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Absolutely brilliant hope they do all rally round at the stupidity of this decision.Ian Wright is a good egg. Hopefully the rest of the pundits do the same.
Absolutely brilliant hope they do all rally round at the stupidity of this decision.Ian Wright is a good egg. Hopefully the rest of the pundits do the same.
Ok, but you'll have to assume every holocaust survivor has the exact same opinion as her. And not just on this but presumably on everything that happened at that terrible time. For every historical moment, however significant or abhorrent, you'll be able to find people who were alive at the time who have different opinions about it. I dont doubt that many survivors would balk at the notion that modern UK is similar to nazi germany. When we're old we may well give differing accounts on what happened in these years.Fair enough. I’ll believe the person that was actually alive and there at the time.
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Won't be a good look for whoever steps in this weekend.Ian Wright is a good egg. Hopefully the rest of the pundits do the same.
I'm sure they do have a say in it. My point is that you can't just decide that everything is made for political reasons. The BBC are struggling at the moment. They are probably making a hell of a lot of decisions they don't want to make due to outside influence. They are heavily funded by the public so and decision that might piss off a large part of the public might not be a good idea.Also you've read it enough in this thread about their chairman, but if you don't think a Tory donor has any say in wider policy then what are you on. Why do you think people like Emily Maitlis have left in recent years?
There’s nothing to disagree with it is factually correct.Ya I disagree with her.
Probably something to do with the person now in charge maybe not being politically impartial themselves.I'm sure they do have a say in it. My point is that you can't just decide that everything is made for political reasons. The BBC are struggling at the moment. They are probably making a hell of a lot of decisions they don't want to make due to outside influence. They are heavily funded by the public so and decision that might piss off a large part of the public might not be a good idea.
The people who run the BBC might be doing all this because they are staunch Tories or perhaps its because of the fear that this would damage the BBC.
I have no horse in this race. I like Lineker and hes one of the very few good pundits. I can very much see why he has got in trouble for his tweet. As I said before. I don't think people should be censored for their views wherever they sit on the political spectrum but he has broken their rules by the looks of it. The debate should probably be whether they are applying those rules equally and why not.
People like this are the problem.Oh dear.
well, it isnt, all issues are full of nuance and interpretation and ill refer you to my recent reply to solius. Im not getting involved in ten different back and forths to explain why i think theres a difference between tackling the small boats crisis and nazi germany.There’s nothing to disagree with it is factually correct.
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Yeah and I'm very much an actual pigeon.I'm very much left leaning
Let me give you @mctrials23 next responseMost BBC presenters, writers, actors etc are left leaning because most people who work in TV are left leaning, most creative people are left leaning. However anyone who thinks the BBC executives aren't right leaning needs their heads wobbling. They quite literally just pulled an Attenborough episode from air because they were worried the right wing might complain. Its bloody Attenborough. Also you've read it enough in this thread about their chairman, but if you don't think a Tory donor has any say in wider policy then what are you on. Why do you think people like Emily Maitlis have left in recent years?
Yeah and I'm very much an actual pigeon.
Let me give you @mctrials23 next response
"I don't believe any of that evidence shows that the BBC is Tory, even if they're run by a literal Tory. What about Matthew Macfadyen when he was on Ripper Street and ate an apple turnover on set? Where was the left wing outrage at that? I'm totally a lefty myself by the way."
They both just said that the language and rhetoric used is similar. It didn’t just start with concentration camps. It was a slow process over years which began with the dehumanisation of a group of people using language like that.Ok, but you'll have to assume every holocaust survivor has the exact same opinion as her. And not just on this but presumably on everything that happened at that terrible time. For every historical moment, however significant or abhorrent, you'll be able to find people who were alive at the time who have different opinions about it. I dont doubt that many survivors would balk at the notion that modern UK is similar to nazi germany. When we're old we may well give differing accounts on what happened in these years.
His views were about the language being used by politicians to discuss this issue. It’s the same language used back then. Dehumanising and divisive.well, it isnt, all issues are full of nuance and interpretation and ill refer you to my recent reply to solius. Im not getting involved in ten different back and forths to explain why i think theres a difference between tackling the small boats crisis and nazi germany.
YesThey both just said that the language and rhetoric used is similar. It didn’t just start with concentration camps. It was a slow process over years which began with the dehumanisation of a group of people using language like that.
He didn't say they were exactly the same thing, did he? You don't need to explain why you think there's a difference between "tackling the small boat crisis and Nazi Germany". The point was about similarity in language and policy being used to dehumanise groups of people for political gain. There's you nuance.well, it isnt, all issues are full of nuance and interpretation and ill refer you to my recent reply to solius. Im not getting involved in ten different back and forths to explain why i think theres a difference between tackling the small boats crisis and nazi germany.
I'd boycott MOTD myself but I don't think I've watched it for about 10 years anyway.
So, follow the logic of that last sentence and see if you think the points about Tory control of the BBC might have something.I'm sure they do have a say in it. My point is that you can't just decide that everything is made for political reasons. The BBC are struggling at the moment. They are probably making a hell of a lot of decisions they don't want to make due to outside influence. They are heavily funded by the public so and decision that might piss off a large part of the public might not be a good idea.
The people who run the BBC might be doing all this because they are staunch Tories or perhaps its because of the fear that this would damage the BBC.
I have no horse in this race. I like Lineker and hes one of the very few good pundits. I can very much see why he has got in trouble for his tweet though. As I said before. I don't think people should be censored for their views wherever they sit on the political spectrum but he has broken their rules by the looks of it. The debate should probably be whether they are applying those rules equally and why not.
Braverman made a similar assertion not too long ago and was called out for it. It’s bullshit of the highest order. All of a sudden the free speech enthusiasts don’t like free speech.I think the point of difference here is a that Lineker referenced Nazi Germany which is massively taboo at all levels of society.
If he'd made the same criticism without the reference I doubt he would be relieved of his MOTD duties, rightly or wrongly.
Anyway I seriously hope Jenas doesn't get the gig, he's fecking terrible. Would much rather Shearer or Wright if we're choosing from the current pundits.
Lord Sugar has done the same in referencing Corbyn in a photo with HitlerI think the point of difference here is a that Lineker referenced Nazi Germany which is massively taboo at all levels of society.
If he'd made the same criticism without the reference I doubt he would be relieved of his MOTD duties, rightly or wrongly.
Anyway I seriously hope Jenas doesn't get the gig, he's fecking terrible. Would much rather Shearer or Wright if we're choosing from the current pundits.
They both just said that the language and rhetoric used is similar. It didn’t just start with concentration camps. It was a slow process over years which began with the dehumanisation of a group of people using language like that.
Sorry, gents, rewatching the initial Braverman video he tweeted about, I just dont see the comparative language to nazi germany that isnt tenuous. It's a huge leap to make in my opinion and if any language that encourages a more transparent, safer approach to migration, which includes ensuring that host countries have enough means to accomodate and treat these desperate people adequately, is aligned with language of Nazi Germany, then i just dont think its a credible argument. It could be aligned to the position of several left wing governments just as easily and superficially. I detest the tory party, and dont doubt that they lack compassion, but its still an argument rooted in sophistryHis views were about the language being used by politicians to discuss this issue. It’s the same language used back then. Dehumanising and divisive.
I say this as someone with a grandfather who experienced this first hand and who has studied the history behind it. It’s factual to compare the language.
Not quite. The BBC is the media arm of power.The BBC has been an arm of the Tory government for years.
if you can, please try one message at a time, and also dont patronise. Im in the middle of trying to give you a considered reply while you're spamming me with links to genocide.@SER19 https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-.../what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/
Educate yourself. If you can’t see any parallels then look harder.
Ill refer you to previous posts. Not out of disrespect but I cant engage with several people at once.He didn't say they were exactly the same thing, did he? You don't need to explain why you think there's a difference between "tackling the small boat crisis and Nazi Germany". The point was about similarity in language and policy being used to dehumanise groups of people for political gain. There's you nuance.
Yeah got time for that. Neville, perhaps take note?Tweet
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Not had to bother ever since vids/gifs of the goals started being posted within seconds.I'd boycott MOTD myself but I don't think I've watched it for about 10 years anyway.
I don't think censorship is necessarily political correctness.PC gone mad. Who is stupid enough to read that tweet by Linekar on his own personal account and think to themselves "feck the BBC I'm cancelling my license"
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I would wager that everyone in every corporation has some political leaning. Plenty of them manage to keep their professional and private matters separate enough though.Probably something to do with the person now in charge maybe not being politically impartial themselves.
Are there really any of these. Gary Neville is a prime example of someone who has very strong opinions and morals until it gets in the way of his career/money.I sincerely hope every self respecting sports pundit tells the BBC to feck themselves for the foreseeable.