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prarek

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thank you of your posting

even this was nothing related of what i said before
Maybe because nothing you said made any sense apart from stereotyping all Singaporeans. You said it smells. Smells of what? Care to elaborate?
 

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Ok honestly I think Lim has decent intentions. It doesn't smell as bad as Monaco (not yet anyway) and it does look like a long term project. He did try to go for Liverpool few years back as well, seems to be interested in football.
then probably mendes is the one he least wanna to hand a leg with
 

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then probably mendes is the one he least wanna to hand a leg with
Yes but he still has the most influence in players, so what better way to get young talented players to the club? This can only be good for La Liga. I don't see anything wrong as of now so I don't have a problem with the takeover.
 

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Yes but he still has the most influence in players, so what better way to get young talented players to the club? This can only be good for La Liga. I don't see anything wrong as of now so I don't have a problem with the takeover.
so this is nothing good to football, as simple as that
 

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you are pathetic of talking nonsense the relationship between falcao and monaco/mendes.

what did you say anything in concrete?
You want to talk about Falcao,Mendes,Monaco,Lim...I already told you what I think that happened with him,probably Chelsea pays because Monaco don't want to pay,do you want a more elaborated post about the meaning of a loan?.
 

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honestly, i'm not STERIOTYPING singapreon of anything. this can be just an coincidence of the lion city is the center of global underground gambling center of football. if you feel ever being offensed, i'm being sorry here
I understand your concerns if you are talking about Mendes. I think he is bad for football and he seems to have an influence over Lim as well. I just think Lim deserves a fair opinion here as he's done everything right so far. I think Mendes may be taking advantage of Lim. He sold Cancelo to Valencia for 15 million, now he is a talented youngster but no way is he worth that much. He is very much a work in progress that may or may not turn out to be a good player. Valencia are overpaying for his players imo.
 

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that's VERY strange then

i joined redCafe in aug2004. are you telling me you needed to spend two years to become a full member? you must be the most genius i've ever met
Not you. Malapapper. :wenger:
 

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They have sold the idea that Masía is enough to conquer Europe but obviously not everyone has enough level.
Masia is a myth. They got their "class of 92" and did more with it then anyone could have imagined and started selling it as if it was a part of their history.
Barcelona was a midget in European football until 10 years ago. They always had amazing talent (Cruyff, Romario, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, just to name a few) and played atractive football. That is why they were always on the map. Then came their "class of 92" and now it's back to the transfermarket (Alba, Neymar, Suarez, Rakitic, and so on).
3 years from now they will sell Neymar as a Masia product. Barca DNA.
 

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Masia is a myth. They got their "class of 92" and did more with it then anyone could have imagined and started selling it as if it was a part of their history.
Barcelona was a midget in European football until 10 years ago. They always had amazing talent (Cruyff, Romario, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, just to name a few) and played atractive football. That is why they were always on the map. Then came their "class of 92" and now it's back to the transfermarket (Alba, Neymar, Suarez, Rakitic, and so on).
3 years from now they will sell Neymar as a Masia product. Barca DNA.
Except their youth players came through at different times unlike our 92 lot. Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Busquests never came through at the same period. Give credit where its due, their academy had a tremendous period where it was bringing in great player after great player.

You just sound bitter my friend.
 

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maybe u know lim much more than i do. just i think any decent man won't wanna have a leg with mendes.

if lim is doing for football, even just from business sense, money is now being with the premier league. if i ever wanted to invest in football then i would buyout a champion team & get them into promotion and enjor the premier league premium. so, i really can't see the business reason to buyout out a la liga club, especially from a singaporean i'm sure u know very well historically they don't have much tie to the la liga
well I remember Dalian Wanda owner Wang Jianlin also looked at Southampton before opting for Atletico Madrid instead. it's not like the choice by Lim is weird.
 

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@rover oh also how could I forget that the Class of 92 bought Salford City FC with the same Peter Lim as their biz partner.
 

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Masia is a myth. They got their "class of 92" and did more with it then anyone could have imagined and started selling it as if it was a part of their history.
Barcelona was a midget in European football until 10 years ago. They always had amazing talent (Cruyff, Romario, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, just to name a few) and played atractive football. That is why they were always on the map. Then came their "class of 92" and now it's back to the transfermarket (Alba, Neymar, Suarez, Rakitic, and so on).
3 years from now they will sell Neymar as a Masia product. Barca DNA.
Isn't Alba one of their former youth products ?
 

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Masia is a myth. They got their "class of 92" and did more with it then anyone could have imagined and started selling it as if it was a part of their history.
Barcelona was a midget in European football until 10 years ago. They always had amazing talent (Cruyff, Romario, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, just to name a few) and played atractive football. That is why they were always on the map. Then came their "class of 92" and now it's back to the transfermarket (Alba, Neymar, Suarez, Rakitic, and so on).
3 years from now they will sell Neymar as a Masia product. Barca DNA.
In the 35 years since the current La Masia was created it has produced players like Guardiola, Motta, Amor, Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Messi, Pique, Thiago, Pedro, Busquets etc. Even the lesser knowns like Reina, Luis Garcia, Arteta, Navarro etc have gone on to have good careers elsewhere. These are all players from different generations.
 

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It seems that Kovacic to Madrid is almost done,that was quick :D. I think that Benitez had asked for a defensive midfielder and press had talked about Biglia.I honestly don't know him too much,I am reading that he is good with the ball.What do you think about him?similar to Modric?I guess that now Illarra will leave
 

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Real Madrid will be having a ceremony for the renewal of contract of Ramos. Pure muppetry by Real.
 

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Isn't Alba one of their former youth products ?
My bad, he is.



Except their youth players came through at different times unlike our 92 lot. Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Busquests never came through at the same period. Give credit where its due, their academy had a tremendous period where it was bringing in great player after great player.

You just sound bitter my friend.
Different time, but they all played in the same winning 11, so I believe my point stands.


In the 35 years since the current La Masia was created it has produced players like Guardiola, Motta, Amor, Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Messi, Pique, Thiago, Pedro, Busquets etc. Even the lesser knowns like Reina, Luis Garcia, Arteta, Navarro etc have gone on to have good careers elsewhere. These are all players from different generations.
You need to read the post I was referring to once again to be able to put my comment in the right context. Every big team had it's share of talent throughout history, no one is going to question that.
 

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In the 35 years since the current La Masia was created it has produced players like Guardiola, Motta, Amor, Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Messi, Pique, Thiago, Pedro, Busquets etc. Even the lesser knowns like Reina, Luis Garcia, Arteta, Navarro etc have gone on to have good careers elsewhere. These are all players from different generations.
You could extrapolate this to us (Utd), Real, Bayern M...even going back 10-15 years, you could apply it to Juve, the Milans, Lazio etc.
 

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Different time, but they all played in the same winning 11, so I believe my point stands.
It doesn't, because you refer to the class of 92, which is a collective group of players who played in the same youth teams. Lets say we look at the spine of that team; Valdes, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Sergio and Messi never played in the same Barcelona B teams. The fact that they all played in the same final eleven even though they came through different generations shows how good La Masia had been for a while.
 

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You could extrapolate this to us (Utd), Real, Bayern M...even going back 10-15 years, you could apply it to Juve, the Milans, Lazio etc.
Not as impressive as their record for the last 35 years. Try it.
 

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It doesn't, because you refer to the class of 92, which is a collective group of players who played in the same youth teams. Lets say we look at the spine of that team; Valdes, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Sergio and Messi never played in the same Barcelona B teams. The fact that they all played in the same final eleven even though they came through different generations shows how good La Masia had been for a while.
I'm referring to a team that won everything on a senior level with the spine that was made out of academy players. They can be 10 years apart in age for all I care, but the point stays the same. They were winning with academy players carrying the team. If you say that class of 92 is not a good example, I understand (then it's just a wrong example by me), but I was trying to prove that the whole "Barca way" and "La Masia" way is nonsense. It was pure luck to have all those talents there at the same time and they did more then anyone could ever imagine. It's impressive and amazing on so many levels that only an idiot would undermine their achievement, but my guess is 5 years from now most of Bartra, Munir, Sergi Roberto, Rafinha, etc... will end up like Deulofeu, so if that's me being bitter, I can live with that.
 

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Sky showing every liga game this week and next week. If only we got coverage of the PL similar to this.