They were pretty shite before they announced Pep, infact they were utter shite last season and all.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Zlatan hates pep
Mourinho hates pep
United hate city.
Match made in heaven.
Mourinho hates pep
United hate city.
Match made in heaven.
Cleverley's team is not even mid table. Even Everton fans want him gone.
Ibra loves Mourinho.
Mourinho loves united.Ibra loves Mourinho.
Schweinsteiger has been awful all season. Yes i would. Hes trading on his name alone. Cleverley was united through and through. Would have fought more, lasted 90 minutes and probably would have done well in a possession based team, considering his strength was always link up play.
Yeah, but their form hit a serious downward spiral after the announcement.
I think you can. I think we all can.
Who has not been awful all season other than De Gea, Martial, and Smalling ? Also, hasn't Schweinsteiger been injured for a good chunk of his time here ?
Cleverley was clearly not good enough to play here which is why he was moved on. And by good enough, I don't mean compared to any of our current midfielders, but rather compared with the calibre of players we should be buying.
Just imagine Ibrah scoring the winner against City and Mourinho going mental on the touchline.
If Cleverley was here his form would have been affected by Van Gaal's 'philosophy' like everyone else's. Besides Falcao, virtually every player Van Gaal has sold has had an up tick in form at their new club. There are only so many times we can see this and not think Van Gaal is the problem.
Our squad is full of internationals, struggling for third loser and going out of the European Cup with a whimer is not a true reflection of its ability. Van Gaal has shown the ability to destroy even players he bought and previously managed e.g. Memphis and Van Persie. The sooner we get shot of Mr 'Process' the better.
It's the hope that kills us... I've said for months that Zlatan could have a huge positive effect on the team, and with Mourinho this would be amplified.
I can't bear even thinking of another season with LVG. If we let Jose go, serious questions need to be asked of the board.
My heart says that Mourinho's silence about things says all we need to know and the deal has been done for a long time... But my head tells me that until it's announced Ed could mess it up.
Difficult times, and I'm not letting myself dream quite yet
As I've always been a huge fan of both, this would easily be one of the best moments of my footballing life. Just incredible.
Most rational united fans want basti
Don't really disagree but i'd sooner have a united fan whos not good enough than a player after one last paycheck whos not good enough playing for us. Just my opinion.
You're make assumptions about me and my opinions based on absolutly nothing at all. There's therefore little point in engaging in any real debate with you.
If you're happy with Van Gaal and what we've been served up this year then good for you. I'm not, and I very much believe most fans aren't either.
If "nitpicking" is expecting a vastly experienced manager, with £200 million to spend, to produce a safe top 4 finish and moderately entertaining football over a season then I must be doing that.
Your post I responded to was basically "it was crap for a while under Fergie" - which even if it was true doesn't justify it all in my opinion.
I've been watching United for a long time and have seen a lot of football. In my opinion I've seen us play some of the most tumescent football I've ever seen and a persistence to stick with systems than don't work. A moderate improvement - largely driven by the brave play of young players isn't, in my opinion, enough to save his job of for me to see his time heras anything other than a failure.
The fact they featured so heavily highlights the limits Fergie had on his spending.
I suspect if he'd had the money Moyes and Van Gaal have had to spend I suspect we'd have had a better squad now.
Yeah me too. Although i also wonder whether he wasn't prepared to pay the foing rate.
Probably a bit of both. He'd have been loath to pay extortionate fees but pragmatic enough to know when it was necessary to do so.
United loves Mourinho!
Love for ever!
Maybe. I personally think the "no value in the market" talk was because he knew the funds wouldn't be allowed the funds he needed to get the quality he wanted. After all, he was never scared of spending big money before and RVP offered short term gain over long term value.
All hypothetical I suppose. I personally suspect we may be short on depth but within or two more established players on board.
Are we forgetting the donkey abuse Cleverley is taking on the Everton fan forums as recently as yesterday? If Cleverley is the answer, I don't want to know the question.
I don't think Bastian has been horrible or something. He does help to solidify the midfield at times. For instance in the FA cup game back west ham we were horrible till he came on and dominated midfield. Obviously he isn't the prime basti which I don't think anyone expected him to be. And we got him for £6m. Not like we had to spend a lot either.
What would be the most sensible strategy now?
Announce VG will be retiring after the FA Cup final once we know we can't get top 4? Ie Monday, giving a nice build up to the final.
Or do it after? Only a week more to wait.
Would the news create more pressure before the final or not?
Announce VG will be retiring after the FA Cup final once we know we can't get top 4? Ie Monday, giving a nice build up to the final.
Or do it after? Only a week more to wait.
Would the news create more pressure before the final or not?
It was a gamble worth taking, and we were clearly harder to beat with him in the team. Bet the stats for games he played the majority of and us losing were quite low. Although clearly from about Feb on he's been out!
What didn't help, was playing another deep player with him, meaning with little threat from the full backs, as well as the centre mids, we were making a huge ask on the front 4, which featured a massively off the pace Depay, a massively off form/way past best Rooney, one paced Mata, leaving Martial to be the sole threat on his own for a fair while.
... where the hell does this come from? if januzaj doesn't make it under mourinho, so be it. i'm a united fan first and a januzaj fan/martial fan/neville fan/keane fan/etc. second.
i would rather have mourinho here and lvg not, even if it means adnan never plays another minute for united and of course we're successful.
but anyway, thanks for the sly dig @Pexbo . i look forward to finding something equally trivial to "insult" you with in future.
The sensible move at this point for Woody is to ink the contract with Jose and not announce until after he has sacked LVG the day after the FA Cup final.
Any announcement before then would be ill-advised.
Any announcement before then would be ill-advised.
perhaps i was being slightly over the top, but my point stands. there is nothing to left to defend lvg over. nothing. he failed us as a manager, and side by side, he was only slightly better than moyes. hardly anything to get excited about, and hardly a reason to keep him on for a third season.
Basti was a gamble worth taking, 6m isn't much and at times he has actually played well. It's just that him playing is rare because he is pretty injury prone. That'd be fine if we had good midfield options or if we played some youth there but we don't for some reason because Fellaini, Schneiderlin, Rooney and Herrera have been playing VERY well there.
Bastien would be a totally different force under Mourinho. Managing old heads is basically his forte, whereas it's clearly LVG's biggest weakness, among many.
I'd keep Bastian around just for his winner's attitude.
True. But to be frank I think he plays better with someone like Schneiderlin because then he will take care of everything like controlling the tempo, passing except having to defend and it helps Morgan not to worry about anything other than cleaning up attacks. What I liked about schweinsteiger is that he seems to be everywhere. Sometimes even in the wings. Plays with a tenacity too. I think if managed well he can easily give us 3 years. Of course injury problems are a concern but if he can stay fit he can be a great leader to guys like fosu mensah and pereira.
That Arsenal away game was mad. No Schneiderlin, when you'd think that was the sort of game he was perfect and signed for, and Schweiny was chasing way up field.
We got absolutely tonked, and for a period it could have been anything, with 3-0 almost like we got away with it
We have to keep Bastian, especially if Carrick leaves.
You can't build a successful team without experience, SAF knew that even better than Mourinho. Average age of the eleven who started in Moscow in 2008: 28 years old.
You can't build a successful team without experience, SAF knew that even better than Mourinho. Average age of the eleven who started in Moscow in 2008: 28 years old.
I think this deal will be announced after sunday and before the cup final.
It'd be more dignified for van gaal to be able to say goodbye with a cup win, it's much better than him getting the news afterwards.
It'd be more dignified for van gaal to be able to say goodbye with a cup win, it's much better than him getting the news afterwards.
Been away for a few hours. Any updates? Have the press gone all in?
Nothing whatsoever.
'Matter of hours' my ring.
fecking Italy. Lying shits. Stick to fascism, you shit-stirring botters.
as if we're gonna announce it before the cup final.. show some chill
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