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She really doesn't help herself, does she.

She's backpeddling - went hard on team Boris the last few weeks and her sources (clearly people in downing st who are boris and carrie allies) largely dried up. ITV and Sky knew what were happening whilst the BBC were basically retweeting. She's probably trying to get her sources back on side.
 

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She really doesn't help herself, does she.

This narrative they're going for is such bollocks and shows absolute contempt (as if they haven't shown enough already).

Framing it as if this is another 'battle' he's going to win. It's his fecking fault. You don't murder someone and then go your trial claiming you'll come out fighting.

Absolute scum.
 

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She really doesn't help herself, does she.

The interesting thing is that she was going in hard on him when the rest of the right wing media were and now she’s fallen back into being a client journalist now they’ve all backed off him.
 

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BBC Balance and by balance i mean they reported the actual facts so now to balance that out they have to spin for No 10.
 

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The interesting thing is that she was going in hard on him when the rest of the right wing media were and now she’s fallen back into being a client journalist now they’ve all backed off him.
You think that suggests the report/met investigation will be a whitewash?
 

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So bellicose. Clearly thinks he has the votes to ride it out and beat any VNOC.
Yes, Boris has done his 'rope-a-dope' stint, now coming out swinging.

He knows he has got the votes, a lot of Tories will remember how he put a number of remainers to the sword after they wouldn't back his Brexit stance and he expelled them from the party, including Tory Grandees like Sir Nicholas Soames.
Maybe the Tory whips are skulking around Westminster telling and re-telling the horrible tales of the Macmillan 'night of the long-knives' and letting it be known Boris is in a similar mood.

All the external damage that can be done to Boris has been done now, Boris and his henchmen know it is now about 'stiffening the sinews and summoning up the blood' within the Tory party, nobody does internal discipline better than the Tories when power is at stake. Whatever comes out from Sue Gray, holding on to power is all any Tory MP will be thinking about.

Starmers not done too well out of this, he's not really built for the 'rough and tumble' is he... but Rayner is, she made Boris duck and dive a bit, better than her boss!
 

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This delaying of the report really adds to its credibility.
Sadly i think the delay is an attempt at making it drag on so long that when it's finally released it doesn't really live up to the hype/wait.

I mean for a start we didn't need this report, it's only telling us what we already know so it'll always seem like a damp squib.
 

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Sue Gray’s report being ”independent” has always been a joke as has been pointed out many times. She reports to Johnson.

Johnson being in charge of the release of the report proves just that. If it was an independent report she would have published it herself and Johnson would have read it the same time as us.
Boris is probably just still making a few tweaks.
 

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The way this is shaping up, Boris will be given a strong scolding but will carry on. It will be up to voters to punish him or not.
 

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Yes, Boris has done his 'rope-a-dope' stint, now coming out swinging.

He knows he has got the votes, a lot of Tories will remember how he put a number of remainers to the sword after they wouldn't back his Brexit stance and he expelled them from the party, including Tory Grandees like Sir Nicholas Soames.
Maybe the Tory whips are skulking around Westminster telling and re-telling the horrible tales of the Macmillan 'night of the long-knives' and letting it be known Boris is in a similar mood.

All the external damage that can be done to Boris has been done now, Boris and his henchmen know it is now about 'stiffening the sinews and summoning up the blood' within the Tory party, nobody does internal discipline better than the Tories when power is at stake. Whatever comes out from Sue Gray, holding on to power is all any Tory MP will be thinking about.

Starmers not done too well out of this, he's not really built for the 'rough and tumble' is he... but Rayner is, she made Boris duck and dive a bit, better than her boss!
Couple of points.
Nobody does knifing their leader in the back like the Tories, when they fear for their seats and the possibility of a Labour government.

And while I do agree that Starmer is not really suited to the rough and tumble, he is demonstrating the difference between Boris behaviour and his more understated, trustworthy and straight manner.
Quite honestly, I am not a fan of Rayner, who comes across as too abrasive and a bit too negative.
 

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Longer this report doesn't come out the easier it will be for him to ride it out. He will want this report to come out after days or weeks even of opposition parties making the issue of the parties the most common talking point so in the event the report is not the smoking gun then he will go around saying "while they all played politics and made a mountain of a molehill, we have focused on the real issues at hand" etc. It's an open goal if it happens which is why it is probably a better idea for Labour leadership to not make it exclusively their talking point for now.
 

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LIZ TRUSS FLEW BY PRIVATE JET TO AUSTRALIA AT COST OF £500,000 TO TAXPAYERS

https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...ss-australia-private-jet-flight-b2001692.html

Would have been money well spent if she'd have fecking stayed there.
What is £500,000 when our hard working government is accused of wasting countless billions of our money on the failed test, track and trace system as well as government loans during the covid pandemic.
I am sure that she will state that she is 'entitled' to use this flight.
 

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Couple of points.
Nobody does knifing their leader in the back like the Tories, when they fear for their seats and the possibility of a Labour government.

And while I do agree that Starmer is not really suited to the rough and tumble, he is demonstrating the difference between Boris behaviour and his more understated, trustworthy and straight manner.
Quite honestly, I am not a fan of Rayner, who comes across as too abrasive and a bit too negative.
Starmer and trustworthy in the same sentence :lol:

All these things are relative I suppose, maybe his lies don't even really register on the scale of modern politics.
 

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This fundamentally comes back to the frequent phrase of Labour 'losing the working class'. Labour won the lowest income brackets as usual while the Conservatives won the highest income brackets as usual. By definition if class is determined by income that phrase doesn't hold firm.

The reason why it gets repeated all the time though is public perception of working class remains embedded in old imagery of people in small mostly rural areas who never went to university and worked instead in blue-collar trades. Those people are primarily older hence the massive gulf in how young people were polled vs old people in that study. And those people have savings, pensions and through decades of work have homes. Those are the people Labour lost. The people whose aspirations took them into the middle class but who maintain their origins of being working class.
Yeah I'd agree with all of that.
 

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The Prime Minister has shown sincere regret. And surely his stellar achievements – vanquishing Jeremy Corbyn, getting Brexit done, delivering the vaccine and ensuring the UK is the first major country to regain our freedoms – have more than earned him a second chance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ueprint-Prime-Ministers-best-escape-plan.html
Are they serious?

How come they are saying he delivered the vaccine when we all know it was Trump that delivered for us.
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60166997
The Met Police has asked an internal inquiry into alleged lockdown parties at No 10 to make "minimal reference" to any events it is investigating.
The force launched its own investigation after it was passed information by a Cabinet Office inquiry led by senior civil servant Sue Gray.
The Met said it had been in contact with Sue Gray's team to "avoid any prejudice to our investigation".
But the force said it has not asked for publication to be delayed.
In a statement on Friday, it added it had not asked for "any limitations" on what Ms Gray says about gatherings that are not being investigated by its officers.
 

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Crazy how as soon as an independent inquiry is due, the met decide to launch an "investigation".
 

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Job accomplished . Delay as long as possible till it all dies down and people move on if they haven't already
 

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This is genuinely a bigger scandal than the scandals for me. After not getting involved and saying they’d wait for the report they decide mysteriously to get involved last second and tell her to not reference any parties under investigation - how the feck would that prejudice anything? There’s no jury trial here. And they were happy before to decide if they should investigate after the report based on what it alleges. The Met police are being used as a political football to keep a PM in power. It’s a fecking disgrace.
 

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To be fair if they are looking at offences of misconduct in public office or the blackmail/threat reports then it isn’t confined to the Covid Legislation at all (and simply a matter of fines) it could be very much a criminal case and therefore quite possible of being impacted by the prejudicial issues of releasing evidence to the public.

Chances of that seem lower than a percentile though - a very bad look for the MET so far.

Have the Met confirmed exactly what offences they are investigating?
 

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Crazy how as soon as an independent inquiry is due, the met decide to launch an "investigation".
Yes, if the Met had investigated last time there was a call for them to do so, it would have been harmful to their Boss - this time its in his favour so they’re going to investigate. So obvious what’s going on.
 

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So that's why Boris came out saying it'd be the full report, he knew it was about to be butchered anyway.

Of course we'll get feck all detail from the Met Investigation as it'll be a 'private matter'. Let's hope there's a leak or else we'll just wait for the FOI requests and find out in a year or two after they challenge those two.


So fecking corrupt.