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What a load of rubbish. We created plenty that game, the finishing was just off. That has nothing to do with how well they defended (they didn't).That's why we are so easy to defend. We are too predictable.
Agreed, although we’ll see how he gets on against the likes of Salah, Mahrez etc in March, rather than what he’s had to do so far. Hopefully with more game time and confidence we won’t see anything like we got defensively against Villarreal.Until December people were saying he is shittier than AWB. Now the narrative has changed, he is only little better than AWB - that's just after a run of 10 games. AWB got 3 years to show his ability .
So the ideal scenario would be minimum 6-8 months for this kid too. He deserves it.
I think describing him as 'developing nicely' is really pushing the definition of that term. He was 21 when he joined, he's 24 now. He played 100 games in those first two seasons and I honestly don't see him as being significantly better now than he was after he first signed. A marginal improvement (if that's even what has happened, which i personally don't see) should be the absolute bare minimum expectation. Arguably, given the expected trajectory of a footballer between those ages, you could say he's fallen below the expected upward curve. Just my take, and i don't exactly watch every utd game, or pay particular attention to him when i do watch. He does enough defensively that i would certainly not call him a failed signing, but Utd thrive when they get players who go above and beyond normal standards, who strive to become better and better at all aspects of the game. I don't see that with him.Controversial but I think AWB and Dalot are both solid and perfectly adequate - AWB was developing nicely until this season where his form has nose dived and he’s had injuries. Dalot has surprised me with how solid he’s been defensively - as he gets more confident his attacking game will improve. Add in Laird and the fact they’re all young then RB is the least of our worries.
That's because Dalot played twice less minutes/games than Bissaka. If we use per 90 min on one of those stat (progressive pass), Dalot made 4.69 per 90 progressive passes this season and only Matic, Bruno, and Pogba made more per 90 which means he's currently ranked 4th in our squad for per 90 progressive passer. While Bissaka made 2.62 per 90 progressive passes this season. You can go look at the other stats using 90 mins and I wouldn't be surprised if Dalot has much higher than Bissaka.In terms of end product Dalot really isn't doing much at all but he offers a lot more on the ball than AWB in other ways, most notably in terms of actually being able to move the ball forward down our right flank.
This season's stats in percentile terms:
Progressive passes - AWB 18th, Dalot 82nd
Progressive carries - AWB 58th, Dalot 81st
Passes into the final third - AWB 28th, Dalot 69th
Passes into the penalty area - AWB 18th, Dalot 89th
Through balls - AWB 29th, Dalot 86th
Passes under pressure - AWB 53rd, Dalot 86th.
Okay. I do watch every United game and he was developing nicely. He scored 2 goals and got 4 assists in 34 games - the highest contribution in his career. He’d improved on the ball hence his highest ever pass completion - and was dealing far better with teams targeting him as a trigger to press (he’d come a long way since Southampton home during lockdown was a nightmare). Incidentally until this season AWB had always averaged above 7 on whoscored over a season - he’s ridiculously underrated because he has an awkward style about him. Dalot is definitely better passing from deep but AWB is miles better at driving forward with the ball and winning the ball back high. This season he’s been poor which on this place means he’s always been shit and is now finished. At 24.I think describing him as 'developing nicely' is really pushing the definition of that term. He was 21 when he joined, he's 24 now. He played 100 games in those first two seasons and I honestly don't see him as being significantly better now than he was after he first signed. A marginal improvement (if that's even what has happened, which i personally don't see) should be the absolute bare minimum expectation. Arguably, given the expected trajectory of a footballer between those ages, you could say he's fallen below the expected upward curve. Just my take, and i don't exactly watch every utd game, or pay particular attention to him when i do watch. He does enough defensively that i would certainly not call him a failed signing, but Utd thrive when they get players who go above and beyond normal standards, who strive to become better and better at all aspects of the game. I don't see that with him.
Why?Until December people were saying he is shittier than AWB. Now the narrative has changed, he is only little better than AWB - that's just after a run of 10 games. AWB got 3 years to show his ability .
So the ideal scenario would be minimum 6-8 months for this kid too. He deserves it.
Why not? AWB, as mentioned in that post, started throughout all of Ole's reign and never improved. Surely, others will look at that and wonder why they don't deserve those chances too?Why?
Because he is our player ? Because he never had a consistent run of games ? Because he is only 22 ? Because he has shown improvement when given a run of games ?Why?
No I just think the word “deserve” is quite strong. I don’t mind giving everyone fair chance but I was just curious why you said “he deserves it”. I don’t feel that he’s been so outstanding so far that he “deserves” it.Because he is our player ? Because he never had a consistent run of games ? Because he is only 22 ? Because he has shown improvement when given a run of games ?
Is it really hard to understand?
Fair enough but you are saying this just after 10 games. People were hell bent on justifying AWBs performances for 3 years stating he will improve. Not saying Dalot needs 3 years but half of what we gave to AWB, is something which we should give.No I just think the word “deserve” is quite strong. I don’t mind giving everyone fair chance but I was just curious why you said “he deserves it”. I don’t feel that he’s been so outstanding so far that he “deserves” it.
on a separate note, I thought Boro’s RB/RWB was good going forward
The stats I posted show Dalot much higher than AWB, that's my point. They're the percentile numbers.That's because Dalot played twice less minutes/games than Bissaka. If we use per 90 min on one of those stat (progressive pass), Dalot made 4.69 per 90 progressive passes this season and only Matic, Bruno, and Pogba made more per 90 which means he's currently ranked 4th in our squad for per 90 progressive passer. While Bissaka made 2.62 per 90 progressive passes this season. You can go look at the other stats using 90 mins and I wouldn't be surprised if Dalot has much higher than Bissaka.
I thought you were referring to ‘’ranked’’The stats I posted show Dalot much higher than AWB, that's my point. They're the percentile numbers.
Jesus Christ, that is absurd. What the hell has AWB been doing in training that's afforded him so much leeway for so long? I know this has been an especially bad run of form for him, but his deficiencies on the ball have stuck out since he joined.In terms of end product Dalot really isn't doing much at all but he offers a lot more on the ball than AWB in other ways, most notably in terms of actually being able to move the ball forward down our right flank.
This season's stats in percentile terms:
Progressive passes - AWB 18th, Dalot 82nd
Progressive carries - AWB 58th, Dalot 81st
Passes into the final third - AWB 28th, Dalot 69th
Passes into the penalty area - AWB 18th, Dalot 89th
Through balls - AWB 29th, Dalot 86th
Passes under pressure - AWB 53rd, Dalot 86th.
For what it’s worth AWB was developing until this season. Like others he regressed and has struggled since.Fair enough but you are saying this just after 10 games. People were hell bent on justifying AWBs performances for 3 years stating he will improve. Not saying Dalot needs 3 years but half of what we gave to AWB, is something which we should give.
Yeah tbf this season AWB's stats are particularly low. Last season he was:Jesus Christ, that is absurd. What the hell has AWB been doing in training that's afforded him so much leeway for so long? I know this has been an especially bad run of form for him, but his deficiencies on the ball have stuck out since he joined.
The numbers overwhelmingly back up the eye test, which begs the question of why he's had such fierce acolytes on here for so long?
He (AWB) looks a tiny bit better offensively and worse defensively. I think he's actually regressed since coming to us.I think describing him as 'developing nicely' is really pushing the definition of that term. He was 21 when he joined, he's 24 now. He played 100 games in those first two seasons and I honestly don't see him as being significantly better now than he was after he first signed. A marginal improvement (if that's even what has happened, which i personally don't see) should be the absolute bare minimum expectation. Arguably, given the expected trajectory of a footballer between those ages, you could say he's fallen below the expected upward curve. Just my take, and i don't exactly watch every utd game, or pay particular attention to him when i do watch. He does enough defensively that i would certainly not call him a failed signing, but Utd thrive when they get players who go above and beyond normal standards, who strive to become better and better at all aspects of the game. I don't see that with him.
Agreed. We will have too many other things to fix. Both will be here next season. I think we're fine with what we have there. They're not TAA, Cancelo or James, but they'll do the job for another season. If Dalot continues to play like this, he will keep this spot his own. What we really need from him is to improve his final ball.I think people are going to have to learn to tolerate AWB and Dalot for a long time because with Greenwood gone we really can't afford to upgrade at RB.
They are sufficient.
It's pathetic he had to go to Milan to get that insight, Maldini or not.Tweet
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Well we had OGS and his staff as coaches for most of his time here, what do we expect?It's pathetic he had to go to Milan to get that insight, Maldini or not.
Also Ethan Laird should be in the first team squad next yearI think people are going to have to learn to tolerate AWB and Dalot for a long time because with Greenwood gone we really can't afford to upgrade at RB.
They are sufficient.
Wasn't there a tweet last season where it suggested Ole was frustrated with Dalot for not closing down players quick enough or something?It's pathetic he had to go to Milan to get that insight, Maldini or not.
Well, Maldini is GOAT defender so i am glad that Dalot worked with him.It's pathetic he had to go to Milan to get that insight, Maldini or not.
Dalot could have been the new Cafu at training Ole wasn’t giving him a chance to prove himself and that’s that.Wasn't there a tweet last season where it suggested Ole was frustrated with Dalot for not closing down players quick enough or something?
But at least he is doing more than our other 3 full backsHe is just not good enough.
