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Yeah, Mourinho created something because Pogba was ill against Huddersfield and didn't start today.Scrutinised to the nth degree. Like Martial, Pogba's every move is likely to be microanalysed and subsequently exaggerated for and against.
Mourinho has created something that didn't need to be created.
The comments in here are more about how he looks and how people expect him to show emotion, than any useful analysis of his performance. He was quite clearly the best offensive player in the team, and became a lot more threatening when Sánchez and Mata came off. WhoScored give him a 7.2, which was actually the highest score of any of the offensive players on either side. Sánchez, Lukaku and Mata were voted the worst players on the team, and among the 5 worst on the pitch. I suspect he covered more ground than anyone else in his 75 minutes too. And created that chance Lukaku scored. But yeah, absolute dogshit.Surprised with some of the comments here. Thought he was one of the few who did well. Not great but better than the rest.
Criticising his form in public and dropping him the game after Spurs created a conversation that probably wasn't worth having.Yeah, Mourinho created something because Pogba was ill against Huddersfield and didn't start today.
What was the criticism of his form in the public again?Criticising his form in public and dropping him the game after Spurs created a conversation that probably wasn't worth having.
All of the noise surrounding Pogba is really based on one awful team performance against Spurs that he has more or less carried the can for.
Well that’s bollox. It’s his dreadful individual performance against Newcastle that really kicked off all the drama.Criticising his form in public and dropping him the game after Spurs created a conversation that probably wasn't worth having.
All of the noise surrounding Pogba is really based on one awful team performance against Spurs that he has more or less carried the can for.
Mourinho discussed Pogba's 'poor' form in a press conference the other day. He's also talked a lot about midfield positions, further fuelling the debate.What was the criticism of his form in the public again?
As I said above, thought he was decent tonight.He grew into the game late in the second half. Hope we see the real Pogba against Chelsea.
Oh just come of it man. . He was piss poor and gave zero shits about it. . He was dropped and rightly so.. Wouldnt start him vs Chelsea as they will run rings around our midfield with him playing like this .. Loosing Herrera with Pogba acting like this will really hurt us..He was good today and the only guy who tried constantly to move us forward from the back 7 Jose started with.
Anyway I still think he's our best outfield player. Large part of the problem in his performances lies mainly with Mourinho.
Would you say he disappeared vs Arsenal?As I said above, thought he was decent tonight.
But Chelsea is a 'big game', and thus, the pattern would suggest that Pogba will disappear in that game! Hope I'm wrong because I think we can beat this Chelsea side.
Come on. He was torn a new arsehole after the Spurs match. He was dropped the very next game. Pogba has had far worse games (last season, in particular) and been defended by the manager to the hilt. Now, something has changed and one of the most talented midfielders around isn't getting a start for us. It stinks.Well that’s bollox. It’s his dreadful individual performance against Newcastle that really kicked off all the drama.
I thought he played quite well tonight, mind you. Sensible, mature performance in a big game. Good response from him. Same again on Sunday please.
Well he disappeared literally from the pitch, so in a sense, yes.Would you say he disappeared vs Arsenal?
Took them a while,yes.Finally, people starting to see him for what he is.
The rose-rinters in here took a while to realize.
He is a very good player, and he can be sooo much better, one of the best, but that kid needs to stop being a spoiled little celebrity child, grow up grow a f***ng pair, and be and play as a man. 24 yrs old, and his biggest worry is his next colour and design of hair, he needs to have different shoes than rest of the team, silver backpack, because he is oh so different than the others, he is football player first and formost ffs. First you do the damn job on the pitch, and you can dress like Lady Gaga as far as I'm concern. Lazy little f**k, who thinks he is bigger than life, and we all should kiss the ground he walks on. He pisses me so much, I know limits of Valencia and Young for example, so I just roll my eyes, but when he does hollywood shot or pass, or not pass the ball to Martial or Lukaku, I go mental. It just has to be all about him.Not world class and not going to be the catalyst for success.
So basically you lapped up to the fake drama created by the media you mean? Pogba's performances will always be under a magnifying glass due to his superstar status, price tag, marketability and all that shit, whether we like it or not. Doubt either Pogba or Mourinho give a shit if some Redknapp or Custis try to analyse everything either of them does or says.Mourinho discussed Pogba's 'poor' form in a press conference the other day. He's also talked a lot about midfield positions, further fuelling the debate.
The whole situation is iffy, for me. Sanchez comes in, Pogba (having been our best outfield player all season) is dragged off, dropped in the Premier League and subsequently dropped in our biggest game of the season.
I think it's drama for drama's sake and it's just a bit boring. Shaw, Martial, Mkhitaryan, Pogba... It seems there's always a problem with talented players in the squad who could otherwise be on the pitch and doing well.
It's interesting that independent statistic sites rate him as being significantly above the average, and your interpretation is that bias is driving a perception that he was anything other than average. Is it possible that there is bias found on the other side of your argument? Worth considering that he competed 5 dribbles today, more than anyone on the pitch. I don't think Herrera's done that all season.Herrera putting this type of performance would be called average, and people would say he needs a replacement. But apparently it's good enough for Pogba - best player we ever signed, best central midfielder in the world, future Ballon d'Or winner, etc.
It's more than media drama though, isn't it? Pogba's been dropped twice in three weeks - somewhat unfairly on the first occasion, I think.So basically you lapped up to the fake drama created by the media you mean? Pogba's performances will always be under a magnifying glass due to his superstar status, price tag, marketability and all that shit, whether we like it or not. Doubt either Pogba or Mourinho give a shit if some Redknapp or Custis try to analyse everything either of them does or says.
People love being paranoid as feck here though, not aiming this particularly at you, but we've had cases of 'why Martial doesn't smile', 'why doesn't Lukaku celebrate' and now 'Pogba's form has gone down ever since Sanchez joined'.
Matic, who I really like got 8.2 despite having really poor game, Valencia had absolutely terrible game and got 7.1, and to compare that with Lukaku who got 6.7. Pogba got 7.2. Do you think any of those ratings make any sense at all?It's interesting that independent statistic sites rate him as being significantly above the average, and your interpretation is that bias is driving a perception that he was anything other than average. Is it possible that there is bias found on the other side of your argument? Worth considering that he competed 5 dribbles today, more than anyone on the pitch. I don't think Herrera's done that all season.
I think that with Mou, apart from literally one or two players, there's always been this rotation if out of form stuff, Lukaku being the glaring exception. Martial, Rashford (who was deemed to be Mou's darling), Fellaini (another one), all got the hook when the time came. Conversely, players who were supposed to be goners under him have gotten their chance, vide Shaw, Jones, Martial who was apparently hated by him, and so on, and so forth. Mou shouldn't be exempt from criticism, sure, but there's much ado over nothing for me.It's more than media drama though, isn't it? Pogba's been dropped twice in three weeks - somewhat unfairly on the first occasion, I think.
I agree on the second paragraph. Body language experts are a killer.
People keep on saying this while clearly ignoring what actually happened in the game. Sanchez was the one making things happen in attack; he put in a beauty of a cross for Lukaku who skied it, and was the one that ran behind the Sevilla defense for the pass by Herrera.Was our best attacking player tonight without question and the only player who contributed anything significant in attack.
Isn't not necessarily a problem, especially if it's a three man midfield with two rather defensive minded players beside him. I thought he was decent, not good, but decent. Only so much you can do if you're running down the midfield and only Lukaku is upfront. Was the only player who could beat Sevilla's midfield pressing which was good to see.You might see a problem here though, Pogba is a midfielder, not a forward. He should be the one controlling the midfield so the attackers can shine. He showed more energy and effort running forward than backwards which is a problem from a midfielder.
Do I think Pogba played better than Lukaku? Absolutely. But more to the point I'm open to the idea that my incredibly faulty memory and terrible attention span leads to me having a bit of a skewed perception on things, and independent statistics with transparent methodologies do offer some insight that I can't. Do you think something different?Matic, who I really like got 8.2 despite having really poor game, Valencia had absolutely terrible game and got 7.1, and to compare that with Lukaku who got 6.7. Pogba got 7.2. Do you think any of those ratings make any sense at all?
