I always felt like they were alternating, but good call nevertheless. I guess Mkhitaryan really needs to step it up these next few games
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Really poor performance. Seemed to lose the ball almost every time he got it.
I am a big fan of him but yesterday he did not show anything.
Overall I think that him, Martial and Rashford would be our best front 3 but yesterday they did not click at all.
There was one moment when Mkhi started a great run to the left but Martial tried to go through the middle and immediately lost the ball.
Maybe we can see them against a smaller team.
Overall I think that him, Martial and Rashford would be our best front 3 but yesterday they did not click at all.
There was one moment when Mkhi started a great run to the left but Martial tried to go through the middle and immediately lost the ball.
Maybe we can see them against a smaller team.
He just blindly ran against a wall of City players and lost the ball. He didnt create anything, couldnt hold on the ball and didnt help in the transition. That was a poor performance and I'd expect much more from him by now
I'm a big fan, but if we want to get back to the top, he's a sub, isn't he?
He is if that's the best we're going to get from him. He's capable of playing much better, though, as we've seen already this season.
Pogba gets a lot of stick for his performances against the big teams but Mkhi has done nothing himself and he's a far more experienced player.
He seems down for a while now...no spark and smiles at all. Even when he scored against Anderlecht both games he never really enjoyed it and celebrated really...just look at his body language. We know from his Dortmund days that he is mentally fragile player that can look like absolute world beater when he's feeling good and then dissapear and lose confidence if something is wrong. He simply isn't happy for a while now, it's visible and his performance suffered due to that.
In the Europa League you mean?
I think he struggles with the amount of contact in the Premier League. He just doesn't seem to work as a 10 at all in the PL.
Seriously doubt he'll be here the season after next.
He's a good player but woefully inconsistent.
He's a good player but woefully inconsistent.
Wouldn't be surprised if it is another Kagawa situation. A player who just doesn't work out here, the guy can score goals but during a game he can look both world class and pub level player in the span of two minutes.
Quite worrying.
Quite worrying.
Underwhelming in our big matches except for Spurs at home.
Need more from him. Hopefully he can be decisive in the EL.
Need more from him. Hopefully he can be decisive in the EL.
He's had some good games in the PL too.
He scored the winner against Spurs but aside from that his goals came against Sunderland and a Leicester side in free fall. Overall he has been a flat track bully.
I think we should be patient though. It took him three seasons to hit his peak in Germany.
I do wonder though if Mourinho is the best manager for mentally fragile players.
Some of the kneejerking after the game has been embarrassing. He was poor last night but it's not as if we exactly set out to play attacking football anyways. We will see better from him next season i'm sure. He is reknown for being a bit iffy in his first season at new teams anyways.
I'd say that being a flat track bully in the League, combinee with consistently good performances in Europe is not bad at all for a first season at the club. A lot better than he did in his first season under Klopp, for example. Who epitomises the sort of touchy-feely nice guy you'd expect to get the best out of supposed mentally fragile players.
I said in the match day that this is the sort of game that Young should start in place of wiki
9 goals, 10 assists in his first league season for Klopp, too inconsistent and paling in comparison with Reus, Lewandowski or the departed Götze in regards to being a leading player, but not really terrible. That came in his second season.
Big matches were always a problem for him, even in his last season, so I wouldn't count on things changing in that regard.
Our forwards struggled with support. Yes it wasn't a good game from him but then Rashford and Martial both lost the ball in equal amounts.
They pressed us high and quickly and we didn't have the numbers forward to help play out of it. The fullbacks stayed at home and the midfield were far too slow to support, it's no surprise really.
Oh and the fact Atkinson seemed to let them tackle regularly at waist height and knock him over with no fouls given.
They pressed us high and quickly and we didn't have the numbers forward to help play out of it. The fullbacks stayed at home and the midfield were far too slow to support, it's no surprise really.
Oh and the fact Atkinson seemed to let them tackle regularly at waist height and knock him over with no fouls given.
HAHAHAHAHAEL- 588 minutes, 5 goals, 82.6% passing rate, 7.39 rating.
PL-1162 minutes, 4 goals, 84.3% passing rate, 7.03 rating.
Too many 4/10 games
This.. He had no space or lanes to pass into. But he wasn´t good by any stretch of the imagination..
I don't get this. Some of the best number 10s in recent times have played and thrived under Jose. Deco, Sneijder, Ozil, he even used Fabregas as a 10 and the lad thrived.
He was incredibly isolated last night which resulted in him passing too quickly, or attempting to dribble away from his marker and running into a wall of City players. The isolation was either down to his poor positioning or, more likely, due to the defensive instructions deployed by Mourinho. Man City did incredibly well at closing down quickly and rejecting forward passes. Our whole team struggled to complete a pass. I find it harsh to use a game and strategy like we did last night to base serious criticism at a player.
I still think he has all the ability and work rate to become a good player for us, but he will need to improve next season in order to replicate the performances he displayed for Dortmund in his last season.
Overall, he has been underwhelming and I have been disappointed with his impact this season, but I'm more than happy for him to be given more time at United to show he can bring his game to the next level.
I still think he has all the ability and work rate to become a good player for us, but he will need to improve next season in order to replicate the performances he displayed for Dortmund in his last season.
Overall, he has been underwhelming and I have been disappointed with his impact this season, but I'm more than happy for him to be given more time at United to show he can bring his game to the next level.
Very disappointing performance from him last night, but we didn't exactly play to his strengths.
Also, there's almost no point in Mkhitaryan trying to win anything in the air, I can't remember the last time he actually won an aerial duel.
Also, there's almost no point in Mkhitaryan trying to win anything in the air, I can't remember the last time he actually won an aerial duel.
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They're a different calibre in terms of touch/technique/footballing IQ and I wouldn't include Ozil as a typical example as he was used in a more attacking set up by Jose's standards.
What is common across all those players is 10/10 first touch, you'll never see those guys lose control of the ball and their decision making on the ball is top notch.. both short passes, long passes, through balls.
Mkhitaryan is quicker than all of them, but is brainless in comparison and very inconsistent in passing/technique.
This means in a counter-attacking set up, he can (with space) drive into if very effectively and grab goals) but when space is at a premium and the game is tight, high pressured.. he falls to pieces and looks bang average.
Yesterday was an awful performance and after yesterday I don't see him as anything but a squad player going forwards if we want to win the title or challenge for champions league. He is a talented footballer, but he's too flaky and his bottom level technically is poor. At his best, he's a genius, but at his worst.. he's terrible and for a team which is defensive.. we can't afford passengers up front, we need guys who are bang on it 9 times out of 10 and can make the most out of little possession.
In a team which dominates possession and in a free flowing team, he'd be fine I reckon but he's not the ideal link between midfield and attack we need. I can see him becoming a more support type player next year and possibly blossoming in such a role or being phased out altogether if he can't up his game.
He was shite but Valencia didnt attack last night seemingly for tactical reasons so he was left extremely isolated
This is spot on.
I think when we fall in love with players here. We tend to become a bit too kind in the way we assess them. Mikhi and Martial were way too disappointing yesterday. The problem had nothing to do tactics. In a game where your big guns are missing, you expect players like Mikhi to take the game by the neck and dictate midfield play but the rate at which he lost the ball was shocking. We talk about Jose not giving Martial chances but how many times have we seen him play well in one game and then become average in the next?
Your post is the most balanced assessment of Mikhi I have read in a while.
Very poor last night but that goes for all of our attacking players. No link between midfield and attack on the rare occasions we managed to actually get the ball.
I think that was his job. He had numerous opportunities to get a pass off to set up a counter but he inexplicably held on to it, trying to dribble, and lost possession.
Not much output in the league but more impressive in the lower standard Europa League. Sounds rather like a description of Memphis Depay.
He was poor, same goes for Martial & Rashford (tho he looked like a threat as always), but I don't blame it on them, it was a really tough and defensive game. Either they were isolated up front or too far back defending without any space when given the ball.
Doesn't seem to have any strength at all, it looks like a gust of wind would knock him over.
An assist to Mata a few games back.
Jose's setup is a problem. He knows well that Fellaini is not a good passer to keep the tempo up. He brings Darmian in, who is shit going forward. Valencia also did not do a lot of support on the right. So as somebody mentioned, fullbacks stayed home, Herrera was busy with defensive duties, so was Carrick. Who is going to connect the midfield to an attack? Jose chose this tactic and instructed to do long balls to Rashford. As a result, Martial and Miki were isolated going forward, but they did do their defensive duties.
If Jose played Miki instead of Fellaini and front 3 of Rashford, Martial and Lingard, the story would have been different. Or Lingard instead of Fellaini and front 3 of Miki, Rashford and Martial.
If Jose played Miki instead of Fellaini and front 3 of Rashford, Martial and Lingard, the story would have been different. Or Lingard instead of Fellaini and front 3 of Miki, Rashford and Martial.
Think we can agree that Mhki is a top class player with bags of talent. His performances for Dortmund were incredible over the past few years. But it's becoming a bit of a worry when he tends to go missing in the big games. Needs to be delivering now against the likes of Arsenal and Spurs coming up in the next few weeks. No doubt he'll play because the squad is so decimated at the moment that Mourinho has no other options in midfield. Mhki has to start turning up in these big games.
Correct, both fullbacks were held back and our attack suffered for it. But Mkhi hasn't been particularly good over a full 90 for some time though still has his eyecatching moments
Despite having a mediocre season, I would consider Mkhi a success at United if he continues scoring in the Europa and wins us the trophy.
I think a lot of his potential is wasted because of the lack of understanding/communication between the attacking players. Earlier in the season it sometimes appeared as if the rest of the players up front couldn't keep up with Mkhitaryan's style of play. He would pass to a player, make a quick clever run, and then not receive the ball back because it was passed sideways or back instead. Maybe he got a bit discouraged. Hopefully we get our attack in order next season just as our solid defence this season, it would do him a world of good.
so the question is did HE change all of a sudden (and why???) or things around him change. People naively think it's because of the 1st season or his qualities but it's not. If that is a set of players, these are Mou's priorities and game ideas Mickey won't show anytning and he needs to looks for another club playing fast attacking football and employing that level of players.
his face says everything
I look at his last season for Dortmund and try to figure how it worked out for him. He got a lot of support from both fullbacks, Schmelzer and LP/ Ginter. Hummels was the ball playing CB, who would look for Miki to make that key 20-30 yard pass. Gundogan played to Miki a lot more than Pogba does. Auba and Reus had better understanding with Miki than Lingard, Rashford and Martial. They have been together for 3 years and read each others game perfectly.
As for Miki, his crosses and shots were a lot better last year. And of course Tuchel was more diplomatic than Jose in criticising his players.
I don't know if we should take too much from City game. Let's see how he finishes the season.
As for Miki, his crosses and shots were a lot better last year. And of course Tuchel was more diplomatic than Jose in criticising his players.
I don't know if we should take too much from City game. Let's see how he finishes the season.
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