That would also show where Max stands for consistency. He has more DNFs than Hamilton, but while he's in the RB, it's hard to say if it's him or the car. (Like the tire issue last weekend: who's to blame for that?)I wouldn't really argue/debate with anyone basically because ( like you say ) the drivers mentioned all did it in different era's. There's absolute no doubt if Max was in the same car as Hammy viewing figures would reach a record high. They're clearly the two fastest drivers on the grid, boy I'd pay good money to watch them both in the same team.
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It was debris that caused it to fail, so unless he drove over something in the road that he should have avoided you'd say it was purely bad luck. It wasn't worn out at all.
Very very good question, whilst I can only hazard a guess (( he's always been more aggressive on the tyres )) Adam more clued up than me and can probably give you a more educated opinion.
Ah OK. But in general, he has DNFs more often than Hamilton. (Right?) I'm not at all trying to suggest that that is indeed his own fault (there might be a good reason every single time); just saying that that's another question that only having them under really similar circumstances would take away.
Mercedes are pretty much unmatched in terms of reliability and it's been getting better each year for them. I feel like back in the Hamilton/Rosberg days they had a few more reliability issues but this year they have been very good, barring some early issues with tyres. That, together with the pace of the car and of course the drivers has been key to their success over the last 7 years. I don' think Red Bull can come anywhere close to matching that level of reliability so Max gets a little shafted. Uncertainty around engineer suppliers in recent years has contributed, and will continue to contribute.
His DNF's are usually through car failure than him causing a crash or making a mistake. Obviously he does have his moments and he's certainly a bit more hot headed than Hamilton. I'd say he's more Schumacher or Senna than Hamilton in terms of mentality.
It's a shame we can't get them in the same Mercedes for 1 year and let them fight it out over a season, would be epic.
Thanks guys. Yeah, if only F1 would level its playing field a little, it'd be so much easier to compare drivers! (And just more fun to watch.)
Whilst it hardly exactly been Max's fault with DNF he is the more aggressive drive which long term can have detrimental effect on the car & tyres, that's the way I see it anyway.
Good point but only on today's era not passed. I'd still bet my bottom dollar on Hammy though.
Yeah, of course. It's like football. Today's players can be compared fairly well to each other, even though they do work in different circumstances ('x is only looking good because his team's system / the league / whatever suits him so well'); but it's almost impossible to compare Messi to Maradona.
I think I would also back Hamilton right now. I am not qualified to compare their exact driving skills, but on the mental side, Hamilton also has the benefit of age and experience, and being more mentally stable in the knowledge that he has already won it all; there is no frustration about anything bigger for him anymore. But maybe he was always like that.
Messi or hand of God ? Don't like the cheat so Messi for me.
Good assessment on Hammy & Max.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-incredible-origin-story-of-the-mercedes-f1-era/
This is a great read if you have 10 minutes, great insight into the V6 Hybrid development.
This is a great read if you have 10 minutes, great insight into the V6 Hybrid development.
Vietnamese GP dropped for next year.
Doubt it will ever happen
Doubt it will ever happen
The Vietnam GP will not feature on the 2021 Formula 1 calendar when it is announced on Tuesday.
It is understood that 22 races will be unveiled on next year's schedule but that the season could ultimately feature 23 races if Vietnam is replaced.
Vietnam had been due to make its debut on this year's F1 calendar in April at a new street track in Hanoi before it was cancelled due to the coronavirus pandemic.
But the decision to drop it for 2021 is understood to be linked to political issues in the country.
Meanwhile, Brazil's Interlagos is set to continue for next season with work on a planned new circuit in Rio still awaiting government approval to start work.
It is understood that 22 races will be unveiled on next year's schedule but that the season could ultimately feature 23 races if Vietnam is replaced.
Vietnam had been due to make its debut on this year's F1 calendar in April at a new street track in Hanoi before it was cancelled due to the coronavirus pandemic.
But the decision to drop it for 2021 is understood to be linked to political issues in the country.
Meanwhile, Brazil's Interlagos is set to continue for next season with work on a planned new circuit in Rio still awaiting government approval to start work.
Thank god for that, with Saudi Arabia being a street track also that's all we needed.
The less street tracks the better!
The less street tracks the better!
Provisional 2021 F1 calendar
Race 4 ??
- 21 March – Australia (Melbourne)
- 28 March – Bahrain (Sakhir)
- 11 April – China (Shanghai)
- 25 April – TBC (TBC)
- 9 May – Spain (Barcelona)*
- 23 May – Monaco (Monaco)
- 6 June – Azerbaijan (Baku)
- 13 June – Canada (Montreal)
- 27 June – France (Le Castellet)
- 4 July – Austria (Spielberg)
- 18 July – United Kingdom (Silverstone)
- 1 August – Hungary (Budapest)
- 29 August – Belgium (Spa)
- 5 September – Netherlands (Zandvoort)
- 12 September – Italy (Monza)
- 26 September – Russia (Sochi)
- 3 October – Singapore (Singapore)
- 10 October – Japan (Suzuka)
- 24 October – USA (Austin)
- 31 October – Mexico (Mexico City)
- 14 November – Brazil (Sao Paulo)*
- 28 November – Saudi Arabia (Jeddah)
- 5 December – Abu Dhabi (Abu Dhabi)
Race 4 ??
I would love a rotating cast of “classic” tracks if they can’t find a permanent week 4.
Imola, Estoril, Nurburgring, Magny Cours etc.
Imola, Estoril, Nurburgring, Magny Cours etc.
Be interesting to see how the current cars deal with Turkey this weekend, they are probably going to eat up Turn 8 like its a non-entity. Can't help but love the track though.
F1 Calendar is starting to look like a NBA season. Can't say I'm too excited about it. Hamilton is probably going to win it by mid September anyway.
It's funny how they generally keep the two-weeks gaps, but some of the biggest geographical leaps are one week apart: from Melbourne to Bahrain and from Baku to Montreal. But then there's two weeks between Austria and Silverstone and between Monza and Sochi - followed by only one week to Signapore. The team are going to love that.
The flyaway races are easier in terms of set up & logistics than the European legs. If any races were considered to be close together, then the flyaways are the preferred option.
Oh, really! Interesting. I figured it'd be the inverse. Shows what I know, then.
I get the desire to race in Spain - but aren't there any other (better) circuits than Barcelona?
I love the lineup of races from May 23-Sept 12
Edit: poor Albon leaving unintentionally leaving the door open for more criticism again probably :
Formula 1 RSS UK: 'My dad laughed at me' – Verstappen explains why he won't use head padding at high g-force Istanbul. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...se-head-padding-at.Jf3cqTb4agANVn8O9XBdE.html
Sat next to him meanwhile, Verstappen’s team mate Alex Albon, said he would go in a different direction to the Dutchman this weekend...
“I'd prefer that my head doesn’t fall off,” he told the media.
Meanwhile, the Mercedes duo of Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas also confirmed that neither of them would use head padding around Istanbul Park, as the pair get set for what could be a title showdown this weekend.
I love the lineup of races from May 23-Sept 12
Edit: poor Albon leaving unintentionally leaving the door open for more criticism again probably :
Formula 1 RSS UK: 'My dad laughed at me' – Verstappen explains why he won't use head padding at high g-force Istanbul. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...se-head-padding-at.Jf3cqTb4agANVn8O9XBdE.html
Sat next to him meanwhile, Verstappen’s team mate Alex Albon, said he would go in a different direction to the Dutchman this weekend...
“I'd prefer that my head doesn’t fall off,” he told the media.
Meanwhile, the Mercedes duo of Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas also confirmed that neither of them would use head padding around Istanbul Park, as the pair get set for what could be a title showdown this weekend.
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Looks like it's "icestanbul" this weekend, track was very slippery in FP1.
Barcelona are looking for a long term contract (till 2024) and Liberty want the same, there's no desire to move the Grand Prix anytime soon I don't think. There was talks of Barcelona not renewing, but a new president of the circuit has committed his long term interest, and has strong support in the provincial government. Jerez was rumoured for a while for this years calendar, and had shown interest for the 2021 date, but not sure if they have the budget for it.
Bit of a shame the new surface is here so we can’t see them full beans at the moment but if it shakes up the order and creates bit of a different challenge then it could be fun. Two drs zones and a long straight, it could be mega.
only saw bits of FP1 and 2, but the tracks looks like it will provide a SC or 3.
new surface 2 weeks ago , with nothing on since, qualifying will be interesting.
new surface 2 weeks ago , with nothing on since, qualifying will be interesting.
Interesting FP3, I'd say the first half was ok in terms of safety but if the standing water at the end does not clear up I don't see how they can run qualifying. Rain is always fun but on a normal track there's alternative lines with grip so the very best can stand out, here there's no grip on any of the lines so it feels a bit like a lottery. It's a bit like the final corner at Hockenheim in the wet but for the entire track 
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.Not shocked there was so little laps in FP3, Lewis not even setting a time, no point pushing it only to wipe out.
The problems of holding European F1 in November.
Will make for an interesting quali.
What weather is forecast for raceday?
What weather is forecast for raceday?
If the conditions stay the same, hard to see Q1 starting on time.
dry cloudy BBC say less than 10% chance of rain, max 14 degrees, on the new tarmac after that rain, its going to be fun for us I think , but not the drivers.
Its not raining, but a wet track.
Start could be full wets maybe inters, looking to go on slicks, Q3 , maybe second half of Q2.
Start could be full wets maybe inters, looking to go on slicks, Q3 , maybe second half of Q2.
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SC sliding around quite a lot, this is a full wets Q1 start.
wet and cold track , drizzle, new surface, wet grass touch that you have gone, this is going to be an interesting qualifying.
WOW there is a lot of standing water on the track.
I see a red flag sooner rather than later.
I see a red flag sooner rather than later.
Max and Albon out on inter ! Brave choice
Max spins almost immediately