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Still in of our 11 best players, even on a bad day.
I would be putting him back at 10. Mata definitely isn't the answer there, or in a proper midfield three. He should never have been taken off. Bastian was starting to flag. Bring Michael and Morgan on, move Ander up front in place of Mata. Would have secured the midfield and Ander can grab you a goal.Still in of our 11 best players, even on a bad day.
Yes. Definitely one of our 11 best players. Agreed.Still in of our 11 best players, even on a bad day.
Definitely. People wanted to know how Juan would perform there, now we know. Juan was not very good against Liverpool, so he is off form atm.Looks better at #10 than Mata.
We know based off one game where a freak injury ended up changing the game? We've a far larger sample size of that from Mata's playing career outside of United.Definitely. People wanted to know how Juan would perform there, now we know. Juan was not very good against Liverpool, so he is off form atm.
Play him as an a/m it's for me the obv choice and in a 2 with someone like scheiderlin. Facing the opposition goal as the 3rd man he's got a lot to offer, energy, workrate and an ability to link up, run in to channels, get in to the box and finish. Push him up to number ten where he's expected to hold of defenders isn't his strength whilst he's shown some nice touches. Fabregas, mata, Silva, Iniesta etc are all the same. They want to be closer to the midfield than the striker as they're away from the centrebacks and can often get in behind the midfield.The curious case of Ander Herrera, he'll work hard no matter where you play him but in this formation he just doesn't feel like a natural fit in the double pivot or as a #10, but certainly better at the latter IMO.
Bit of a contradiction there, no? If he was off form anyway then a poor performance today hardly proves he can't play #10. Especially when some of the elements of his game that deserted him today have nothing to do with the position he was in.Definitely. People wanted to know how Juan would perform there, now we know. Juan was not very good against Liverpool, so he is off form atm.
Yep it is. My head isn't straight tonight at all. Just hearing more about Luke has upset me more. I hope we hammer them when they come to OT.Bit of a contradiction there, no? If he was off form anyway then a poor performance today hardly proves he can't play #10. Especially when some of the elements of his game that deserted him today have nothing to do with the position he was in.
I mean Herrera had even more of a nightmare playing in midfield a few weeks ago but that doesn't mean he can't play in midfield. In fact I still think playing as a b2b midfielder is his best position....
This. Its a pity that in our current setup we don't have room for an out and out B2B. Herrera can do a job as a deep CM or an attacking 10, but these are not his natural roles to meBit of a contradiction there, no? If he was off form anyway then a poor performance today hardly proves he can't play #10. Especially when some of the elements of his game that deserted him today have nothing to do with the position he was in.
I mean Herrera had even more of a nightmare playing in midfield a few weeks ago but that doesn't mean he can't play in midfield. In fact I still think playing as a b2b midfielder is his best position....
I agree, he needs to be closer to the midfield than the forwards, the inverted triangle in 4-3-3 is the system that suits his skill set most, but now we aren't using it I feel he's not having the same impact and will need to up his performance in the double pivot to get game time as Rooney is going to get the #10 role IMO.Play him as an a/m it's for me the obv choice and in a 2 with someone like scheiderlin. Facing the opposition goal as the 3rd man he's got a lot to offer, energy, workrate and an ability to link up, run in to channels, get in to the box and finish. Push him up to number ten where he's expected to hold of defenders isn't his strength whilst he's shown some nice touches. Fabregas, mata, Silva, Iniesta etc are all the same. They want to be closer to the midfield than the striker as they're away from the centrebacks and can often get in behind the midfield.
Yeah, I just don't get the obsession with LVG with playing effectively a second striker there when his players suit a slightly deeper role. I can see Rooney dropping deeper as well. Don't think it's the best idea personally as Rooney as a number 10 and it's the same issue with Fellaini in some ways, is that what they want to do doesn't suit what our wide players, mata/depay want to do. Rooney will shift it wide and then get in the box but mata/depay don't want to be pinned wide. Where as herrera will actually link up with them in that position. You can still end up with the same number of players in the box but we can work Depay/mata in to areas they are best suited too.I agree, he needs to be closer to the midfield than the forwards, the inverted triangle in 4-3-3 is the system that suits his skill set most, but now we aren't using it I feel he's not having the same impact and will need to up his performance in the double pivot to get game time as Rooney is going to get the #10 role IMO.
he indeed was very good there last year.I'd play him as a right attacking midfielder. That is when he was at his best last season
I think it all comes down purely to goals, if our front 3 were prolific I reckon he'd probably stick with the inverted midfield 3 as opposed to a second striker/#10 system. The thing I feel he's missing in this is both Herrera and Fellaini were bigger goal threats last season playing deeper. Of course another issue may be that he feels Schweinsteiger suits a double pivot better than the inverted midfield 3 system.Yeah, I just don't get the obsession with LVG with playing effectively a second striker there when his players suit a slightly deeper role. I can see Rooney dropping deeper as well. Don't think it's the best idea personally as Rooney as a number 10 and it's the same issue with Fellaini in some ways, is that what they want to do doesn't suit what our wide players, mata/depay want to do. Rooney will shift it wide and then get in the box but mata/depay don't want to be pinned wide. Where as herrera will actually link up with them in that position. You can still end up with the same number of players in the box but we can work Depay/mata in to areas they are best suited too.
he indeed was very good there last year.
for my 2 p, i'd like to line united up like this when people are healthy:
---rooney - martial
de pay - mata - herrera
----schweinsteiger - schneiderlin
shaw - blind - smalling - darmian
--------- de gea
but of course, that'd result in us having 12 players and you just KNOW that teams like liverpool would complain about that.
You could argue that Rooney and Mata add up to about 1 in their current form...he indeed was very good there last year.
for my 2 p, i'd like to line united up like this when people are healthy:
---rooney - martial
de pay - mata - herrera
----schweinsteiger - schneiderlin
shaw - blind - smalling - darmian
--------- de gea
but of course, that'd result in us having 12 players and you just KNOW that teams like liverpool would complain about that.
Of course he does. I would have taken Rooney off for him. LvG decided to let Paddy have some time which is good for him. Ander will play during the week, so can get time then. Bet Rooney bloody plays up front so no matter what balls they put through he will either deflect them into the stands or can't get on the end of them. Sigh.He needs to start.
I would have done the same. Rooney was shit and Herrera could have helped in the middle and brought the ball forward much quicker to feed our attacking playersOf course he does. I would have taken Rooney off for him. LvG decided to let Paddy have some time which is good for him. Ander will play during the week, so can get time then. Bet Rooney bloody plays up front so no matter what balls they put through he will either deflect them into the stands or can't get on the end of them. Sigh.