he achieves it as he's not going to get any quicker or develop a good right foot now at his age. I can't see him cutting in on his left most of the game being good enough.