lem8sh
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Absolutely, he's a shit stirring scumbag.Looking back at his career I think the comments were loaded to cause a reaction.
Absolutely, he's a shit stirring scumbag.Looking back at his career I think the comments were loaded to cause a reaction.
because of his nigerian grandfather.Why is his left ear so much bigger than his right ear?
that's racistAfter recent Hillsborough events it's surprising that any Sun writer would launch this attack. MacKenzie being the editor at the time of Hillsborough and now writing this is beyond it being joke.
Regarding the race part. When Ross Barkley was younger I thought he was mixed race although I can excuse someone thinking he was not. Right now he looks less mixed race as he's got older.
What a snitching cnut.,..snitches get stitches in Liverpool, everyone knows that...BBC said:Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson told BBC Sport he reported the article to the police for a "racial slur".
Speaking to BBC Sport, Anderson said: "Not only is it racist in a sense that he is of mixed-race descent, equally it's a racial stereotype of Liverpool. It is racist and prehistoric."
Anderson later tweeted to say he had reported the article to Merseyside Police and the Independent Press Standards Organisation.
Making the link isn't what makes it racist or not. Racism isn't a perception.But Gareth Bale has been referred to as a monkey, without any correlation in his family tree, so why make the link in this case?
If you don't make that link, there is no racism in the comment. (Not excusing Mckenzie in any way.)
What lolIs Barkley even black??
Oh yeah, Kelvin, no doubt it's just 'pc gone mad'. Still, it's one hell of a coincidence that you can't state outright that black people are gorillas ("you cant say anything these days..."), so you've done the next 'best' thing by attacking Ross Barkley. And there's you, by your own admission*, with a vested interest in propagating racism; a hell of a coincidence, that.Tweet
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You were quick enough to take offence over a post. I thought the article was meaningless and provocative which is a opinion. Rather than engage in a content debat, you jumped straight into calling it a ignorant post without offering any response yourself. If you don't want to offer a counter opinion, then maybe you should stop responding with inane comments.In what way? I've not said anything threatening or agressive? Grow up kid.
I don't really care. Just thought I'd go for the ol cliched japeI`m not sure what joy one can get from others being unemployed, so really don`t understand this particular joke.
In any case, Manchester actually has higher unemployment than Liverpool.
Well this article suggests that people have disparagingly associated dark skinned people with apes/gorillas etc since the Middle Ages, so it's been a racist insult for a fair while actually. Regardless of when it started, the word has pretty obvious racist connotations. I think as a general rule, you should probably accept a term is racist when the people at whom the term is aimed unanimously tell you that it isIt's called common sense. Get used to it.
It's a bullshit article and more obvious when you consider the source. And when did Gorilla become a racist insult? If you can't identify attention seeking click bait, then you being offended has no meaning.
I think this is PC at it's worst. Insulting people with animal names has been there since when I was a kid. Calling and being called myself a dog or a monkey or a donkey is pretty much the standard of insult at school. It's really extreme when we need to have specific insults tailored by race/country etc. If you call a white person a gorilla, it's just an insult...but calling a mixed heritage person suddenly becomes racist insult...when that mixed heritage itself is not popular knowledge or obvious by looks.Well this article suggests that people have disparagingly associated dark skinned people with apes/gorillas etc since the Middle Ages, so it's been a racist insult for a fair while actually. Regardless of when it started, the word has pretty obvious racist connotations. I think as a general rule, you should probably accept a term is racist when the people at whom the term is aimed unanimously tell you that it is
I'm not convinced about the intention of the comparison, but.. seriously?And when did Gorilla become a racist insult?
No, sorry. This isn't PC going mad, it's basic entry level shit. Being called a monkey has clearly more significance when aimed at black people, historically, culturally, societally, contextually, name your favour. Claiming ignorance of that isn't some straight talking good ol' common sense, it's outright stupidity.Calling and being called myself a dog or a monkey or a donkey is pretty much the standard of insult at school
Yes. Seriously. This was being discussed at lunch and being a multi cultural bunch, none of us felt this was a racist insult. Insult, yes. Racist...tenuous.I'm not convinced about the intention of the comparison, but.. seriously?
It definitely wasn't racist but still a horrible piece and very poorly timedYes. Seriously. This was being discussed at lunch and being a multi cultural bunch, none of us felt this was a racist insult. Insult, yes. Racist...tenuous.
Yeah, that was my point. Totally agree.It definitely wasn't racist but still a horrible piece and very poorly timed
It must take some arsehole to write something like that
Oh, well as long as your anecdotal lunch crew are all agreed, the long, varied, colourful history of comparing black people to primates is irrelevant.Yes. Seriously. This was being discussed at lunch and being a multi cultural bunch, none of us felt this was a racist insult. Insult, yes. Racist...tenuous.
I believe it's a term more widely used as a simple insult against people of all races across countries. The racist connotation is not as obvious as most believe here. The actual perspective of the quote "certain not only are the lights not on, there is definitely nobody at home" adding: "I get a similar feeling when seeing a gorilla at the zoo." being he's not an intelligent footballer. You'd have to be uber sensitive or really seeking attention if you read that phrase and ignore the 'lights on' aspect and just fixate on the word gorilla.I'm not taking about this specific incident btw (as I said, I'm not entirely convinced by it) but the idea that "Gorilla" has no obvious racial connotations? I mean, again, seriously?
Calling out your ignorance was agressive? Behave.You were quick enough to take offence over a post. I thought the article was meaningless and provocative which is a opinion. Rather than engage in a content debat, you jumped straight into calling it a ignorant post without offering any response yourself. If you don't want to offer a counter opinion, then maybe you should stop responding with inane comments.
This literally is you.I believe it's a term more widely used as a simple insult against people of all races across countries. The racist connotation is not as obvious as most believe here. The actual perspective of the quote "certain not only are the lights not on, there is definitely nobody at home" adding: "I get a similar feeling when seeing a gorilla at the zoo." being he's not an intelligent footballer. You'd have to be uber sensitive or really seeking attention if you read that phrase and ignore the 'lights on' aspect and just fixate on the word gorilla.
Comparing someone of African heritage a gorilla is about as textbook racist as it gets.Absolutely ridiculous if that can be classed as racism
It was not a direct comparison obviously, just a wider point on how we perceive people. I have good exam results (no doubt much better than his), and a pretty good job. I'll still probably have to work until retirement age, when hopefully I can enjoy a few years and leave something for my kids. He meanwhile lives the life we all dreamt of when we were 8 and, provided he doesn't have a total meltdown, will live a life of luxury when he retires at the ripe old age of 35.Are you actually comparing wealth to intelligence? Or have I missed your point?
I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that England's historical dismissive attitude towards Liverpool and Scousers is based in anti-Irish and anti-Catholic sentiment.What a snitching cnut.,..snitches get stitches in Liverpool, everyone knows that...
And I'm pretty sure you can't be racist to a City?
Isn't researching things supposed to be a fundamental aspect of journalism? And McKenzie didn't even think to read Barkley's Wikipedia page before sending his diatribe to his editor?You'd have to be naive as hell to believe that this was a random, artless slating of someone with Barkley's heritage. As for McKenzie being ignorant of Barkley's background, all it would take for KM to be aware of it would be a standard Sun article about Ross choosing between England and Nigeria for his future international career.
Yeah, in the '80s people were always throwing bananas at white players because they looked a bit thick.I believe it's a term more widely used as a simple insult against people of all races across countries. The racist connotation is not as obvious as most believe here. The actual perspective of the quote "certain not only are the lights not on, there is definitely nobody at home" adding: "I get a similar feeling when seeing a gorilla at the zoo." being he's not an intelligent footballer. You'd have to be uber sensitive or really seeking attention if you read that phrase and ignore the 'lights on' aspect and just fixate on the word gorilla.
lol, Britain.According to Talksport his remarks are being investigated as reported to the police as racist by a member of the public.
If somebody made monkey noises at you, would you be happy with it? What's the difference?I think this is PC at it's worst. Insulting people with animal names has been there since when I was a kid. Calling and being called myself a dog or a monkey or a donkey is pretty much the standard of insult at school. It's really extreme when we need to have specific insults tailored by race/country etc. If you call a white person a gorilla, it's just an insult...but calling a mixed heritage person suddenly becomes racist insult...when that mixed heritage itself is not popular knowledge or obvious by looks.
Nailed it.This literally is you.
They don't really have much choice but to investigate it seeing as it was reported.Liverpool Police (who haven't got anything else to do, obviously) are investigating whether this constitutes a race-hate crime according to BBC Breakfast.
I'd say not meself, you do have to draw the line somewhere, isn't it? Just lock McKenzie up for being a dickhead - much more easily prove-able. And we're sorted, .
Anyone can report anything. Especially when it comes to hate incidents. If the person that's being insulted isn't upset or offended by it but you (a totally independent third party) are then you could report it as a hate incident and it would be investigated.lol, Britain.
Like i said, you'd give another person the benefit of the doubt...not this guy