Wales and Scotland both have some devolved powers to manage the NHS.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Wales and Scotland both have some devolved powers to manage the NHS.
I'd be shocked if it was. No chance, in my opinion. Not the way it is now, but with some measures and some loosened, quite possibly.
I’m sure based on the same data that has France giving nicotine patches to HCWs. Did you even read the link that @balaks posted?
I have no idea how many daily cannabis smokers are sick. I haven’t seen any data. Please do share whatever you’ve seen.
I used to be a heavy weed smoker man, and I have never met one in my life who had healthy lungs. Nicotine is shit, we all know that, but inhaling exhaust-pipe levels of ANY kind of smoke into your fecking lungs is NOT healthy despite what the most ardent of stoners will bleat on about. It's certainly not as bad as smoking cigs, but you know what's better again for your lungs and health? Not smoking at all. At a push, I would entertain the idea that smokers and weed smokers might not be as susceptible due to having damaged lungs that the virus struggles to get a grip on. If that's considered protection, then yeah maybe they are protected.
100% agree. And I am also an ex smoker (weed and fags). The smoking protection thing is interesting because there is evidence that smokers are getting much less sick than you would expect, based on their inevitably shitty lungs.
The theory is that nicotine causes you to express less of the ACE receptors in your airways that SARS-CoV2 binds to. It’s all very theoretical though.
Pretty sure most stoners simply say that pot is safer than tobacco, but it obviously doesn't improve your health or somnething, unless they were using it for pain relief or some other medical purpose. Even vaping isn't that great for your lungs, it' s just a bit easier on them than combustion.
If I was particularly blitzed I could come up with a hypothesis that there’s a unicorn living in my garden shed but it takes real data to make that hypothesis anything other than a stoner fantasy.
You’d be surprised. There’s a lot of stoners out there who literally think smoking weed cures cancer. And most other ailments you can think of. Looks like we might have one of them in this thread!
I thought it was the tar and chemicals from cigarettes and smoking that protected the lungs or some shit from the virus rather than nicotine.
Been so bored that I'm hoping the government might just legalise stuff anyway.
Been so bored that I'm hoping the government might just legalise stuff anyway.
I have noticed that you say 'man' a lot. Like, wow maaaan.
Part of the reason I never gotr into weed in California was because I quit smoking in 1998 and didn't want to start inhaling smoke of any kind again.
There is some evidence to suggest smokers are less likely to be hospitalised than non smokers.
The evidence in Italy suggests that if a smoker does get hospitalised, they're in trouble. The health authorities have said it more doubles the risk of requiring intensive care.
Maybe the smoking is damaging but the nicotene is protective.
Same here, cigs also.
I'm glad we're on the same page here - as a former stoner, one of things that really dries me out is 'people that love weed too much'. You know the types - the ones that can't have any kind of social conversation without bringing up how great weed is and how booze is shit, etc etc. The most boring people on the planet and some of them are downright deluded, as well.
The bolded is what I suspected but in much more technically sound terminology, haha.
Funny enough, when I was smoker I would find that sometimes my family would come down with coughs/colds and I'd be the only one who was relatively unaffected by it. I used to jokingly say it was because my lungs were probably used to functioning below standard on a daily basis, haha.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's because smokers are more likely to die before they enter the corona danger zone
Wanna know why? Quick anecdote.
I'm from Wales, in the valleys, we say 'butt' at the end of every sentence, with the meaning being 'mate' or 'friend'.
I went to university in England and after a week or so, realised I had to replace 'butt' because it was causing issues whereby people thought my sentence was going to continue. I didn't want to adopt 'mate' because I didn't like the term at all and 18yr old me associated it with southern English (stupid viewpoint I know, now). So I went for man as my sort of habitual ending to a sentence.
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Yep this came a year too late for me if it proves to be the case.
I'm already thinking about which brand to start smoking again. Do they still make Woodbines?
Lads and lasses, any update regarding Hendrik Streeck's study? Can the virus spread through surfaces?
I am not really sure where you got this from:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-oxford-university-human-trials-a9467061.html
I am aware that most experts think that 12-18 is more realistic than 6, I was just saying that it is incredibly arrogant to completely write off six saying given that some of the people actually working on it think that it can be done in that time. I am not holding my breath and expect it to be six, but, as long as any experts are claiming it is possible, I will be hoping for it.
To be honest even if smoking cigarettes protects you from the Virus, it’s probably still statistically safer to take your chances with healthy lungs than to have the lungs of a smoker over the course of your life. Let’s not forget, the vast majority of people have a minor illness. People treat Covid on here like it’s the Black Plague.
Do I wanna get it? No. Do I wanna damage my health in other ways just because I might get it? No also.
Do I wanna get it? No. Do I wanna damage my health in other ways just because I might get it? No also.
That’s a good theory but even the age adjusted rates seem to show smokers doing surprisingly well. From memory it was a bit of a mixed picture. Smokers less likely to die than non-smokers but more likely to end up in hospital. Or something like that. Could be the other way round! Either way, it was massively counter-intuitive because everyone expected smokers to be the worst affected by every metric.
In fact that was the main reason given for Chinese men doing worse than Chinese women. Higher incidence of smoking in Chinese men. Turns out that wasn’t true at all. The latest theory for men doing worse than women is that the virus hides from our immune system by hunkering down in our balls. Seriously. Sneaky little bastard.
feck right off
does that mean if you have comically gigantic balls you'll get more corona?
Yep, I was not sure. In any case, they seem to be 6 weeks behind Moderna, and a few weeks behind some other companies who are doing testing for a while now.
Nothing to suggest that somehow they will leapfrog the others, especially considering that for most part now it is going to be just testing, and I expect the testing to last more or less the same for every vaccine.
Fake news just in, doctors advise multiple testicle clearouts a day to rid yourself of coronavirus.
I could be completely wrong but I think it's down to the devolution powers of the Scottish and Welsh governments.
Don't take me too seriously.
I'm kinda half joking with the cannabis hypothesis, but just like with tobacco and nicotine, it is certainly possible something similar could happen with cannabis. My personal experience would indicate there is something to it, because I know a lot of smokers, and I'm yet to know of anyone sick. Even though it's probably just coincidence, had to mention it when I read that nicotine article.
The only two stoners I know of living in a covid-19 hotspot (Manhattan in this case), are my brother and his wife, and so far they are ok, thankfully. Im hoping it remains the case, whether by luck or by the mighty THC.
That sort of aligns with my hypothesis on why Germany has such good outcomes.
It’s a theory based on a single, small study. Generated a lot of newspaper headlines but probably a load of bollox (see what I did there?)
Which would mean chronic super-spreaders would also be chronic man-spreaders.
I'm a vaper, I haven't smoked cigarettes for years now. It would be nice to think nicotine did something other than keep me sane ....
That is correct.
His insiders blame England specific procurement legislation introduced by Cameron's government. As far as I can see some people argue the legislation was introduced to combat against large scale fraud in the sector whilst others argue it's a secret Tory plot to sell off the NHS piecemeal. Fair to say its a politically emotive subject.
My question would be if it is an England specific thing then why are only some hospitals/trusts badly affected, something he acknowledges in the thread. Obviously there will be many variables affecting this but the journalist doesn't explore any of them in anyway but focuses the insiders that blame the procurement issues.
I'm not saying that the insiders are wrong in what they say, only that if there are quite a few anomalies operating under the same rules then the specifics need to be looked at.
The difference I observed in college was that average pot smokers inhaled less actual puffs of smoke per day than the hardcore cigarette smokers would smoke per cigarette (bong hits of high THC California pot). I counted this back then and the heavy cigarette smokers (1 pack+/day) were inhaling more puffs of smoke in a single day than the average pot smokers would take in 3-4 weeks. Even assuming the smoke is equaling damaging, the cigarette smokers were inhaling exponentially more of it and far more regularly throughout the day.
Lots of pot smokers roll joints with tobacco so the argument isn't exactly apples vs oranges.
A lot of pot smokers don't filter though unlike pre-bought cigarettes and those filters really do take out a lot of the crap.
that's how every smoker i know started out
depends on the city from my experience. That wasn't really a thing in California, the land of the bong, whereas my NYC friends, would do that all the time. At least the people I knew, there was a huge amount of pot smokers that wouldn't ever smoke tobacco.